Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"No single loaf of bread" from these crazy Israelis blocking aid into Gaza.

I wish it was just a few crazies, but as per this CNN report, 68% of Jewish Israelis are against allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/03/08/kerem-shalom-protesters-aid-gaza-israel-ward-pkg-lead-vpx.cnn

In a symbolic act, these Israelis filled their cars with needed supplies and tried to make their way to the Kerem Shalom crossing.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-show-of-solidarity-israeli-activists-attempt-to-deliver-aid-to-civilians-in-gaza/

Do remember that there are still Israelis being held hostage by Gazans. The IDF wants aid to be delivered effectively because they want to finish the war and avoid having the war effort hindered by the humanitarian crisis, but the Israeli public, especially the hostages' families, are not unreasonable in pointing out that it is deeply hypocritical for the international community to send aid to their relatives' torturers.

If your 25 year-old daughter was being kept as a sex slave in a cage in a tunnel in Gaza, you would have something to say about aid deliveries to the people who jeered and spat at her as she was paraded through the streets with a bloody crotch, or to the UNRWA teacher who abducted her, or to the "civilians" who returned her to Hamas after she tried to escape.

All that said, I think aid deliveries should go through if it can be determined that they will not be redirected toward Hamas's war effort. But you should not find it remarkable that the actual people who have been terrorized by terrorists would have objections to support for the terrorists' allies and enablers.

So you wouldn’t want the hostage to eat neither?


Dumb take. Israel is so disconnected from the hostages it’s scary. They are Gazan citizens right now too and they want to be safe and to be fed.

Israel is literally fighting a war to save their hostages. IDF men and women are bravely and unquestioningly fighting, and during, to bring the hostages home.

But yes, Israel does not want to open their prisons and release more Hamas monsters into the world and prolong the war. During the earlier ceasefire, it was a sad reality that they had to make this trade because most of the hostages were women and children, but now with most of the hostages remaining being IDF soldiers, trading viscous, rightfully imprisoned hardened Hamas militants does not make sense.

It is on Hamas to immediately release every single hostage, and unconditional surrender. Until then the IDF will continue their efforts to save hostages, target military infrastructure, and continue their humanitarian-minded war effort.

If the IDF is bravely succeeding, why do you need Hamas to surrender? They and hostages will be found right?

The five month hide and go seek will be over soon, right? IDF is so brave they shot Israeli hostages shouting Hebrew and waving white flags, the IDF doesn’t want to enter homes in Gaza or tunnels because they fear the homes will be booby trapped even if it’s a home of a grandmother or family of 4. So brave they are indeed they need Hamas to surrender.

Why? Hamas is sadly enjoying the circular firing squad Israel has become . So many IDF have died from friendly fire. It’s almost poetic in a way because there was a time Israel laughed at Hamas rockets accidentally killing /firing into Gazans and their homes

Because if Hamas cared about the Palestinian civilians even half as much as Israel, they would surrender rather then continuing to murder poor Palestinian civilians, women, and children.

You believe Israel would stop bombing Gaza if Hamas surrenders today? Lol.

The bombing would only get worse once Israel gets all their hostages back .

They will be punishing Gazans forever for 10/7 even though majority of the Gazans have nothing to do with 10/7. The level of contempt Hamas has for Gazans can’t be overstated. They don’t trust them and think anyone could be an Israeli spy. This is why they ban Hamas from cell phones or communicating with families. They fear anyone could be a turncoat and Sinwar originally was a killer of Palestinian informants before he turned to wanting to kill Israelis. The entire summer of 2023 (really going back to 2019) were full of anti Hamas sentiments on Gazan social media platforms and mass demonstrations in Gaza against Hamas happened last summer the same time Israeli demonstrators were demonstrating against Netanyahu. Hamas knows from experience the best way to get their recruits or support up is an Israeli war.
A war helps refocus the hatred to Israel which is where they want it to squarely belong

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile I cannot see how these actions help to bring Israeli hostages home:


“Israeli forces intensified attacks across the Gaza Strip, killing at least 15 people, including women and children, in the Nuseirat refugee camp and al-Mawasi area in southern Gaza.
In northern Gaza, an infant and a young woman died of malnutrition, taking the number of known starvation deaths to 25.”

[Anonymous]

I would love to know more about the high literacy rate in Gaza. How did they achieve that? And generally a high literacy rate correlates with lower birth rates but that is not the case in Gaza. Can anyone explain why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would love to know more about the high literacy rate in Gaza. How did they achieve that? And generally a high literacy rate correlates with lower birth rates but that is not the case in Gaza. Can anyone explain why?

From this book (which blows the theory of uneducated Palestinians out of the water and explains why Israel is so focused on removing UNRWA from the region.): https://cupblog.org/2023/08/23/why-palestinians-are-known-as-the-worlds-best-educated-refugeesanne-irfan/


Conventional wisdom cites the role of the relevant UN body: the Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, better known by its acronym UNRWA. Active since 1950. Since 1960, education has constituted UNRWA’s single biggest program in terms of investment, funding, and personnel.

But the emphasis on education predates the formation of UNRWA. Many Palestinian refugees had been farmers in Palestine; having lost the land capital that had been their primary currency for generations in 1948, they now looked to education as an alternative form of social capital. They also saw it as a necessary tool for reversing their displacement and dispossession, with some concluding that higher education rates among the Jewish community in Palestine had given the latter an advantage over the Indigenous Palestinian population in 1948. The refugees thus quickly coalesced on education as a possible route out of their crisis, both individually and collectively.

[Anonymous]

Biden will lose the election because of his support for Israel. Forget the tough guy routine with the hot mic.

Trump has already cut Israel as a part of the long term strategy.

[Anonymous]

Don't fall for the " fake fight" with Netanyahu staged by Biden/ Harris or his empty platitudes made in SOTU.
Biden actually thinks college educated 21-40 year olds are going to believe in his words that cost him literally zero politically as he does not intend to do ANYTHING that would concretely stop the war OR stop/evict the illegal Israeli settlements which are the cause of the war.

If you want a voice in how our country is run, Vote " Uncommitted " in your states Primary. If your state has 15% of vote " uncommitted " you can send delegates to the Dem Convention and then we can all Vote against Biden/ Harris for the nomination and pick our own President- instead of having one shoved down our throats.

[Anonymous]

You will have a president shoved down your throats either way. You can make a deal with the devil or at least have a person who you be able to influence within a democratic process. Your choice but you’ll live with it to in this country. Not somewhere abroad you’ve likely never been and if you have are not living in. You can extend some of that incredible care to those that also live around you who have other issues in their minds like the economy, jobs, schools, women’s health issues, etc. but good luck.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't fall for the " fake fight" with Netanyahu staged by Biden/ Harris or his empty platitudes made in SOTU.
Biden actually thinks college educated 21-40 year olds are going to believe in his words that cost him literally zero politically as he does not intend to do ANYTHING that would concretely stop the war OR stop/evict the illegal Israeli settlements which are the cause of the war.

If you want a voice in how our country is run, Vote " Uncommitted " in your states Primary. If your state has 15% of vote " uncommitted " you can send delegates to the Dem Convention and then we can all Vote against Biden/ Harris for the nomination and pick our own President- instead of having one shoved down our throats.

You should read the Israeli press. Biden is taking on Bibi in a way no American President has ever done. He is straight out saying that Bibi is the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

He was gathering olives with his family, had received death threats from the "settlers" and was shot and killed by a group of "settlers" while unarmed and on his own land.

It's pretty disgusting that you're trying to justify it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"No single loaf of bread" from these crazy Israelis blocking aid into Gaza.

I wish it was just a few crazies, but as per this CNN report, 68% of Jewish Israelis are against allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/03/08/kerem-shalom-protesters-aid-gaza-israel-ward-pkg-lead-vpx.cnn

In a symbolic act, these Israelis filled their cars with needed supplies and tried to make their way to the Kerem Shalom crossing.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-show-of-solidarity-israeli-activists-attempt-to-deliver-aid-to-civilians-in-gaza/

Do remember that there are still Israelis being held hostage by Gazans. The IDF wants aid to be delivered effectively because they want to finish the war and avoid having the war effort hindered by the humanitarian crisis, but the Israeli public, especially the hostages' families, are not unreasonable in pointing out that it is deeply hypocritical for the international community to send aid to their relatives' torturers.

If your 25 year-old daughter was being kept as a sex slave in a cage in a tunnel in Gaza, you would have something to say about aid deliveries to the people who jeered and spat at her as she was paraded through the streets with a bloody crotch, or to the UNRWA teacher who abducted her, or to the "civilians" who returned her to Hamas after she tried to escape.

All that said, I think aid deliveries should go through if it can be determined that they will not be redirected toward Hamas's war effort. But you should not find it remarkable that the actual people who have been terrorized by terrorists would have objections to support for the terrorists' allies and enablers.

So you wouldn’t want the hostage to eat neither?


Dumb take. Israel is so disconnected from the hostages it’s scary. They are Gazan citizens right now too and they want to be safe and to be fed.

Israel is literally fighting a war to save their hostages. IDF men and women are bravely and unquestioningly fighting, and during, to bring the hostages home.

But yes, Israel does not want to open their prisons and release more Hamas monsters into the world and prolong the war. During the earlier ceasefire, it was a sad reality that they had to make this trade because most of the hostages were women and children, but now with most of the hostages remaining being IDF soldiers, trading viscous, rightfully imprisoned hardened Hamas militants does not make sense.

It is on Hamas to immediately release every single hostage, and unconditional surrender. Until then the IDF will continue their efforts to save hostages, target military infrastructure, and continue their humanitarian-minded war effort.

If the IDF is bravely succeeding, why do you need Hamas to surrender? They and hostages will be found right?

The five month hide and go seek will be over soon, right? IDF is so brave they shot Israeli hostages shouting Hebrew and waving white flags, the IDF doesn’t want to enter homes in Gaza or tunnels because they fear the homes will be booby trapped even if it’s a home of a grandmother or family of 4. So brave they are indeed they need Hamas to surrender.

Why? Hamas is sadly enjoying the circular firing squad Israel has become . So many IDF have died from friendly fire. It’s almost poetic in a way because there was a time Israel laughed at Hamas rockets accidentally killing /firing into Gazans and their homes

Because if Hamas cared about the Palestinian civilians even half as much as Israel, they would surrender rather then continuing to murder poor Palestinian civilians, women, and children.

You believe Israel would stop bombing Gaza if Hamas surrenders today? Lol.

The bombing would only get worse once Israel gets all their hostages back .

They will be punishing Gazans forever for 10/7 even though majority of the Gazans have nothing to do with 10/7. The level of contempt Hamas has for Gazans can’t be overstated. They don’t trust them and think anyone could be an Israeli spy. This is why they ban Hamas from cell phones or communicating with families. They fear anyone could be a turncoat and Sinwar originally was a killer of Palestinian informants before he turned to wanting to kill Israelis. The entire summer of 2023 (really going back to 2019) were full of anti Hamas sentiments on Gazan social media platforms and mass demonstrations in Gaza against Hamas happened last summer the same time Israeli demonstrators were demonstrating against Netanyahu. Hamas knows from experience the best way to get their recruits or support up is an Israeli war.
A war helps refocus the hatred to Israel which is where they want it to squarely belong

Of course if Hama surrendered unconditionally and released the hostages Israel would end the war. Since the very beginning, those were the war goals and there is absolutely no reason Israel would continue the war after achieving them, except for the anti-Semitic belief that Jewish people are just violent monsters who want to butcher Palestinians. To continue the war beyond the point where the hostages were free and every Hamas militant, supporter, collaborator, and/or sympathizer was imprisoned and/or dead would be considered genocide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would love to know more about the high literacy rate in Gaza. How did they achieve that? And generally a high literacy rate correlates with lower birth rates but that is not the case in Gaza. Can anyone explain why?

One thing Palestinians have learned is that they can take education with them, even if virtually everything else can be robbed from them. They are also beneficiaries of a long history of UNWRA (not a terrorist org, despite the recent hasbara crap) funding basic education.

The birth rate is about the demographic competition in Israeli-held territory. Given that the Zionist project has been somewhere from broadly criminal against Palestinians to outright genocidal, keeping the numbers of Palestinian births high is a crucial form of resistance.

The anomalies note that the Palestinians are violently denied the rights and stability that typically accompany their level of education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

He was gathering olives with his family, had received death threats from the "settlers" and was shot and killed by a group of "settlers" while unarmed and on his own land.

It's pretty disgusting that you're trying to justify it.

That is what happened ACCORDING TO HIS FAMILY.

According to the Israeli Court, he was part of a mob that ambushed a group of settlers, and was killed by an off-duty IDF soldier in self defense.

Your argument is that we should believe a group of Hamas supporters (who are mourning) over a literal COURT OF LAW. Sorry, most of us will tend to believe the Court of Law over the words of people who want to see every single Jewish individual brutally killed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

The Israeli was committing a crime by mere mention of his presence in the West Bank.

The Palestinians lawfully residing in the West Bank can hardly be blamed for supporting ANYTHING against the Israelis after what they have been put through, including Hamas and frankly much worse.

But I digress ... WHY WERE THESE INNOCENT ISRAELI CIVILIANS, INCLUDING THE OFF DUTY IDF SOLDIER ON LEAVE, IN THE WEST BANK?

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Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

I am not Israeli or Palestinian. But I do know #2 is not convincing at all. Settlers do not have to follow the law to be found innocent in Israeli courts. That is part of the unequal application of the law that is the heart of the problem in the West Bank.