APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Staff is doubling down on Proposal 1. They were respectful about the community created maps and explained why each one wouldn’t work.

The move is happening. It’s all over but the crying. People at the affected schools need to start focusing on the next phase of this operation.

They are doubling down b/c its the only feasible option. The other options put most of the county in much worse shape for a very long time.

I don’t understand how those people could generate boundaries for McKinley and ashlawn that extend so far to the east (along with other glaring problems) and present that as preferable to proposal 1. And speaking of doubling down, they attempt to gaslight others on AEM by exclaiming how much better those maps are than proposal one. Maybe, if the only criteria is that your children not be moved...

Because they live in Madison Manor and don't want to give up their short walks to their neighborhood school, or risk being reassigned to Ashlawn or Tuckahoe. It's completely understandable that the prospect of McKinley moving, and without them no less, gives them heartburn. But it's also unfortunate that they're squandering credibility and goodwill that might help them push to get assigned to Reed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Staff is doubling down on Proposal 1. They were respectful about the community created maps and explained why each one wouldn’t work.

The move is happening. It’s all over but the crying. People at the affected schools need to start focusing on the next phase of this operation.

The move makes sense. There are no arguments against the move that actually hold up under close examination.

+1

No way can the intersection of Quincy and 14th Streets handle the traffic of a third school. No way. It is already crazy with the drop off for W-L and ASFS (buses, cars, walkers, including many for W-L who use Quincy rather than Stafford to enter or exit the school) even though they open at different times and soon another 500-600 students will be added to the mix. Quincy and 14th are only one lane in each direction and there is no other possible entrance to the Buck property.

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Anonymous wrote:The Buck site is most optimal for bus parking. Period.

Don't forget police impound lots! Yay.

Those functions have to go somewhere. It’s zoned light industrial. It’s centrally located.

so important for police impound lots to be centrally located in the county ... so wise
as for locating schools in central locations, meh we don't care about that.

I was on the BLPC for the Education Center - the former school board building adjacent to WL that will provide seats for an additional 500+ HS students. One of our charges was that the building had to be designed in such a way that it could accommodate ES students should the SB decided to convert it to an ES down the road. No way will the SB be thinking about putting 3 ES within 2 blocks of each other (ASFS, Buck Property, Ed Center).

nope but a K-8 Immersion academy would make sense

K-8 Immersion in that location would be great.

No way can the intersection of Quincy and 14th Streets handle the traffic of a third school. No way. It is already crazy with the drop off for W-L and ASFS (buses, cars, walkers, including many for W-L who use Quincy rather than Stafford to enter or exit the school) even though they open at different times and soon another 500-600 students will be added to the mix. Quincy and 14th are only one lane in each direction and there is no other possible entrance to the Buck property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Staff is doubling down on Proposal 1. They were respectful about the community created maps and explained why each one wouldn’t work.

The move is happening. It’s all over but the crying. People at the affected schools need to start focusing on the next phase of this operation.

The move makes sense. There are no arguments against the move that actually hold up under close examination.

+1

No way can the intersection of Quincy and 14th Streets handle the traffic of a third school. No way. It is already crazy with the drop off for W-L and ASFS (buses, cars, walkers, including many for W-L who use Quincy rather than Stafford to enter or exit the school) even though they open at different times and soon another 500-600 students will be added to the mix. Quincy and 14th are only one lane in each direction and there is no other possible entrance to the Buck property.

Sorry - wrong post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Buck site is most optimal for bus parking. Period.

Don't forget police impound lots! Yay.

Those functions have to go somewhere. It’s zoned light industrial. It’s centrally located.

so important for police impound lots to be centrally located in the county ... so wise
as for locating schools in central locations, meh we don't care about that.

I was on the BLPC for the Education Center - the former school board building adjacent to WL that will provide seats for an additional 500+ HS students. One of our charges was that the building had to be designed in such a way that it could accommodate ES students should the SB decided to convert it to an ES down the road. No way will the SB be thinking about putting 3 ES within 2 blocks of each other (ASFS, Buck Property, Ed Center).

nope but a K-8 Immersion academy would make sense

K-8 Immersion in that location would be great.

No way can the intersection of Quincy and 14th Streets handle the traffic of a third school. No way. It is already crazy with the drop off for W-L and ASFS (buses, cars, walkers, including many for W-L who use Quincy rather than Stafford to enter or exit the school) even though they open at different times and soon another 500-600 students will be added to the mix. Quincy and 14th are only one lane in each direction and there is no other possible entrance to the Buck property.

Don't worry, those ASFS busses are going away once they add a few crossing guards nearly all will be able to walk so that will help

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Staff is doubling down on Proposal 1. They were respectful about the community created maps and explained why each one wouldn’t work.

yep - that was loud and clear
done deal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Staff is doubling down on Proposal 1. They were respectful about the community created maps and explained why each one wouldn’t work.

yep - that was loud and clear
done deal

I really hope so! But I won’t be convinced until the board actually votes. Surely there’s still time for some press stunts or matching t-shirts.

When they decided not to send S Fairlington to Drew, did staff change their minds? Or did the board overrule staff? It sounds like that will be rectified with the new boundaries, I can’t remember how it all went down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Buck site is most optimal for bus parking. Period.

Don't forget police impound lots! Yay.

Those functions have to go somewhere. It’s zoned light industrial. It’s centrally located.

so important for police impound lots to be centrally located in the county ... so wise
as for locating schools in central locations, meh we don't care about that.

I was on the BLPC for the Education Center - the former school board building adjacent to WL that will provide seats for an additional 500+ HS students. One of our charges was that the building had to be designed in such a way that it could accommodate ES students should the SB decided to convert it to an ES down the road. No way will the SB be thinking about putting 3 ES within 2 blocks of each other (ASFS, Buck Property, Ed Center).

nope but a K-8 Immersion academy would make sense

K-8 Immersion in that location would be great.

No way can the intersection of Quincy and 14th Streets handle the traffic of a third school. No way. It is already crazy with the drop off for W-L and ASFS (buses, cars, walkers, including many for W-L who use Quincy rather than Stafford to enter or exit the school) even though they open at different times and soon another 500-600 students will be added to the mix. Quincy and 14th are only one lane in each direction and there is no other possible entrance to the Buck property.

How many ASFS buses are coming in from Quincy? 1? 2 at most? Not many kids on that side of Hayes.

[Anonymous]

I think all ASFS buses come via Kirkwood, and then go up forteenth.
NIMBY at its finest!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Buck site is most optimal for bus parking. Period.

Don't forget police impound lots! Yay.

Those functions have to go somewhere. It’s zoned light industrial. It’s centrally located.

so important for police impound lots to be centrally located in the county ... so wise
as for locating schools in central locations, meh we don't care about that.

I was on the BLPC for the Education Center - the former school board building adjacent to WL that will provide seats for an additional 500+ HS students. One of our charges was that the building had to be designed in such a way that it could accommodate ES students should the SB decided to convert it to an ES down the road. No way will the SB be thinking about putting 3 ES within 2 blocks of each other (ASFS, Buck Property, Ed Center).

nope but a K-8 Immersion academy would make sense

K-8 Immersion in that location would be great.

No way can the intersection of Quincy and 14th Streets handle the traffic of a third school. No way. It is already crazy with the drop off for W-L and ASFS (buses, cars, walkers, including many for W-L who use Quincy rather than Stafford to enter or exit the school) even though they open at different times and soon another 500-600 students will be added to the mix. Quincy and 14th are only one lane in each direction and there is no other possible entrance to the Buck property.

How many ASFS buses are coming in from Quincy? 1? 2 at most? Not many kids on that side of Hayes.

All 30 of the busses parked at W&L enter Quincy, regardless of where they are stopping to pick up kids. Quincy is a mess!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Staff is doubling down on Proposal 1. They were respectful about the community created maps and explained why each one wouldn’t work.

yep - that was loud and clear
done deal

I really hope so! But I won’t be convinced until the board actually votes. Surely there’s still time for some press stunts or matching t-shirts.

When they decided not to send S Fairlington to Drew, did staff change their minds? Or did the board overrule staff? It sounds like that will be rectified with the new boundaries, I can’t remember how it all went down.

I think the SB was not willing to go there and Staff was willing to wait and see how bad the utilization discrepancies would be, knowing they’d get another bite at the apple this year. As it turns out, both Claremont (which draws a lot of kids from Abingdon) and Abingdon itself are bursting, and Drew is adjacent and under capacity, so something has to give. It’s not a reasonable position not to use the space we already have, given the budget constraints. I don’t know that it will be South Fairlington, but some non-walk zone Abingdon PUs will have to be reassigned. One of the community proposals for the no-move scenario actually showed a very reasonable Abingdon boundary that didn’t make any walkers bus riders and also didn’t assign the most disadvantaged PUs to Abingdon. Don’t have the data regarding number of students in those PUs, but it just might work. Hopefully, Staff will look into it further.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Buck site is most optimal for bus parking. Period.

Don't forget police impound lots! Yay.

Those functions have to go somewhere. It’s zoned light industrial. It’s centrally located.

so important for police impound lots to be centrally located in the county ... so wise
as for locating schools in central locations, meh we don't care about that.

I was on the BLPC for the Education Center - the former school board building adjacent to WL that will provide seats for an additional 500+ HS students. One of our charges was that the building had to be designed in such a way that it could accommodate ES students should the SB decided to convert it to an ES down the road. No way will the SB be thinking about putting 3 ES within 2 blocks of each other (ASFS, Buck Property, Ed Center).

nope but a K-8 Immersion academy would make sense

K-8 Immersion in that location would be great.

No way can the intersection of Quincy and 14th Streets handle the traffic of a third school. No way. It is already crazy with the drop off for W-L and ASFS (buses, cars, walkers, including many for W-L who use Quincy rather than Stafford to enter or exit the school) even though they open at different times and soon another 500-600 students will be added to the mix. Quincy and 14th are only one lane in each direction and there is no other possible entrance to the Buck property.

How many ASFS buses are coming in from Quincy? 1? 2 at most? Not many kids on that side of Hayes.

All 30 of the busses parked at W&L enter Quincy, regardless of where they are stopping to pick up kids. Quincy is a mess!

And all buses leaving WL, exit onto Quincy.

[Anonymous]

Have they posted the webinar yet? I can't find it, but I wasn't sure if I was looking in the wrong place.

[Anonymous]

No caving. But it would be nice if kids could be grandfathered until the house changes hands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Staff is doubling down on Proposal 1. They were respectful about the community created maps and explained why each one wouldn’t work.

yep - that was loud and clear
done deal

I really hope so! But I won’t be convinced until the board actually votes. Surely there’s still time for some press stunts or matching t-shirts.

When they decided not to send S Fairlington to Drew, did staff change their minds? Or did the board overrule staff? It sounds like that will be rectified with the new boundaries, I can’t remember how it all went down.

I think the SB was not willing to go there and Staff was willing to wait and see how bad the utilization discrepancies would be, knowing they’d get another bite at the apple this year. As it turns out, both Claremont (which draws a lot of kids from Abingdon) and Abingdon itself are bursting, and Drew is adjacent and under capacity, so something has to give. It’s not a reasonable position not to use the space we already have, given the budget constraints. I don’t know that it will be South Fairlington, but some non-walk zone Abingdon PUs will have to be reassigned. One of the community proposals for the no-move scenario actually showed a very reasonable Abingdon boundary that didn’t make any walkers bus riders and also didn’t assign the most disadvantaged PUs to Abingdon. Don’t have the data regarding number of students in those PUs, but it just might work. Hopefully, Staff will look into it further.

Yes, that is basically how I remember it too. It’s important to remember Abingdon consists of more than just Fairlington, and many of us, while acknowledging Abingdon may (and it did) become overcrowded, wanted to address it when ALL boundaries were being considered- not just some of the SA elementary schools.

I know there’s some people who just can’t wait until some of Abingdon’s PUs are reassigned to Drew, but like PP mentioned, it very well could be other non-walk zone PUs, not necessarily South Fairlington.