Gaza War, Part 3

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They don't actually want a ceasefire, they want all the "occupier colonizers" to leave or be killed. They fully support rockets still being fired at Israel.

People mention 10/7, but not the rockets that were being fired regularly before that. Will a ceasefire include no rocket fire? Or is it only Israel that must stand down?

It's almost as if the illegal immigrants to the Levant have been the peace-loving, freedom-loving good guys they have been selling us on all these years! Look guys, the only bad acts in the region in the past 100 years were these desperation Hail Mary rockets (really crude pipe bombs with limited to no aerial capacity) from the natives! The immigrants have been minding their own business, definitely not working through a 100+ year plan to dispossess others of their land.

One vote for not including rockets in ceasefire.

No, actually. It's a vote for including them in a ceasefire. It's that I simply won't abide by some Zionist trying to change the subject and convince others that those rockets make it onto the list of the Top 200 things wrong with the conditions in the region right now. The intention behind the rockets is evil born of desperation. They cause some level of inconvenience. From time-to-time, they pose a danger. But 99.9% of the time, they are benign.

Therefore, my attention is squarely on the evil that isn't born of desperation, that is vicious and unrelenting, and that poses a danger 24/7 to Palestinians, and in the big picture, to Israelis, too. 100.0% of the time, those issues are malignant and far from benign. The rockets can be part of any solution, but they aren't front and center by a long shot.

The rockets are *not* benign. Remember, it was one of these rockets that crashed outside a hospital and was immidately assessed to have been a "US-supplied JDAM" and it was claimed the hospital was completely leveled and 400 people killed by it. So if Hamas themselves claim they are big dangerous things then that is what they are. And Hamas has been launching these by the thousands at Israel, for years. Were it not for the Iron Dome, there would probably be tens of thousands of Israeli casualties as a result. Just because the rockets are shot down before they can strike homes, supermarkets, schools, theaters, etc does not make them "benign." And shame on you for trying to downplay and gaslight about the rockets. Any ceasefire needs to include a cessation of rockets too.

+1. How dare you say they are benign - have you ever lived somewhere where rockets are being fired? My family lived briefly in Israel during a Hamas rocket campaign and my child still has some PTSD sequelae from it. You are writing safely from your home in Chevy Chase - imagine you are walking down Connecticut Ave going to the CVS and loud sirens go off - you scramble to find the nearest bomb shelter with other panicked people. While in there, you can hear very loud concussions that sound close and you hope it’s the Iron Dome hitting the rockets in the air but can’t tell. The concussions are so strong that you feel the vibration inside your chest, the same as the impact of a bomb hitting something on the ground would feel. You regret not carrying food and water on your trip to the CVS and maybe a bag or something for your small child, who is very quiet and just shaking but not talking, to go to the bathroom in. This will happen to you several more times in the next few days, mostly at night, and you will be startled awake in your Chevy Chase bed by sirens and have 90 seconds to round up your family and get to a shelter. Your child starts flinching at any loud noise and is asking a lot of anxious questions. You have to lie with him for hours to get him to go to sleep at night. You hear that a house in Rockville was destroyed when a rocket got through the Iron Dome. Could have just as easily been in Chevy Chase - in fact, it flew over Chevy Chase to get there. In the daytime, a rocket lands near your child’s school, and the school decides to shut down for the next few days at least.

Hamas has fired 3000 rockets in the past two days. Each Iron Dome action against one rocket costs $500k so not every rocket is shot down, and also some are missed. They are allowed to fall on farms in upper Montgomery County since they’re less likely to hit people there, and the farm where your child planted a tree and went fruit picking on a school field trip is destroyed. A child is killed inside a bomb shelter when a rocket hits the door at a weird angle. Your bomb shelter starts feeling less safe.

The US (since you’re in the US in this story) launches a directed attack to try to take out some of the missile launchers to make it stop. One of the missile launchers is mounted on top of an apartment building and they call every home in that building to warn them beforehand. Guess what the international headlines are the next morning? “US bombs Gaza.” Only buried in the story below, a couple of paragraphs down, is it noted that Hamas has fired 3000 rockets into the US, and the timing (Hamas first) is not even mentioned. When a ceasefire a few days later is broken by Gaza first and then Israel responds, some headlines just generally mention more fighting in the region, and others only reference Israeli aggression. The order of events is not mentioned at all anywhere in the articles. You are frustrated because your experience on the ground is so different from what’s in the media.

These are all our real lived experiences while we were there. I am not a fan of Netanyahu and find the settlements in the West Bank abhorrent. However, not even considering October 7th, it’s not ok to stand by and allow your neighbor to shoot rockets at you, and no one should expect this.

So it sounds like Israeli kids and Palestinian kids are all traumatized .

I wish there was a way both can see the similarity if not in scale then at least in feeling. Terror and fear is no way to live.

And both feel terrorized by the other

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

They don't actually want a ceasefire, they want all the "occupier colonizers" to leave or be killed. They fully support rockets still being fired at Israel.

People mention 10/7, but not the rockets that were being fired regularly before that. Will a ceasefire include no rocket fire? Or is it only Israel that must stand down?

It's almost as if the illegal immigrants to the Levant have been the peace-loving, freedom-loving good guys they have been selling us on all these years! Look guys, the only bad acts in the region in the past 100 years were these desperation Hail Mary rockets (really crude pipe bombs with limited to no aerial capacity) from the natives! The immigrants have been minding their own business, definitely not working through a 100+ year plan to dispossess others of their land.

One vote for not including rockets in ceasefire.

No, actually. It's a vote for including them in a ceasefire. It's that I simply won't abide by some Zionist trying to change the subject and convince others that those rockets make it onto the list of the Top 200 things wrong with the conditions in the region right now. The intention behind the rockets is evil born of desperation. They cause some level of inconvenience. From time-to-time, they pose a danger. But 99.9% of the time, they are benign.

Therefore, my attention is squarely on the evil that isn't born of desperation, that is vicious and unrelenting, and that poses a danger 24/7 to Palestinians, and in the big picture, to Israelis, too. 100.0% of the time, those issues are malignant and far from benign. The rockets can be part of any solution, but they aren't front and center by a long shot.

The rockets are *not* benign. Remember, it was one of these rockets that crashed outside a hospital and was immidately assessed to have been a "US-supplied JDAM" and it was claimed the hospital was completely leveled and 400 people killed by it. So if Hamas themselves claim they are big dangerous things then that is what they are. And Hamas has been launching these by the thousands at Israel, for years. Were it not for the Iron Dome, there would probably be tens of thousands of Israeli casualties as a result. Just because the rockets are shot down before they can strike homes, supermarkets, schools, theaters, etc does not make them "benign." And shame on you for trying to downplay and gaslight about the rockets. Any ceasefire needs to include a cessation of rockets too.

+1. How dare you say they are benign - have you ever lived somewhere where rockets are being fired? My family lived briefly in Israel during a Hamas rocket campaign and my child still has some PTSD sequelae from it. You are writing safely from your home in Chevy Chase - imagine you are walking down Connecticut Ave going to the CVS and loud sirens go off - you scramble to find the nearest bomb shelter with other panicked people. While in there, you can hear very loud concussions that sound close and you hope it’s the Iron Dome hitting the rockets in the air but can’t tell. The concussions are so strong that you feel the vibration inside your chest, the same as the impact of a bomb hitting something on the ground would feel. You regret not carrying food and water on your trip to the CVS and maybe a bag or something for your small child, who is very quiet and just shaking but not talking, to go to the bathroom in. This will happen to you several more times in the next few days, mostly at night, and you will be startled awake in your Chevy Chase bed by sirens and have 90 seconds to round up your family and get to a shelter. Your child starts flinching at any loud noise and is asking a lot of anxious questions. You have to lie with him for hours to get him to go to sleep at night. You hear that a house in Rockville was destroyed when a rocket got through the Iron Dome. Could have just as easily been in Chevy Chase - in fact, it flew over Chevy Chase to get there. In the daytime, a rocket lands near your child’s school, and the school decides to shut down for the next few days at least.

Hamas has fired 3000 rockets in the past two days. Each Iron Dome action against one rocket costs $500k so not every rocket is shot down, and also some are missed. They are allowed to fall on farms in upper Montgomery County since they’re less likely to hit people there, and the farm where your child planted a tree and went fruit picking on a school field trip is destroyed. A child is killed inside a bomb shelter when a rocket hits the door at a weird angle. Your bomb shelter starts feeling less safe.

The US (since you’re in the US in this story) launches a directed attack to try to take out some of the missile launchers to make it stop. One of the missile launchers is mounted on top of an apartment building and they call every home in that building to warn them beforehand. Guess what the international headlines are the next morning? “US bombs Gaza.” Only buried in the story below, a couple of paragraphs down, is it noted that Hamas has fired 3000 rockets into the US, and the timing (Hamas first) is not even mentioned. When a ceasefire a few days later is broken by Gaza first and then Israel responds, some headlines just generally mention more fighting in the region, and others only reference Israeli aggression. The order of events is not mentioned at all anywhere in the articles. You are frustrated because your experience on the ground is so different from what’s in the media.

These are all our real lived experiences while we were there. I am not a fan of Netanyahu and find the settlements in the West Bank abhorrent. However, not even considering October 7th, it’s not ok to stand by and allow your neighbor to shoot rockets at you, and no one should expect this.

Where’s the point in your vivid tale where my father illegally immigrated to the U.S. from Eastern Europe, murdered the family whose property was then magically transferred to him at no cost, with state-sanctioned authorization to utilize extrajudicial force to expand the property and continue violently dispossessing the natives of their land?

I only ask because I’m wondering if there’s some connection between that history and those rockets …

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile, 100 more Gazans were killed yesterday and bombing has intensified. Biden has admitted that his line in the sand (that there be a plan to protect civilians) has been crossed. Why can’t the US pull their aid or vote yes in the U.N. to demand a ceasefire?

[Anonymous]

None of us in the United States have any right to minimize the trauma in either Israel or the Palestinian territories. The rockets should be stopped as well as the bombing and starvation.

As Smotrich says, we cannot be compassionate to the cruel. The only way out of the cycle of violence is peace.

If you care about any of the people over there then you know that Bibi and Hamas must both be thrown into the dustbin of history. Any human beings that delight in the suffering of their neighbors are evil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, 100 more Gazans were killed yesterday and bombing has intensified. Biden has admitted that his line in the sand (that there be a plan to protect civilians) has been crossed. Why can’t the US pull their aid or vote yes in the U.N. to demand a ceasefire?

Is this a ceasefire for Hamas too or cool if they keep bombing and raping and holding hostages?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, 100 more Gazans were killed yesterday and bombing has intensified. Biden has admitted that his line in the sand (that there be a plan to protect civilians) has been crossed. Why can’t the US pull their aid or vote yes in the U.N. to demand a ceasefire?

Is this a ceasefire for Hamas too or cool if they keep bombing and raping and holding hostages?

How many war crimes does Israel get to commit for each hostage held?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, 100 more Gazans were killed yesterday and bombing has intensified. Biden has admitted that his line in the sand (that there be a plan to protect civilians) has been crossed. Why can’t the US pull their aid or vote yes in the U.N. to demand a ceasefire?

Is this a ceasefire for Hamas too or cool if they keep bombing and raping and holding hostages?

How many war crimes does Israel get to commit for each hostage held?

Just tell me: is this ceasefire you're demanding for both sides or only Israel?

[Anonymous]

The talks look like they might be heading somewhere which is good news. Hamas has accepted a modified version of US proposal Israel already agreed to. Sides need to sign off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, 100 more Gazans were killed yesterday and bombing has intensified. Biden has admitted that his line in the sand (that there be a plan to protect civilians) has been crossed. Why can’t the US pull their aid or vote yes in the U.N. to demand a ceasefire?

Is this a ceasefire for Hamas too or cool if they keep bombing and raping and holding hostages?

Only Hamas never raped anyone. You are projecting what the Israelis do rape, murder, loot, bombings, etc. The Israelis do not want the hostages. They want the hostages dead or in captivity. So the IDF will sabotage this ceasefire and invade Rafah. Israelis like killing too much to stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The talks look like they might be heading somewhere which is good news. Hamas has accepted a modified version of US proposal Israel already agreed to. Sides need to sign off.

I don’t think Hamas is looking forward to post war aftermath so they will stall ceasefire . Gazans are highly upset. Demonstrations were even going on last week in Gaza

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, 100 more Gazans were killed yesterday and bombing has intensified. Biden has admitted that his line in the sand (that there be a plan to protect civilians) has been crossed. Why can’t the US pull their aid or vote yes in the U.N. to demand a ceasefire?

Is this a ceasefire for Hamas too or cool if they keep bombing and raping and holding hostages?

How many war crimes does Israel get to commit for each hostage held?

Just tell me: is this ceasefire you're demanding for both sides or only Israel?

DP

These attempts to distract from Israel’s conduct by obsessing over the rockets feels like negotiating with a serial domestic abuser …

“We can’t talk about me stopping viciously beating you within inches of your life every day unless you also agree to stop using cumin in the chili, which you know I don’t like. BOTH of us have to make changes, OK?”

[Anonymous]

Hamas and the IDF are the strangest armies ever. They target civilians and hide from each other (tunnels , planes)

[Anonymous]

Tres cowardly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, 100 more Gazans were killed yesterday and bombing has intensified. Biden has admitted that his line in the sand (that there be a plan to protect civilians) has been crossed. Why can’t the US pull their aid or vote yes in the U.N. to demand a ceasefire?

Is this a ceasefire for Hamas too or cool if they keep bombing and raping and holding hostages?

Only Hamas never raped anyone. You are projecting what the Israelis do rape, murder, loot, bombings, etc. The Israelis do not want the hostages. They want the hostages dead or in captivity. So the IDF will sabotage this ceasefire and invade Rafah. Israelis like killing too much to stop.

I’m no fan of Israel but Hamas absolutely raped people including people they murdered on Oct 7. This is fact, please don’t lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

They don't actually want a ceasefire, they want all the "occupier colonizers" to leave or be killed. They fully support rockets still being fired at Israel.

People mention 10/7, but not the rockets that were being fired regularly before that. Will a ceasefire include no rocket fire? Or is it only Israel that must stand down?

It's almost as if the illegal immigrants to the Levant have been the peace-loving, freedom-loving good guys they have been selling us on all these years! Look guys, the only bad acts in the region in the past 100 years were these desperation Hail Mary rockets (really crude pipe bombs with limited to no aerial capacity) from the natives! The immigrants have been minding their own business, definitely not working through a 100+ year plan to dispossess others of their land.

One vote for not including rockets in ceasefire.

No, actually. It's a vote for including them in a ceasefire. It's that I simply won't abide by some Zionist trying to change the subject and convince others that those rockets make it onto the list of the Top 200 things wrong with the conditions in the region right now. The intention behind the rockets is evil born of desperation. They cause some level of inconvenience. From time-to-time, they pose a danger. But 99.9% of the time, they are benign.

Therefore, my attention is squarely on the evil that isn't born of desperation, that is vicious and unrelenting, and that poses a danger 24/7 to Palestinians, and in the big picture, to Israelis, too. 100.0% of the time, those issues are malignant and far from benign. The rockets can be part of any solution, but they aren't front and center by a long shot.

The rockets are *not* benign. Remember, it was one of these rockets that crashed outside a hospital and was immidately assessed to have been a "US-supplied JDAM" and it was claimed the hospital was completely leveled and 400 people killed by it. So if Hamas themselves claim they are big dangerous things then that is what they are. And Hamas has been launching these by the thousands at Israel, for years. Were it not for the Iron Dome, there would probably be tens of thousands of Israeli casualties as a result. Just because the rockets are shot down before they can strike homes, supermarkets, schools, theaters, etc does not make them "benign." And shame on you for trying to downplay and gaslight about the rockets. Any ceasefire needs to include a cessation of rockets too.

+1. How dare you say they are benign - have you ever lived somewhere where rockets are being fired? My family lived briefly in Israel during a Hamas rocket campaign and my child still has some PTSD sequelae from it. You are writing safely from your home in Chevy Chase - imagine you are walking down Connecticut Ave going to the CVS and loud sirens go off - you scramble to find the nearest bomb shelter with other panicked people. While in there, you can hear very loud concussions that sound close and you hope it’s the Iron Dome hitting the rockets in the air but can’t tell. The concussions are so strong that you feel the vibration inside your chest, the same as the impact of a bomb hitting something on the ground would feel. You regret not carrying food and water on your trip to the CVS and maybe a bag or something for your small child, who is very quiet and just shaking but not talking, to go to the bathroom in. This will happen to you several more times in the next few days, mostly at night, and you will be startled awake in your Chevy Chase bed by sirens and have 90 seconds to round up your family and get to a shelter. Your child starts flinching at any loud noise and is asking a lot of anxious questions. You have to lie with him for hours to get him to go to sleep at night. You hear that a house in Rockville was destroyed when a rocket got through the Iron Dome. Could have just as easily been in Chevy Chase - in fact, it flew over Chevy Chase to get there. In the daytime, a rocket lands near your child’s school, and the school decides to shut down for the next few days at least.

Hamas has fired 3000 rockets in the past two days. Each Iron Dome action against one rocket costs $500k so not every rocket is shot down, and also some are missed. They are allowed to fall on farms in upper Montgomery County since they’re less likely to hit people there, and the farm where your child planted a tree and went fruit picking on a school field trip is destroyed. A child is killed inside a bomb shelter when a rocket hits the door at a weird angle. Your bomb shelter starts feeling less safe.

The US (since you’re in the US in this story) launches a directed attack to try to take out some of the missile launchers to make it stop. One of the missile launchers is mounted on top of an apartment building and they call every home in that building to warn them beforehand. Guess what the international headlines are the next morning? “US bombs Gaza.” Only buried in the story below, a couple of paragraphs down, is it noted that Hamas has fired 3000 rockets into the US, and the timing (Hamas first) is not even mentioned. When a ceasefire a few days later is broken by Gaza first and then Israel responds, some headlines just generally mention more fighting in the region, and others only reference Israeli aggression. The order of events is not mentioned at all anywhere in the articles. You are frustrated because your experience on the ground is so different from what’s in the media.

These are all our real lived experiences while we were there. I am not a fan of Netanyahu and find the settlements in the West Bank abhorrent. However, not even considering October 7th, it’s not ok to stand by and allow your neighbor to shoot rockets at you, and no one should expect this.

Oh, your lived experience, okay.

Quick question: where would you choose to live? In Israel, as a Jew, under the Iron Dome, or in the West Bank, as a Palestinian, under the IDF and settler oppression? Where do you think your child will be safer?

Okay.