Forum Index
»
Soccer
ECNL moving to school year part 2
![[Post New]](/jforum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif){kind=icon}
Anonymous
You found a club that agrees with your worldview, but even that one isn't "forcing" parents/kids to do this. And there are plenty of clubs that aren't doing it this way in the ECNL. The Nationals, for example. The club in Kansas shared a way back. The local ones here. The fact is there's a diversity of views on this and that's a healthy thing. You're trolling for one particular view is not. |
Anonymous
| Where I live, I'm seeing clubs give parents/kids in this situation the choice and some are trying to stay with grade while others, especially if they are currently on a B team, are opting to play on age to get to an A team that's a higher platform. |
Anonymous
Say whatever you want rosters this fall will tell the truth. |
Anonymous
|
The grade troll is back!
Thanks for taking a vacation, though. We appreciated the quiet time. |
Anonymous
|
Won't be long before the age troll goes full nuclear in response.
Reasonable people in the middle can only shake their heads. |
Anonymous
I don't need to wait. Most rosters are largely set in elite leagues. It's case-by-case at a lot of clubs in my area. You're burying your head in the sand to believe otherwise OR just trolling. |
Anonymous
| Build me a thread worthy of Mordor! |
Anonymous
Posting links to and images from ECNL club websites that were setup to educate players and parents on the BY to SY change this fall is being a troll? That doesnt seem like a trollish thing to do. |
Anonymous
Ok great. You don't live in DCUM territory then. This screwing up college thing was totally disproven but ECNL Guy in podcast where he put everyone on age, no exceptions. You are going to have to try another scare tactic because this one has been proven false and made up. |
Anonymous
You misread again. They aren't forcing kids to play up based on grade. "Consider filling out this optional application..." The application is a grade application that you don't have to fill up if up don't want your kid playing up |
Anonymous
Doubt it was a vacation. Was banned for trolling more likely. Funny how there is virtually no interest in this topic other than grade troll pushing his agenda and then a handful of responses telling him he is nuts and misleading. |
Anonymous
Yup, made up bait to try to continue to beat a dead horse. Clubs all already decided. It's April. Thousands of clubs going on age as default with case by case to play up. And no choice to play up. A few outliers representing fewer than one percent of all travel clubs pushing for grade based teams in their clubs. None of these grade pushers in DMV. |
Anonymous
So is this ... Q: Can a player born between August 1 and September 30 play up if they are in the higher school grade? A: School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation, but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria including the player’s skill, maturity, and readiness for the older age group. Grade alone does not guarantee that a player will play up. https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition |
Anonymous
This is ECNL guy saying no exceptions for his club Anonymous wrote: So, this ECNL director from Michigan basically says they’re going to do what makes the most sense for their individual players (Case-by-case). Play them on age and showcase them on grade, if/when, that makes sense. He does say college coaches want to see all players of a class together but also notes what league, who the opponents are also vital in player evaluation. He says some of their best players they’ve had, including a YNT now a GK at Penn State, were late developers. Also, this club plays year round, so hasn't had to deal with trap players. The age change is discussed between roughly 14-20 minutes of this interview: https://www.youtube.com/w...dLkj6MmgIA Highlighting key parts: I Hate Soccer Guy: I get DMs all the time about, well, my daughter's an August birthday, but she's graduating and whatever. And like, what are you doing? Okay, let's say a kid falls on the junior team. … Junior class team, but she's graduating this year with the seniors or whatever. … I know a lot of Flash girls are just going to stay in their grad year. What are you guys going to do? ECNL dude: So we actually we spent a lot of time talking to a lot of the top clubs, a lot of like we talked to players, people in the federation, we talked to people in college like what would be the best thing to do because at some point as well you have to rip the band-aid off. It's like if you keep everything as is, you just push the problem down the road. So for us, every single kid is going to where their birth date aligns. Okay? And that includes like no exceptions. So now if we find a situation now where we need to move a kid because they're just unchallenged, right? Then you can move them from there. Yeah. Right. But let's align it all. We'll rip the band-aid off. Right. And now we can truly see things. And not only that, but you look at like if I'm a if I'm a senior and I have the opportunity to play U17 again, I'm doing it a 100 out of 100 times because there's six playoff spots. There's an environment where you're competing for longer, right? right? You got the opportunity to do things and the motivation level is really high. The senior year always curtails unfortunately. Yeah. Um you know with kids. So you know for me it's a lot of people fall into that and as well you get a great benefit of if you're uncommitted you now get to get a redo on some of the exposure that you know you maybe wouldn't have before if you were on a senior team, right? So there's there's a lot of benefits. So for us, you know, we're in a situation where everyone's going into that and then we can move things off of that if it's the right thing. Now then you also have to look at it. Okay, if a player goes into an age younger but their grade level is here, how do you help them with showcasing? So for us, we have made sure that in our kind of roster assembly, we created opportunities so that you know at ECNL showcases or Jefferson Cup or something like that, we have the ability to bring this player with us. So now they still get the best of both worlds, right? If you can develop inside this environment, we can also then showcase you with your grade level, but also if you're maybe a little bit of a late developer, like for example, your typical recruitment, your elite players are getting watched a lot, their sophomore years. Your next tier is mainly the junior year, but let's say you make it to junior year and you've really developed, but now you're on a mainly sophomore team. You get the opportunity to now get re-seen, right, by a lot of those schools that maybe aren't watching junior classes anymore. I Hate Soccer Guy: I've never thought of it like that. ECNL dude: Yeah. Okay. So, there's a lot of benefits to it. That's a positive of being playing down again. Like another positive because the younger parts of the older grade are typically going to be your late developers, right? So, it gives you the opportunity now to really help them because they, you know, whether it's physical maturation, mental, whatever it might be. It's ultimately up to the kid, but they can showcase because we've had a ton of kids that have come in, you know, and been late developers. They've been on second and third teams and they've risen and they've gone, you know, RL to ECNL to power four, right? And that's, you know, one of our one of our goalkeepers is one of my favorite stories of all time. She's a sophomore at Penn State right now. … So you know, yeah, those late developers are there. And that's the thing is you have to have ways to help them, right? And this kind of provides a natural way. If you are a younger part of your grade, you now have a second opportunity that maybe you wouldn't have got before. |
Anonymous
It's also significant that they are NOT FORCING people to do this. They ask people to apply if they want to and make their case why they should. This ECNL guy helped run the DA, was in GA and now runs a big club in MI ... So, this ECNL director from Michigan basically says they’re going to do what makes the most sense for their individual players (Case-by-case). Play them on age and showcase them on grade, if/when, that makes sense. He does say college coaches want to see all players of a class together but also notes what league, who the opponents are also vital in player evaluation. He says some of their best players they’ve had, including a YNT now a GK at Penn State, were late developers. Also, this club plays year round, so hasn't had to deal with trap players. The age change is discussed between roughly 14-20 minutes of this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdLkj6MmgIA Highlighting key parts: I Hate Soccer Guy: I get DMs all the time about, well, my daughter's an August birthday, but she's graduating and whatever. And like, what are you doing? Okay, let's say a kid falls on the junior team. … Junior class team, but she's graduating this year with the seniors or whatever. … I know a lot of Flash girls are just going to stay in their grad year. What are you guys going to do? ECNL dude: So we actually we spent a lot of time talking to a lot of the top clubs, a lot of like we talked to players, people in the federation, we talked to people in college like what would be the best thing to do because at some point as well you have to rip the band-aid off. It's like if you keep everything as is, you just push the problem down the road. So for us, every single kid is going to where their birth date aligns. Okay? And that includes like no exceptions. So now if we find a situation now where we need to move a kid because they're just unchallenged, right? Then you can move them from there. Yeah. Right. But let's align it all. We'll rip the band-aid off. Right. And now we can truly see things. And not only that, but you look at like if I'm a if I'm a senior and I have the opportunity to play U17 again, I'm doing it a 100 out of 100 times because there's six playoff spots. There's an environment where you're competing for longer, right? right? You got the opportunity to do things and the motivation level is really high. The senior year always curtails unfortunately. Yeah. Um you know with kids. So you know for me it's a lot of people fall into that and as well you get a great benefit of if you're uncommitted you now get to get a redo on some of the exposure that you know you maybe wouldn't have before if you were on a senior team, right? So there's there's a lot of benefits. So for us, you know, we're in a situation where everyone's going into that and then we can move things off of that if it's the right thing. Now then you also have to look at it. Okay, if a player goes into an age younger but their grade level is here, how do you help them with showcasing? So for us, we have made sure that in our kind of roster assembly, we created opportunities so that you know at ECNL showcases or Jefferson Cup or something like that, we have the ability to bring this player with us. So now they still get the best of both worlds, right? If you can develop inside this environment, we can also then showcase you with your grade level, but also if you're maybe a little bit of a late developer, like for example, your typical recruitment, your elite players are getting watched a lot, their sophomore years. Your next tier is mainly the junior year, but let's say you make it to junior year and you've really developed, but now you're on a mainly sophomore team. You get the opportunity to now get re-seen, right, by a lot of those schools that maybe aren't watching junior classes anymore. I Hate Soccer Guy: I've never thought of it like that. ECNL dude: Yeah. Okay. So, there's a lot of benefits to it. That's a positive of being playing down again. Like another positive because the younger parts of the older grade are typically going to be your late developers, right? So, it gives you the opportunity now to really help them because they, you know, whether it's physical maturation, mental, whatever it might be. It's ultimately up to the kid, but they can showcase because we've had a ton of kids that have come in, you know, and been late developers. They've been on second and third teams and they've risen and they've gone, you know, RL to ECNL to power four, right? And that's, you know, one of our one of our goalkeepers is one of my favorite stories of all time. She's a sophomore at Penn State right now. … So you know, yeah, those late developers are there. And that's the thing is you have to have ways to help them, right? And this kind of provides a natural way. If you are a younger part of your grade, you now have a second opportunity that maybe you wouldn't have got before. |