Official TJ Admissions Decisions Results for the Class of 2025

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“If my kids don't stack up against high-achieving Asian students, then they don't deserve spots at a school like TJ. I object to processes that water down the standards in an effort to increase URMs and decrease Asian students.” FTFY

Perhaps but buying the test answers isn't the same thing as high achieving let's be clear about it.

Look at pictures of the TJ students of the clubs or science / Math / Tech competitions, 95% Asians (prepped).

I'm sure TJ doesn't buy the tests of the competitions

What is your point? That Asians care more about prestige and awards in STEM? This is hardly breaking news.

Asians are academically shallow and motivated purely by prestige, while you're a voice of racial empathy and enlightenment? Got it.

I.... didn't say that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“If my kids don't stack up against high-achieving Asian students, then they don't deserve spots at a school like TJ. I object to processes that water down the standards in an effort to increase URMs and decrease Asian students.” FTFY

Perhaps but buying the test answers isn't the same thing as high achieving let's be clear about it.

Look at pictures of the TJ students of the clubs or science / Math / Tech competitions, 95% Asians (prepped).

I'm sure TJ doesn't buy the tests of the competitions

What is your point? That Asians care more about prestige and awards in STEM? This is hardly breaking news.

Asians are academically shallow and motivated purely by prestige, while you're a voice of racial empathy and enlightenment? Got it.

I.... didn't say that.

Are you sure?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“If my kids don't stack up against high-achieving Asian students, then they don't deserve spots at a school like TJ. I object to processes that water down the standards in an effort to increase URMs and decrease Asian students.” FTFY

Perhaps but buying the test answers isn't the same thing as high achieving let's be clear about it.

Look at pictures of the TJ students of the clubs or science / Math / Tech competitions, 95% Asians (prepped).

I'm sure TJ doesn't buy the tests of the competitions

What is your point? That Asians care more about prestige and awards in STEM? This is hardly breaking news.

Asians are academically shallow and motivated purely by prestige, while you're a voice of racial empathy and enlightenment? Got it.

I.... didn't say that.

Are you sure?

Yes. The comment that I replied to indicated that Asians comprise most of the TJ students in competition clubs. I then compared their interest in those competitions, and in academic prestige in general, with individuals who belong to other racial cohorts.

That doesn't mean that the prestige is the ONLY thing they care about - only that they care about it MORE than families in those other cohorts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“If my kids don't stack up against high-achieving Asian students, then they don't deserve spots at a school like TJ. I object to processes that water down the standards in an effort to increase URMs and decrease Asian students.” FTFY

Perhaps but buying the test answers isn't the same thing as high achieving let's be clear about it.

Look at pictures of the TJ students of the clubs or science / Math / Tech competitions, 95% Asians (prepped).

I'm sure TJ doesn't buy the tests of the competitions

What is your point? That Asians care more about prestige and awards in STEM? This is hardly breaking news.

Asians are academically shallow and motivated purely by prestige, while you're a voice of racial empathy and enlightenment? Got it.

I.... didn't say that.

Are you sure?

Yes. The comment that I replied to indicated that Asians comprise most of the TJ students in competition clubs. I then compared their interest in those competitions, and in academic prestige in general, with individuals who belong to other racial cohorts.

That doesn't mean that the prestige is the ONLY thing they care about - only that they care about it MORE than families in those other cohorts.

+1 - which is why they apply to TJ at vastly higher rates than other cohorts, and why that difference accelerated when US News and World Report started ranking high schools back in the late 00s. It's not an accident.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“If my kids don't stack up against high-achieving Asian students, then they don't deserve spots at a school like TJ. I object to processes that water down the standards in an effort to increase URMs and decrease Asian students.” FTFY

Perhaps but buying the test answers isn't the same thing as high achieving let's be clear about it.

Look at pictures of the TJ students of the clubs or science / Math / Tech competitions, 95% Asians (prepped).

I'm sure TJ doesn't buy the tests of the competitions

What is your point? That Asians care more about prestige and awards in STEM? This is hardly breaking news.

Asians are academically shallow and motivated purely by prestige, while you're a voice of racial empathy and enlightenment? Got it.

I.... didn't say that.

Are you sure?

Yes. The comment that I replied to indicated that Asians comprise most of the TJ students in competition clubs. I then compared their interest in those competitions, and in academic prestige in general, with individuals who belong to other racial cohorts.

That doesn't mean that the prestige is the ONLY thing they care about - only that they care about it MORE than families in those other cohorts.

Do you have any functional understanding of how stereotypes and discrimination work?

I mean without even getting into your basis for comparison

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“If my kids don't stack up against high-achieving Asian students, then they don't deserve spots at a school like TJ. I object to processes that water down the standards in an effort to increase URMs and decrease Asian students.” FTFY

Perhaps but buying the test answers isn't the same thing as high achieving let's be clear about it.

Look at pictures of the TJ students of the clubs or science / Math / Tech competitions, 95% Asians (prepped).

I'm sure TJ doesn't buy the tests of the competitions

What is your point? That Asians care more about prestige and awards in STEM? This is hardly breaking news.

Asians are academically shallow and motivated purely by prestige, while you're a voice of racial empathy and enlightenment? Got it.

I.... didn't say that.

Are you sure?

Yes. The comment that I replied to indicated that Asians comprise most of the TJ students in competition clubs. I then compared their interest in those competitions, and in academic prestige in general, with individuals who belong to other racial cohorts.

That doesn't mean that the prestige is the ONLY thing they care about - only that they care about it MORE than families in those other cohorts.

Do you have any functional understanding of how stereotypes and discrimination work?

I mean without even getting into your basis for comparison

The word "purely" is tripping you up there.

And my basis for comparison is 20+ years of experience in elite education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“If my kids don't stack up against high-achieving Asian students, then they don't deserve spots at a school like TJ. I object to processes that water down the standards in an effort to increase URMs and decrease Asian students.” FTFY

Perhaps but buying the test answers isn't the same thing as high achieving let's be clear about it.

Look at pictures of the TJ students of the clubs or science / Math / Tech competitions, 95% Asians (prepped).

I'm sure TJ doesn't buy the tests of the competitions

The point I think the poster is trying to make is that if the kids were undeserving, they wouldn't be selected for/winners in the clubs/tech competitions. An obvious point given the consistent performance over so long.

I would say just don't engage with ignorant, jealous haters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“If my kids don't stack up against high-achieving Asian students, then they don't deserve spots at a school like TJ. I object to processes that water down the standards in an effort to increase URMs and decrease Asian students.” FTFY

Perhaps but buying the test answers isn't the same thing as high achieving let's be clear about it.

Look at pictures of the TJ students of the clubs or science / Math / Tech competitions, 95% Asians (prepped).

I'm sure TJ doesn't buy the tests of the competitions

The point I think the poster is trying to make is that if the kids were undeserving, they wouldn't be selected for/winners in the clubs/tech competitions. An obvious point given the consistent performance over so long.

I would say just don't engage with ignorant, jealous haters.

I think a lot of people believe that the kids who win these competitions on a regular basis for TJ are the ones who are at risk of not getting into the school - and hundreds of parents believe their kids to be those kids because they won some first prize at some local competition somewhere. (You'll also get dopes who come on here pretending that their kid was a national level award winner who didn't get offered - take that nonsense with a grain of salt. Those kids got in.)

In reality, the ones who didn't get in with the new process are the ones who, once they got to TJ, would be back-benchers for things like Math Team and Model UN. Good news is, those kids will probably be at the front of the line at their base schools. They'll still lose to TJ, but they'll be able to say that they competed in the major competitions and were their school's representatives, which will look better for their college applications than serving as a back-bencher at TJ.

[Anonymous]

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I think a lot of people believe that the kids who win these competitions on a regular basis for TJ are the ones who are at risk of not getting into the school - and hundreds of parents believe their kids to be those kids because they won some first prize at some local competition somewhere. (You'll also get dopes who come on here pretending that their kid was a national level award winner who didn't get offered - take that nonsense with a grain of salt. Those kids got in.)

I've asked this numerous times, and the people on your side keep dodging the question. Exactly how are they identifying the academic superstars from just middle school GPA and one essay? Many of the middle schools will have more than 1.5% of the honors/AAP kids receiving 4.0s. How can they tell the difference between somewhat above average kids and the truly elite ones? The current application process is too scant for the top notch kids to shine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“If my kids don't stack up against high-achieving Asian students, then they don't deserve spots at a school like TJ. I object to processes that water down the standards in an effort to increase URMs and decrease Asian students.” FTFY

Perhaps but buying the test answers isn't the same thing as high achieving let's be clear about it.

Look at pictures of the TJ students of the clubs or science / Math / Tech competitions, 95% Asians (prepped).

I'm sure TJ doesn't buy the tests of the competitions

What is your point? That Asians care more about prestige and awards in STEM? This is hardly breaking news.

Asians are academically shallow and motivated purely by prestige, while you're a voice of racial empathy and enlightenment? Got it.

I.... didn't say that.

Are you sure?

Yes. The comment that I replied to indicated that Asians comprise most of the TJ students in competition clubs. I then compared their interest in those competitions, and in academic prestige in general, with individuals who belong to other racial cohorts.

That doesn't mean that the prestige is the ONLY thing they care about - only that they care about it MORE than families in those other cohorts.

Do you have any functional understanding of how stereotypes and discrimination work?

I mean without even getting into your basis for comparison

The word "purely" is tripping you up there.

And my basis for comparison is 20+ years of experience in elite education.

I'd argue that the word "purely" is tripping you up, since someone who's more familiar with discrimination would be aware that making that distinction is a luxury that people in its headlights typically aren't afforded.

I think that you're "20+ years of experience" is giving you the hubris to make claims which sound much more data-driven than they are on topics which are classically elusive to measurement. For example, an enhanced "interest" in academic "prestige" may easily be explained by an unfair perception of academic superficiality. The point is, no possible data can back your point, and I'm sticking by the claim that what you said sounds bad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“If my kids don't stack up against high-achieving Asian students, then they don't deserve spots at a school like TJ. I object to processes that water down the standards in an effort to increase URMs and decrease Asian students.” FTFY

Perhaps but buying the test answers isn't the same thing as high achieving let's be clear about it.

Look at pictures of the TJ students of the clubs or science / Math / Tech competitions, 95% Asians (prepped).

I'm sure TJ doesn't buy the tests of the competitions

What is your point? That Asians care more about prestige and awards in STEM? This is hardly breaking news.

Asians are academically shallow and motivated purely by prestige, while you're a voice of racial empathy and enlightenment? Got it.

I.... didn't say that.

Are you sure?

Yes. The comment that I replied to indicated that Asians comprise most of the TJ students in competition clubs. I then compared their interest in those competitions, and in academic prestige in general, with individuals who belong to other racial cohorts.

That doesn't mean that the prestige is the ONLY thing they care about - only that they care about it MORE than families in those other cohorts.

Do you have any functional understanding of how stereotypes and discrimination work?

I mean without even getting into your basis for comparison

The word "purely" is tripping you up there.

And my basis for comparison is 20+ years of experience in elite education.

I'd argue that the word "purely" is tripping you up, since someone who's more familiar with discrimination would be aware that making that distinction is a luxury that people in its headlights typically aren't afforded.

I think that you're "20+ years of experience" is giving you the hubris to make claims which sound much more data-driven than they are on topics which are classically elusive to measurement. For example, an enhanced "interest" in academic "prestige" may easily be explained by an unfair perception of academic superficiality. The point is, no possible data can back your point, and I'm sticking by the claim that what you said sounds bad.

I'm the one that wrote this, and: yes, I did mean "your" not "you're." Argh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“If my kids don't stack up against high-achieving Asian students, then they don't deserve spots at a school like TJ. I object to processes that water down the standards in an effort to increase URMs and decrease Asian students.” FTFY

Perhaps but buying the test answers isn't the same thing as high achieving let's be clear about it.

Look at pictures of the TJ students of the clubs or science / Math / Tech competitions, 95% Asians (prepped).

I'm sure TJ doesn't buy the tests of the competitions

The point I think the poster is trying to make is that if the kids were undeserving, they wouldn't be selected for/winners in the clubs/tech competitions. An obvious point given the consistent performance over so long.

I would say just don't engage with ignorant, jealous haters.

I think a lot of people believe that the kids who win these competitions on a regular basis for TJ are the ones who are at risk of not getting into the school - and hundreds of parents believe their kids to be those kids because they won some first prize at some local competition somewhere. (You'll also get dopes who come on here pretending that their kid was a national level award winner who didn't get offered - take that nonsense with a grain of salt. Those kids got in.)

In reality, the ones who didn't get in with the new process are the ones who, once they got to TJ, would be back-benchers for things like Math Team and Model UN. Good news is, those kids will probably be at the front of the line at their base schools. They'll still lose to TJ, but they'll be able to say that they competed in the major competitions and were their school's representatives, which will look better for their college applications than serving as a back-bencher at TJ.

This kind of condescension is what racism is all about. Change the rules, push out some undesirable minorities and tell them everything will be ok. It is naked abuse of political power.

[Anonymous]

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I think a lot of people believe that the kids who win these competitions on a regular basis for TJ are the ones who are at risk of not getting into the school - and hundreds of parents believe their kids to be those kids because they won some first prize at some local competition somewhere. (You'll also get dopes who come on here pretending that their kid was a national level award winner who didn't get offered - take that nonsense with a grain of salt. Those kids got in.)

I've asked this numerous times, and the people on your side keep dodging the question. Exactly how are they identifying the academic superstars from just middle school GPA and one essay? Many of the middle schools will have more than 1.5% of the honors/AAP kids receiving 4.0s. How can they tell the difference between somewhat above average kids and the truly elite ones? The current application process is too scant for the top notch kids to shine.

The answer is that you can't identify the academic stars. The process was clearly designed to eliminate as many of them as possible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I think a lot of people believe that the kids who win these competitions on a regular basis for TJ are the ones who are at risk of not getting into the school - and hundreds of parents believe their kids to be those kids because they won some first prize at some local competition somewhere. (You'll also get dopes who come on here pretending that their kid was a national level award winner who didn't get offered - take that nonsense with a grain of salt. Those kids got in.)

I've asked this numerous times, and the people on your side keep dodging the question. Exactly how are they identifying the academic superstars from just middle school GPA and one essay? Many of the middle schools will have more than 1.5% of the honors/AAP kids receiving 4.0s. How can they tell the difference between somewhat above average kids and the truly elite ones? The current application process is too scant for the top notch kids to shine.

I'm in this boat - DC is still several years removed from applying to TJ, but I'm worried that TJ admissions will be the same kind of nightmare as AAP. DC got into AAP L4 on the basis of exceptionally high (unprepped) test scores, but their AART didn't like them so it wasn't a shoo-in. In school, we'd always see straight 4's in the objective subjects, and 3's in subjective ones like gym, art, etc. I'm really worried when I hear "experts" with loads of "experience" try to straight-face me that GPA plus the holistic wisdom of the school system is enough to figure out if my kid is an academic superstar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think a lot of people believe that the kids who win these competitions on a regular basis for TJ are the ones who are at risk of not getting into the school - and hundreds of parents believe their kids to be those kids because they won some first prize at some local competition somewhere. (You'll also get dopes who come on here pretending that their kid was a national level award winner who didn't get offered - take that nonsense with a grain of salt. Those kids got in.)

I've asked this numerous times, and the people on your side keep dodging the question. Exactly how are they identifying the academic superstars from just middle school GPA and one essay? Many of the middle schools will have more than 1.5% of the honors/AAP kids receiving 4.0s. How can they tell the difference between somewhat above average kids and the truly elite ones? The current application process is too scant for the top notch kids to shine.

I'm in this boat - DC is still several years removed from applying to TJ, but I'm worried that TJ admissions will be the same kind of nightmare as AAP. DC got into AAP L4 on the basis of exceptionally high (unprepped) test scores, but their AART didn't like them so it wasn't a shoo-in. In school, we'd always see straight 4's in the objective subjects, and 3's in subjective ones like gym, art, etc. I'm really worried when I hear "experts" with loads of "experience" try to straight-face me that GPA plus the holistic wisdom of the school system is enough to figure out if my kid is an academic superstar.

Gym and art grades probably have more to do with your kids' ability/effort there and that it doesn't correlate well with other academic skills, not because they are subjective. They are at expected level in those classes, not advanced. And there are no "objective" subjects. (I say this as a scientist). That said, I agree the new TJ admissions process needs refining.