Bad Art Friend

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And yes, we all know it’s from the William Carlos Williams poem before things get educational around here.

Do you think William Carlos Williams will mind? Who is the bad art friend here?

You’re an asshole, no need to go to Reddit with the inquiry.

Any funny spins on this that still say, incorrectly, that Dorland was weird/wrong/extra/obsessive about her donation or her treatment of Larson shore up this effed up bullshit narrative that made her a national punching bag. It’s not cute, sweetie.

OMG I just tried to inject a little levity, since the pp wanted to point out who the artist was he copied. On every post on this thread I've been pro-Dorland. I didn't put a /s because I thought it was obvious. I definitely think the tenor has changed enough for me to sign off now.

[Anonymous]

I thought the Williams poem was obviously pro-Dorland satire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And yes, we all know it’s from the William Carlos Williams poem before things get educational around here.

Do you think William Carlos Williams will mind? Who is the bad art friend here?

You’re an asshole, no need to go to Reddit with the inquiry.

Any funny spins on this that still say, incorrectly, that Dorland was weird/wrong/extra/obsessive about her donation or her treatment of Larson shore up this effed up bullshit narrative that made her a national punching bag. It’s not cute, sweetie.

OMG I just tried to inject a little levity, since the pp wanted to point out who the artist was he copied. On every post on this thread I've been pro-Dorland. I didn't put a /s because I thought it was obvious. I definitely think the tenor has changed enough for me to sign off now.

You are good. That person wildly overreacted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And yes, we all know it’s from the William Carlos Williams poem before things get educational around here.

Do you think William Carlos Williams will mind? Who is the bad art friend here?

You’re an asshole, no need to go to Reddit with the inquiry.

Any funny spins on this that still say, incorrectly, that Dorland was weird/wrong/extra/obsessive about her donation or her treatment of Larson shore up this effed up bullshit narrative that made her a national punching bag. It’s not cute, sweetie.

OMG I just tried to inject a little levity, since the pp wanted to point out who the artist was he copied. On every post on this thread I've been pro-Dorland. I didn't put a /s because I thought it was obvious. I definitely think the tenor has changed enough for me to sign off now.

You are good. That person wildly overreacted.

PS I am super pro-Dorland and I thought it was funny. I think she would too.

[Anonymous]

I'm on some disability related lists and there has been a lot of discussion around the disability aspects of this. I thought I would share a Twitter thread that is making the rounds and that seems really good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly the more this goes on, the more convinced I am that the bad art friend is Kolker and the NYT.

My money is on Celeste as the very worst art friend, or maybe Roxane. But yes hilariously, both of them AND Kolker all look worse than Larson, who is the lying plagiarist.

This whole thing is such a great example to why people with a shred of morals leave these career paths to become high school English teachers and yoga studio owners and whatnot. It’d be insane and soulless to stay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm on some disability related lists and there has been a lot of discussion around the disability aspects of this. I thought I would share a Twitter thread that is making the rounds and that seems really good.

This was really good and informative, thank you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly the more this goes on, the more convinced I am that the bad art friend is Kolker and the NYT.

My money is on Celeste as the very worst art friend, or maybe Roxane. But yes hilariously, both of them AND Kolker all look worse than Larson, who is the lying plagiarist.

This whole thing is such a great example to why people with a shred of morals leave these career paths to become high school English teachers and yoga studio owners and whatnot. It’d be insane and soulless to stay.

Huh? You're saying all published writers don't have a shred of morals? Seems a bit broad.

[Anonymous]

I'm trying to understand what Alexander Chee means in this tweet. Anyone smarter than me care to explain?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly the more this goes on, the more convinced I am that the bad art friend is Kolker and the NYT.

My money is on Celeste as the very worst art friend, or maybe Roxane. But yes hilariously, both of them AND Kolker all look worse than Larson, who is the lying plagiarist.

This whole thing is such a great example to why people with a shred of morals leave these career paths to become high school English teachers and yoga studio owners and whatnot. It’d be insane and soulless to stay.

Huh? You're saying all published writers don't have a shred of morals? Seems a bit broad.

DP. Yes, that is ridiculous. I think there are many deeply moral writers. The Chunky Monkeys just aren't those writers, but in hindsight, we are talking about a group of adult humans who named themselves the Chunky Monkeys apparently unironically, so we probably already all knew about their morals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to understand what Alexander Chee means in this tweet. Anyone smarter than me care to explain?

Ditto. And again, tons of likes, so this gets circulated a fair amount.

[Anonymous]

Do we know where the name Chunky Monkeys came from?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to understand what Alexander Chee means in this tweet. Anyone smarter than me care to explain?

Ditto. And again, tons of likes, so this gets circulated a fair amount.

I think he's just saying that he doesn't want to talk about the kidney story anymore and he's tired of it continuing to dominate conversations.

They just announced the panels for AWP, the biggest writers conference in the US, for next March. It's a big deal because they didn't do the conference in person this year, and the 2020 AWP was very weird with low attendance because it basically happened as everything was shutting down. It's the last time a lot of folks last saw each other in person. I think a lot of people just want to move on to that and be excited about the idea of more in person literary events, and this story is a big bummer and kind of heavy and incriminating. Very much not the vibe folks like Chee want right now.

Though I have to say as panels were announced and people started talking about seeing each other in Philly next year, I definitely chuckled to myself thinking about some of the potential awkwardness do to this whole thing. I don't personally know anyone involved (Grub Street is not my scene and very little overlap with my little corner of the world) so I feel untouched by it, but I'm guessing there are some folks who suddenly have some very mixed feelings about seeing people again. Or not! I don't know. But it's a very weird time in literary circles right now!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And yes, we all know it’s from the William Carlos Williams poem before things get educational around here.

Do you think William Carlos Williams will mind? Who is the bad art friend here?

You’re an asshole, no need to go to Reddit with the inquiry.

Any funny spins on this that still say, incorrectly, that Dorland was weird/wrong/extra/obsessive about her donation or her treatment of Larson shore up this effed up bullshit narrative that made her a national punching bag. It’s not cute, sweetie.

OMG I just tried to inject a little levity, since the pp wanted to point out who the artist was he copied. On every post on this thread I've been pro-Dorland. I didn't put a /s because I thought it was obvious. I definitely think the tenor has changed enough for me to sign off now.

You are good. That person wildly overreacted.

PS I am super pro-Dorland and I thought it was funny. I think she would too.

Okay - I'm back to peek and thank you. I think so too because it shows how easy it would have been for Larson to send a quick text. In any case, I think it was my way of trying to tamp down on the heat of it all. As people have said, these are two women who are real people with real feelings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do we know where the name Chunky Monkeys came from?

I believe it's a reference to the way the members share their work -- instead of exchanging full drafts for feedback, they send each other "chunks" of manuscripts. Which is kind of necessary if you are going to have a writing group were most or all members are working on novels because otherwise people do not have the time.