Gaza War, Part 3

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Well of course fringe right wingers in the US and Israel are going to be upset by Schumer's speech. But the rest of the world wants Israel to stop dumb-bombing Palestinians (taking out hamas is fine) and wants a two state solution to end the hostilities.

These people are against bombing Hamas too, just irritated that they have to pretend otherwise.
Hamas has a 'CNN strategy'(their phrase) which involves getting its children killed so they can play it on TV for gullible Western audiences.

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At a large pro-Palestinian student and faculty protest at Columbia University in New York City on Friday, two Zionists sprayed students with something resembling a chemical weapon called “Skunk.” Both individuals, who were wearing fake keffiyehs, have been identified as Columbia General Studies students and former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers.

The attack took place during an event—“Hands off Yemen and Gaza! No more tuition for the war machine”—that was organized by the Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) and Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) chapters at Columbia University outside the Low Library. Despite freezing temperatures and a systematic campaign of intimidation targeting opponents of the state policy of genocide in Gaza, the protest drew around 300 participants. ..

.. A Columbia student present at the protest told the World Socialist Web Site, “The people who did this were Columbia students who served in the IDF. This was premeditated and done with the aim to hurt students. Columbia needs to take immediate action. This behavior is unacceptable on a college campus.”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/01/22/lfsy-j22.html

Truth comes out. These “students” or really IDF thugs need their identity and address release to the public. Hopefully Columbia will expel these thugs and band anyone who is involved with the IDF. These people are terrorists. Could you imagine what would have happened if Palestinians had did this?

Give me a break. There is SO much dubious info in this article - starting with the site itself, "World Socialist Web Site" - a far left tankie propaganda rag.

And then it says PROTESTERS WERE ATTACKED!!!!1!!! - ehh sounds like someone used skunk spray, so what. The protesters in Lafayette Square suffered far worse treatment when Trump wanted to have his bible photo op.
And then it claims it was done by "two former IDF soldiers" - ehh unnamed suspects, and with no source of this alleged info... and given that all Israelis are, unless specifically exempted, are required to serve that means most adult Israelis are "former IDF soldiers" making that label pretty meaningless in context even if it turned out to be true.
And then it says "wearing fake keffiyehs" - uhhhhwhat? There's no such thing as a "fake keffiyeh" - a keffiyeh is a keffiyeh, they are cheap and readily available and anyone can buy and wear one..
... and so on... That article is a total joke.

The attack cannot be trivialized. If you don't like WSWS, there are plenty of other sources that report the same information. The "fake keffiyehs" means the IDF students slyly used a disguise to get close to the targeted students. "Skunk" doesn't just smell bad; it is a chemical weapon that can make people sick. Several students had to go to the hospital, and some complained of long-lasting effects. Obviously, violence of this sort is unacceptable, and the aggressors need to be disciplined. Two of the culprits have been identified as former IDF soldiers who are taking General Studies classes.

Sorry, but that didn't substantively change anything relative to my prior rebuttal of the WSWS article. Don't bother trying again.

So you'd be perfectly happy if former Palestinian militants wearing yarmulkes sprayed you with a chemical weapon that sent you to the hospital with vomiting, skin rashes, temporary blindness, a terrible headache, and difficulty breathing? You'd be a good sport about the whole thing and deny being attacked? You'd grin and bear it because protestors were treated worse at Lafayette Square? There wouldn't be a squeak out of you about antisemitic violence? OK. Would you mind if I sprayed you with skunk to see how this works out? Thanks. It'll be an interesting experiment.

The article
- provides no concrete proof of who the people involved were, much less that they were "former IDF soldiers" or that they had "disguised themselves with fake keffiyehs"
- provides no concrete proof of the events as claimed
- provides no concrete proof of the alleged chemical weapon or its impacts

And again, the source is extremely questionable.

So your entire crap conclusion about "so you'd be perfectly happy if..." is not even on sound footing to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Noticing that the pro-Palestine side of this thread seems to drop to complete silence for hours and hours on end. Followed by a rapid succession of posts scrambling to try and "reassert dominance" - classic

[Anonymous]

IDF are murderers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Noticing that the pro-Palestine side of this thread seems to drop to complete silence for hours and hours on end. Followed by a rapid succession of posts scrambling to try and "reassert dominance" - classic

I think this thread is stating to die out. At this point, everything that people wanted to say has been said and then some.

We are all just waiting for the ceasefire to finally come to fruition if it even comes .

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At a large pro-Palestinian student and faculty protest at Columbia University in New York City on Friday, two Zionists sprayed students with something resembling a chemical weapon called “Skunk.” Both individuals, who were wearing fake keffiyehs, have been identified as Columbia General Studies students and former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers.

The attack took place during an event—“Hands off Yemen and Gaza! No more tuition for the war machine”—that was organized by the Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) and Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) chapters at Columbia University outside the Low Library. Despite freezing temperatures and a systematic campaign of intimidation targeting opponents of the state policy of genocide in Gaza, the protest drew around 300 participants. ..

.. A Columbia student present at the protest told the World Socialist Web Site, “The people who did this were Columbia students who served in the IDF. This was premeditated and done with the aim to hurt students. Columbia needs to take immediate action. This behavior is unacceptable on a college campus.”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/01/22/lfsy-j22.html

Truth comes out. These “students” or really IDF thugs need their identity and address release to the public. Hopefully Columbia will expel these thugs and band anyone who is involved with the IDF. These people are terrorists. Could you imagine what would have happened if Palestinians had did this?

Give me a break. There is SO much dubious info in this article - starting with the site itself, "World Socialist Web Site" - a far left tankie propaganda rag.

And then it says PROTESTERS WERE ATTACKED!!!!1!!! - ehh sounds like someone used skunk spray, so what. The protesters in Lafayette Square suffered far worse treatment when Trump wanted to have his bible photo op.
And then it claims it was done by "two former IDF soldiers" - ehh unnamed suspects, and with no source of this alleged info... and given that all Israelis are, unless specifically exempted, are required to serve that means most adult Israelis are "former IDF soldiers" making that label pretty meaningless in context even if it turned out to be true.
And then it says "wearing fake keffiyehs" - uhhhhwhat? There's no such thing as a "fake keffiyeh" - a keffiyeh is a keffiyeh, they are cheap and readily available and anyone can buy and wear one..
... and so on... That article is a total joke.

The attack cannot be trivialized. If you don't like WSWS, there are plenty of other sources that report the same information. The "fake keffiyehs" means the IDF students slyly used a disguise to get close to the targeted students. "Skunk" doesn't just smell bad; it is a chemical weapon that can make people sick. Several students had to go to the hospital, and some complained of long-lasting effects. Obviously, violence of this sort is unacceptable, and the aggressors need to be disciplined. Two of the culprits have been identified as former IDF soldiers who are taking General Studies classes.

Sorry, but that didn't substantively change anything relative to my prior rebuttal of the WSWS article. Don't bother trying again.

So you'd be perfectly happy if former Palestinian militants wearing yarmulkes sprayed you with a chemical weapon that sent you to the hospital with vomiting, skin rashes, temporary blindness, a terrible headache, and difficulty breathing? You'd be a good sport about the whole thing and deny being attacked? You'd grin and bear it because protestors were treated worse at Lafayette Square? There wouldn't be a squeak out of you about antisemitic violence? OK. Would you mind if I sprayed you with skunk to see how this works out? Thanks. It'll be an interesting experiment.

The article
- provides no concrete proof of who the people involved were, much less that they were "former IDF soldiers" or that they had "disguised themselves with fake keffiyehs"
- provides no concrete proof of the events as claimed
- provides no concrete proof of the alleged chemical weapon or its impacts

And again, the source is extremely questionable.

So your entire crap conclusion about "so you'd be perfectly happy if..." is not even on sound footing to begin with.

That’s because the Israeli students were never arrested. That’s why we don’t know their identity. NYPD is practically a sister organization with the IdF . Special privileges for Israeli dual citizens in particular. These guys even stink bombed Jews. It’s considered a chemical weapon BtW

[Anonymous]

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What does using a weapon following international law mean? They will use a 1,000 pound bomb instead of a 10,000 pound bomb?

[Anonymous]

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Nobody trusts Israeli assurances! Basically like an assurance from Putin at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:IDF are murderers.

Hamas are murderers and terrorists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a disgusting day in American history. When an anti-Semite stands in the US Senate and questions the ability of Israelis to democratically elect their own leaders, it’s a sad day. When the same anti-Semite calls for regime change in the single Jewish Country in the world, and instead of immediate condemnation, the increasingly radical Democratic base cheers him on.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/14/israel-elections-netanyahu-charles-schumer/

As a Jew, I am highly critical of Bebe. But anti-Semite Schumer just guaranteed I never vote for another politician with a (D) behind their name again. The (D) might as well stand for Hamas at this point.

Netanyahu is the one who stands for Hamas. Isn’t he the anti Semite? He’s the one who ignored Hamas for years, and ignored the multiple warnings about 10/7 ?

Most of Israel agrees with Schumer and wants him gone . This is a guy who was facing corruption charges /jail time even before 10/7 for unrelated matters . Is Netanyahu really the guy people want to rally around? He had enough time as PM in Israel and it was a failure. He let Hamas grow to beyond wealthy and reasonable capacity to even find or fight , and he alienated the biggest Israel ally; the United States .

[Anonymous]

I expect the CEASEFIRE NOW crowd to be as guardedly hopeful about this as I am

ha ha ha I am just kidding, of course they aren't - they don't actually want a ceasefire, now or ever. they want forever war.

well i don't. i agree with what schumer said yesterday, and i hope that israel and hamas can negotiate some peace.

[Anonymous]

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This changes nothing. Israel will say we bombed a “Hamas command center” that was set up in a hospital, an apartment building, UNWRA, a crowd of starving people trying to get food, etc. The IDF tells all civilians to leave without providing away out or enough time to leave then kill them all. This allows the IDF to claim all civilians in the area are combatants. The US signs off on this and stops all UN actions. This is Biden giving Israel the green light to continue the genocide.

When is Biden going to force Israel to remove all the settlements? Over 10% of Jews living in Israel now live in the West Bank and that number is growing at about 10% a year. AIPAC and other organizations in the US openly support settlements and organize funding of the settlements movement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Noticing that the pro-Palestine side of this thread seems to drop to complete silence for hours and hours on end. Followed by a rapid succession of posts scrambling to try and "reassert dominance" - classic

This seems like the pattern you Israelis follow. The one or two people who keep this thread going.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Noticing that the pro-Palestine side of this thread seems to drop to complete silence for hours and hours on end. Followed by a rapid succession of posts scrambling to try and "reassert dominance" - classic

This seems like the pattern you Israelis follow. The one or two people who keep this thread going.

We're not Israeli but it's refreshing to hear someone like you be upfront that you conflate Jews and Israelis - helpful to bear in mind when you're spewing hate aginst Israel and Israelis