Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

you know what is also a "literal court of law"- the United States Supreme Court and they are the authors of Dredd Scott, that decision stood until congress acted and passed the 14th amendment. The Nazis also had "courts" in the early years when they were making the autobahn, before the Nuremberg laws were passed, when people were waiting to see what the German fascists would do, they'd already lived with the Spanish and Italian fascists. They legally killed handicapped children as well as half German/african children by order of "literal court of law" after a review was done, they did this legally. It is also legal in Israel to have racial covenants right now- Arabs are not permitted to buy property from a jewish owner, that is legal discrimination.

I think what you arent quite grasping is that Isreal- what with arresting teachers and anti-war protesters and filming children telling Arab workers that they are "slaves" and a 'slave race"- is slowly turning into just another religious extremist, backwards, strange non-liberal, weird clothes wearing alien society as opposed what we have always thought which is that Israellis are like American jews and normal, liberal democrats who are basically just like us. However you are like our bigoted great grandparents instead. I mean sure I feel terrible about the Holocaust but germans/dutch/French should pay for that - what do Palestinians have to do with it? I was very pro-Israel/2 state solution, the Palestinians chose this insane refugee status but I feel like both sides are to blame and starving kids is just gross- 68 percent of Israelis still want to siege like its the middle ages with blocking food and water, living in the desert has addled their brains, we dont do that anymore. maybe people shouldn't rely on ancient Iron Age texts for moral guidance, the rest of humanity has evolved far beyond that the other than equivalent freaks like ISIS, Taliban etc. Israelis seem like weird outlier freaks to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

He was gathering olives with his family, had received death threats from the "settlers" and was shot and killed by a group of "settlers" while unarmed and on his own land.

It's pretty disgusting that you're trying to justify it.

This aligns with the heartfelt views of Katya and the other Israeli woman from the video accompanying the CNN report recently posted online.

These people see absolutely nothing wrong with the apartheid conditions that Israel has created in the region. They believe beyond a shred of doubt that even one Jewish life is more valuable than all of the non-Jews lives across the globe. They are not in the slightest shy about stating that belief directly. They believe a Jewish person who has committed heinous crimes is STILL better than a nursery full of Palestinian newborn infants. Literally. They believe that. You cannot reason with psychopathology, and there is a sizable segment of the worldwide Jewish population (i.e., not just in Israel) who live life with this mindset.

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Anonymous wrote:"No single loaf of bread" from these crazy Israelis blocking aid into Gaza.

I wish it was just a few crazies, but as per this CNN report, 68% of Jewish Israelis are against allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/03/08/kerem-shalom-protesters-aid-gaza-israel-ward-pkg-lead-vpx.cnn

In a symbolic act, these Israelis filled their cars with needed supplies and tried to make their way to the Kerem Shalom crossing.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-show-of-solidarity-israeli-activists-attempt-to-deliver-aid-to-civilians-in-gaza/

Do remember that there are still Israelis being held hostage by Gazans. The IDF wants aid to be delivered effectively because they want to finish the war and avoid having the war effort hindered by the humanitarian crisis, but the Israeli public, especially the hostages' families, are not unreasonable in pointing out that it is deeply hypocritical for the international community to send aid to their relatives' torturers.

If your 25 year-old daughter was being kept as a sex slave in a cage in a tunnel in Gaza, you would have something to say about aid deliveries to the people who jeered and spat at her as she was paraded through the streets with a bloody crotch, or to the UNRWA teacher who abducted her, or to the "civilians" who returned her to Hamas after she tried to escape.

All that said, I think aid deliveries should go through if it can be determined that they will not be redirected toward Hamas's war effort. But you should not find it remarkable that the actual people who have been terrorized by terrorists would have objections to support for the terrorists' allies and enablers.

So you wouldn’t want the hostage to eat neither?


Dumb take. Israel is so disconnected from the hostages it’s scary. They are Gazan citizens right now too and they want to be safe and to be fed.

Israel is literally fighting a war to save their hostages. IDF men and women are bravely and unquestioningly fighting, and during, to bring the hostages home.

But yes, Israel does not want to open their prisons and release more Hamas monsters into the world and prolong the war. During the earlier ceasefire, it was a sad reality that they had to make this trade because most of the hostages were women and children, but now with most of the hostages remaining being IDF soldiers, trading viscous, rightfully imprisoned hardened Hamas militants does not make sense.

It is on Hamas to immediately release every single hostage, and unconditional surrender. Until then the IDF will continue their efforts to save hostages, target military infrastructure, and continue their humanitarian-minded war effort.

If the IDF is bravely succeeding, why do you need Hamas to surrender? They and hostages will be found right?

The five month hide and go seek will be over soon, right? IDF is so brave they shot Israeli hostages shouting Hebrew and waving white flags, the IDF doesn’t want to enter homes in Gaza or tunnels because they fear the homes will be booby trapped even if it’s a home of a grandmother or family of 4. So brave they are indeed they need Hamas to surrender.

Why? Hamas is sadly enjoying the circular firing squad Israel has become . So many IDF have died from friendly fire. It’s almost poetic in a way because there was a time Israel laughed at Hamas rockets accidentally killing /firing into Gazans and their homes

Because if Hamas cared about the Palestinian civilians even half as much as Israel, they would surrender rather then continuing to murder poor Palestinian civilians, women, and children.

You believe Israel would stop bombing Gaza if Hamas surrenders today? Lol.

The bombing would only get worse once Israel gets all their hostages back .

They will be punishing Gazans forever for 10/7 even though majority of the Gazans have nothing to do with 10/7. The level of contempt Hamas has for Gazans can’t be overstated. They don’t trust them and think anyone could be an Israeli spy. This is why they ban Hamas from cell phones or communicating with families. They fear anyone could be a turncoat and Sinwar originally was a killer of Palestinian informants before he turned to wanting to kill Israelis. The entire summer of 2023 (really going back to 2019) were full of anti Hamas sentiments on Gazan social media platforms and mass demonstrations in Gaza against Hamas happened last summer the same time Israeli demonstrators were demonstrating against Netanyahu. Hamas knows from experience the best way to get their recruits or support up is an Israeli war.
A war helps refocus the hatred to Israel which is where they want it to squarely belong

Of course if Hama surrendered unconditionally and released the hostages Israel would end the war. Since the very beginning, those were the war goals and there is absolutely no reason Israel would continue the war after achieving them, except for the anti-Semitic belief that Jewish people are just violent monsters who want to butcher Palestinians. To continue the war beyond the point where the hostages were free and every Hamas militant, supporter, collaborator, and/or sympathizer was imprisoned and/or dead would be considered genocide.

Is that right? No equivalent of the 1st Amendment in Israel? Sympathizing with a group, no matter how heinous, results in imprisonment or death?

Yikes. Does Israel imprison or kill the settlers, the supporters of the settlers (oh, that creates a conundrum since the primary supporters of the settlers are the Knesset and the IDF itself), the collaborators of the settlers (oh again, that creates a conundrum since their primary collaborators are the Knesset and the IDF itself), and/or the sympathizers of the settlers (Shit, that's a existential program since that's 100% of the Israeli population supports the settlers or views them as not a dealbreaker in their unconditional support of their nation)?

I thought Israel was democratic. Guess not.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't fall for the " fake fight" with Netanyahu staged by Biden/ Harris or his empty platitudes made in SOTU.
Biden actually thinks college educated 21-40 year olds are going to believe in his words that cost him literally zero politically as he does not intend to do ANYTHING that would concretely stop the war OR stop/evict the illegal Israeli settlements which are the cause of the war.

If you want a voice in how our country is run, Vote " Uncommitted " in your states Primary. If your state has 15% of vote " uncommitted " you can send delegates to the Dem Convention and then we can all Vote against Biden/ Harris for the nomination and pick our own President- instead of having one shoved down our throats.

You should read the Israeli press. Biden is taking on Bibi in a way no American President has ever done. He is straight out saying that Bibi is the problem.

So what. words, words, words. They aren't stopping the genocide, which every American will be blamed for for decades to come.

Just like every American politician from Clinton on has mouthed the words " two state solution" while willfully allowing illegal settlement funding from Americans and their US bank accounts to terrorist entities like Smotrich to terrorize Palestinians off their land, steel it and build illegal settlements on it for Americans from places like Philadelphia, NJ and NY to move to .

If he really wanted " Peace in the Middle East " he'd cut off all military aid and trade with Israel and the EU would do the same. That way, Israel has to live within it's military means, form relationships with it's neighbors based on mutual preservation instead of one sided exploitation.

Instead, the USA for 80 years has lopsidedly funded one side, ignored that the Palestinians are a people and hoped that they could just keep the US population distracted while Israel slowly expanded the illegal settlements, diverted their water resources and exterminated them.

Palestinians fighting back... in an election year... " such bad timing for me politically " , Biden

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Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

He was gathering olives with his family, had received death threats from the "settlers" and was shot and killed by a group of "settlers" while unarmed and on his own land.

It's pretty disgusting that you're trying to justify it.

That is what happened ACCORDING TO HIS FAMILY.

According to the Israeli Court, he was part of a mob that ambushed a group of settlers, and was killed by an off-duty IDF soldier in self defense.

Your argument is that we should believe a group of Hamas supporters (who are mourning) over a literal COURT OF LAW. Sorry, most of us will tend to believe the Court of Law over the words of people who want to see every single Jewish individual brutally killed.

Link to his family saying this? His brother was arrested for wearing a Hamas flag at Bilals funeral. There’s nothing I’ve seen that says the settler shot in self defense. The farmers were picking olives .

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Anonymous wrote:"No single loaf of bread" from these crazy Israelis blocking aid into Gaza.

I wish it was just a few crazies, but as per this CNN report, 68% of Jewish Israelis are against allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/03/08/kerem-shalom-protesters-aid-gaza-israel-ward-pkg-lead-vpx.cnn

In a symbolic act, these Israelis filled their cars with needed supplies and tried to make their way to the Kerem Shalom crossing.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-show-of-solidarity-israeli-activists-attempt-to-deliver-aid-to-civilians-in-gaza/

Do remember that there are still Israelis being held hostage by Gazans. The IDF wants aid to be delivered effectively because they want to finish the war and avoid having the war effort hindered by the humanitarian crisis, but the Israeli public, especially the hostages' families, are not unreasonable in pointing out that it is deeply hypocritical for the international community to send aid to their relatives' torturers.

If your 25 year-old daughter was being kept as a sex slave in a cage in a tunnel in Gaza, you would have something to say about aid deliveries to the people who jeered and spat at her as she was paraded through the streets with a bloody crotch, or to the UNRWA teacher who abducted her, or to the "civilians" who returned her to Hamas after she tried to escape.

All that said, I think aid deliveries should go through if it can be determined that they will not be redirected toward Hamas's war effort. But you should not find it remarkable that the actual people who have been terrorized by terrorists would have objections to support for the terrorists' allies and enablers.

So you wouldn’t want the hostage to eat neither?


Dumb take. Israel is so disconnected from the hostages it’s scary. They are Gazan citizens right now too and they want to be safe and to be fed.

Israel is literally fighting a war to save their hostages. IDF men and women are bravely and unquestioningly fighting, and during, to bring the hostages home.

But yes, Israel does not want to open their prisons and release more Hamas monsters into the world and prolong the war. During the earlier ceasefire, it was a sad reality that they had to make this trade because most of the hostages were women and children, but now with most of the hostages remaining being IDF soldiers, trading viscous, rightfully imprisoned hardened Hamas militants does not make sense.

It is on Hamas to immediately release every single hostage, and unconditional surrender. Until then the IDF will continue their efforts to save hostages, target military infrastructure, and continue their humanitarian-minded war effort.

If the IDF is bravely succeeding, why do you need Hamas to surrender? They and hostages will be found right?

The five month hide and go seek will be over soon, right? IDF is so brave they shot Israeli hostages shouting Hebrew and waving white flags, the IDF doesn’t want to enter homes in Gaza or tunnels because they fear the homes will be booby trapped even if it’s a home of a grandmother or family of 4. So brave they are indeed they need Hamas to surrender.

Why? Hamas is sadly enjoying the circular firing squad Israel has become . So many IDF have died from friendly fire. It’s almost poetic in a way because there was a time Israel laughed at Hamas rockets accidentally killing /firing into Gazans and their homes

Because if Hamas cared about the Palestinian civilians even half as much as Israel, they would surrender rather then continuing to murder poor Palestinian civilians, women, and children.

You believe Israel would stop bombing Gaza if Hamas surrenders today? Lol.

The bombing would only get worse once Israel gets all their hostages back .

They will be punishing Gazans forever for 10/7 even though majority of the Gazans have nothing to do with 10/7. The level of contempt Hamas has for Gazans can’t be overstated. They don’t trust them and think anyone could be an Israeli spy. This is why they ban Hamas from cell phones or communicating with families. They fear anyone could be a turncoat and Sinwar originally was a killer of Palestinian informants before he turned to wanting to kill Israelis. The entire summer of 2023 (really going back to 2019) were full of anti Hamas sentiments on Gazan social media platforms and mass demonstrations in Gaza against Hamas happened last summer the same time Israeli demonstrators were demonstrating against Netanyahu. Hamas knows from experience the best way to get their recruits or support up is an Israeli war.
A war helps refocus the hatred to Israel which is where they want it to squarely belong

Of course if Hama surrendered unconditionally and released the hostages Israel would end the war. Since the very beginning, those were the war goals and there is absolutely no reason Israel would continue the war after achieving them, except for the anti-Semitic belief that Jewish people are just violent monsters who want to butcher Palestinians. To continue the war beyond the point where the hostages were free and every Hamas militant, supporter, collaborator, and/or sympathizer was imprisoned and/or dead would be considered genocide.

Is that right? No equivalent of the 1st Amendment in Israel? Sympathizing with a group, no matter how heinous, results in imprisonment or death?

Yikes. Does Israel imprison or kill the settlers, the supporters of the settlers (oh, that creates a conundrum since the primary supporters of the settlers are the Knesset and the IDF itself), the collaborators of the settlers (oh again, that creates a conundrum since their primary collaborators are the Knesset and the IDF itself), and/or the sympathizers of the settlers (Shit, that's a existential program since that's 100% of the Israeli population supports the settlers or views them as not a dealbreaker in their unconditional support of their nation)?

I thought Israel was democratic. Guess not.

Yes, until every Hamas agent, supporter, or sympathizer is taken to Justice, Israel cannot be free and safe. Hamas’ primary goal is the complete and utter destruction of Israel and the eradication of Jewish society, not the “Freedom Fighters” that the leftist Nazis claim. Hamas does not care about the Palestinian people, as should be clear from the number of innocent civilians they have killed in this war (30k? 40k? We will not know for many more months unfortunately). Those who support genocide of the Jewish people must be brought to justice, whether that is through war, or through the Israeli court system, and by definition that includes Hamas fighters, supporters, collaborators, and sympathizers. Period. Until that occurs, Israel Conor be safe or free.

And I am not sure why you brought up Israeli settlers. Few, even in Israel, support the West Bank settlements, however what people support is that nonviolent Israelis should not face danger in their homes and in their farmland from Hamas militants.

Something will have to be done about the settlements, but to compare ultra-orthodox settlers who believe they can hold land in the West Bank to genocidal terrorists who pray daily for the death of all Jews globally is highly insulting.

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Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

I can't think of anything more likely to make a Palestinian want to support Hamas than to have one of their relatives murdered by some Israeli settler terrorist.

That aside, the fact that someone waves a flag you don't like now apparently means you can now murder one of their family members. Is this what you're saying? What other flags are an excuse for murdering a family member? I think Israel is a genocidal nation that is committing war crimes. Does that mean I should kill the relatives of someone who waves an Israeli flag? You need to think about the precedent you're trying to set here and how you would feel if the roles were reversed.

We know these West Bank settlers have a long history of harassing, murdering, and threatening Palestinians with a view to stealing their property. One thief was even caught on camera saying, 'If I don't steal it, someone else will steal it." The settlers know what they're doing, and Israel allows them to get away with it. This is accumulation through dispossession, and it has been going on since before the Nakba, and it is evil. Palestinians are considered uentermenschen who can be killed or kicked out of their homes without consequences.

This article describes a West Bank Palestinian who records settler aggression on video: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/03/04/israel-west-bank-settlers-attacks-palestinians
Even as he was collecting footage of settlers looting a Palestinian home and breaking and entering, Israeli soldiers stood by and watched. The soldiers later walked home with the settlers to their settlement, which is illegal under international law. Israel allows this racist violence as part of its strategy of ethnic cleansing.

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Anonymous wrote:"No single loaf of bread" from these crazy Israelis blocking aid into Gaza.

I wish it was just a few crazies, but as per this CNN report, 68% of Jewish Israelis are against allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/03/08/kerem-shalom-protesters-aid-gaza-israel-ward-pkg-lead-vpx.cnn

In a symbolic act, these Israelis filled their cars with needed supplies and tried to make their way to the Kerem Shalom crossing.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-show-of-solidarity-israeli-activists-attempt-to-deliver-aid-to-civilians-in-gaza/

Do remember that there are still Israelis being held hostage by Gazans. The IDF wants aid to be delivered effectively because they want to finish the war and avoid having the war effort hindered by the humanitarian crisis, but the Israeli public, especially the hostages' families, are not unreasonable in pointing out that it is deeply hypocritical for the international community to send aid to their relatives' torturers.

If your 25 year-old daughter was being kept as a sex slave in a cage in a tunnel in Gaza, you would have something to say about aid deliveries to the people who jeered and spat at her as she was paraded through the streets with a bloody crotch, or to the UNRWA teacher who abducted her, or to the "civilians" who returned her to Hamas after she tried to escape.

All that said, I think aid deliveries should go through if it can be determined that they will not be redirected toward Hamas's war effort. But you should not find it remarkable that the actual people who have been terrorized by terrorists would have objections to support for the terrorists' allies and enablers.

So you wouldn’t want the hostage to eat neither?


Dumb take. Israel is so disconnected from the hostages it’s scary. They are Gazan citizens right now too and they want to be safe and to be fed.

Israel is literally fighting a war to save their hostages. IDF men and women are bravely and unquestioningly fighting, and during, to bring the hostages home.

But yes, Israel does not want to open their prisons and release more Hamas monsters into the world and prolong the war. During the earlier ceasefire, it was a sad reality that they had to make this trade because most of the hostages were women and children, but now with most of the hostages remaining being IDF soldiers, trading viscous, rightfully imprisoned hardened Hamas militants does not make sense.

It is on Hamas to immediately release every single hostage, and unconditional surrender. Until then the IDF will continue their efforts to save hostages, target military infrastructure, and continue their humanitarian-minded war effort.

If the IDF is bravely succeeding, why do you need Hamas to surrender? They and hostages will be found right?

The five month hide and go seek will be over soon, right? IDF is so brave they shot Israeli hostages shouting Hebrew and waving white flags, the IDF doesn’t want to enter homes in Gaza or tunnels because they fear the homes will be booby trapped even if it’s a home of a grandmother or family of 4. So brave they are indeed they need Hamas to surrender.

Why? Hamas is sadly enjoying the circular firing squad Israel has become . So many IDF have died from friendly fire. It’s almost poetic in a way because there was a time Israel laughed at Hamas rockets accidentally killing /firing into Gazans and their homes

Because if Hamas cared about the Palestinian civilians even half as much as Israel, they would surrender rather then continuing to murder poor Palestinian civilians, women, and children.

You believe Israel would stop bombing Gaza if Hamas surrenders today? Lol.

The bombing would only get worse once Israel gets all their hostages back .

They will be punishing Gazans forever for 10/7 even though majority of the Gazans have nothing to do with 10/7. The level of contempt Hamas has for Gazans can’t be overstated. They don’t trust them and think anyone could be an Israeli spy. This is why they ban Hamas from cell phones or communicating with families. They fear anyone could be a turncoat and Sinwar originally was a killer of Palestinian informants before he turned to wanting to kill Israelis. The entire summer of 2023 (really going back to 2019) were full of anti Hamas sentiments on Gazan social media platforms and mass demonstrations in Gaza against Hamas happened last summer the same time Israeli demonstrators were demonstrating against Netanyahu. Hamas knows from experience the best way to get their recruits or support up is an Israeli war.
A war helps refocus the hatred to Israel which is where they want it to squarely belong

Of course if Hama surrendered unconditionally and released the hostages Israel would end the war. Since the very beginning, those were the war goals and there is absolutely no reason Israel would continue the war after achieving them, except for the anti-Semitic belief that Jewish people are just violent monsters who want to butcher Palestinians. To continue the war beyond the point where the hostages were free and every Hamas militant, supporter, collaborator, and/or sympathizer was imprisoned and/or dead would be considered genocide.

Well if the shoe fits

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Anonymous wrote:"No single loaf of bread" from these crazy Israelis blocking aid into Gaza.

I wish it was just a few crazies, but as per this CNN report, 68% of Jewish Israelis are against allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2024/03/08/kerem-shalom-protesters-aid-gaza-israel-ward-pkg-lead-vpx.cnn

In a symbolic act, these Israelis filled their cars with needed supplies and tried to make their way to the Kerem Shalom crossing.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-show-of-solidarity-israeli-activists-attempt-to-deliver-aid-to-civilians-in-gaza/

Do remember that there are still Israelis being held hostage by Gazans. The IDF wants aid to be delivered effectively because they want to finish the war and avoid having the war effort hindered by the humanitarian crisis, but the Israeli public, especially the hostages' families, are not unreasonable in pointing out that it is deeply hypocritical for the international community to send aid to their relatives' torturers.

If your 25 year-old daughter was being kept as a sex slave in a cage in a tunnel in Gaza, you would have something to say about aid deliveries to the people who jeered and spat at her as she was paraded through the streets with a bloody crotch, or to the UNRWA teacher who abducted her, or to the "civilians" who returned her to Hamas after she tried to escape.

All that said, I think aid deliveries should go through if it can be determined that they will not be redirected toward Hamas's war effort. But you should not find it remarkable that the actual people who have been terrorized by terrorists would have objections to support for the terrorists' allies and enablers.

So you wouldn’t want the hostage to eat neither?


Dumb take. Israel is so disconnected from the hostages it’s scary. They are Gazan citizens right now too and they want to be safe and to be fed.

Israel is literally fighting a war to save their hostages. IDF men and women are bravely and unquestioningly fighting, and during, to bring the hostages home.

But yes, Israel does not want to open their prisons and release more Hamas monsters into the world and prolong the war. During the earlier ceasefire, it was a sad reality that they had to make this trade because most of the hostages were women and children, but now with most of the hostages remaining being IDF soldiers, trading viscous, rightfully imprisoned hardened Hamas militants does not make sense.

It is on Hamas to immediately release every single hostage, and unconditional surrender. Until then the IDF will continue their efforts to save hostages, target military infrastructure, and continue their humanitarian-minded war effort.

If the IDF is bravely succeeding, why do you need Hamas to surrender? They and hostages will be found right?

The five month hide and go seek will be over soon, right? IDF is so brave they shot Israeli hostages shouting Hebrew and waving white flags, the IDF doesn’t want to enter homes in Gaza or tunnels because they fear the homes will be booby trapped even if it’s a home of a grandmother or family of 4. So brave they are indeed they need Hamas to surrender.

Why? Hamas is sadly enjoying the circular firing squad Israel has become . So many IDF have died from friendly fire. It’s almost poetic in a way because there was a time Israel laughed at Hamas rockets accidentally killing /firing into Gazans and their homes

Because if Hamas cared about the Palestinian civilians even half as much as Israel, they would surrender rather then continuing to murder poor Palestinian civilians, women, and children.

You believe Israel would stop bombing Gaza if Hamas surrenders today? Lol.

The bombing would only get worse once Israel gets all their hostages back .

They will be punishing Gazans forever for 10/7 even though majority of the Gazans have nothing to do with 10/7. The level of contempt Hamas has for Gazans can’t be overstated. They don’t trust them and think anyone could be an Israeli spy. This is why they ban Hamas from cell phones or communicating with families. They fear anyone could be a turncoat and Sinwar originally was a killer of Palestinian informants before he turned to wanting to kill Israelis. The entire summer of 2023 (really going back to 2019) were full of anti Hamas sentiments on Gazan social media platforms and mass demonstrations in Gaza against Hamas happened last summer the same time Israeli demonstrators were demonstrating against Netanyahu. Hamas knows from experience the best way to get their recruits or support up is an Israeli war.
A war helps refocus the hatred to Israel which is where they want it to squarely belong

Of course if Hama surrendered unconditionally and released the hostages Israel would end the war. Since the very beginning, those were the war goals and there is absolutely no reason Israel would continue the war after achieving them, except for the anti-Semitic belief that Jewish people are just violent monsters who want to butcher Palestinians. To continue the war beyond the point where the hostages were free and every Hamas militant, supporter, collaborator, and/or sympathizer was imprisoned and/or dead would be considered genocide.

Is that right? No equivalent of the 1st Amendment in Israel? Sympathizing with a group, no matter how heinous, results in imprisonment or death?

Yikes. Does Israel imprison or kill the settlers, the supporters of the settlers (oh, that creates a conundrum since the primary supporters of the settlers are the Knesset and the IDF itself), the collaborators of the settlers (oh again, that creates a conundrum since their primary collaborators are the Knesset and the IDF itself), and/or the sympathizers of the settlers (Shit, that's a existential program since that's 100% of the Israeli population supports the settlers or views them as not a dealbreaker in their unconditional support of their nation)?

I thought Israel was democratic. Guess not.

Yes, until every Hamas agent, supporter, or sympathizer is taken to Justice, Israel cannot be free and safe. Hamas’ primary goal is the complete and utter destruction of Israel and the eradication of Jewish society, not the “Freedom Fighters” that the leftist Nazis claim. Hamas does not care about the Palestinian people, as should be clear from the number of innocent civilians they have killed in this war (30k? 40k? We will not know for many more months unfortunately). Those who support genocide of the Jewish people must be brought to justice, whether that is through war, or through the Israeli court system, and by definition that includes Hamas fighters, supporters, collaborators, and sympathizers. Period. Until that occurs, Israel Conor be safe or free.

And I am not sure why you brought up Israeli settlers. Few, even in Israel, support the West Bank settlements, however what people support is that nonviolent Israelis should not face danger in their homes and in their farmland from Hamas militants.

Something will have to be done about the settlements, but to compare ultra-orthodox settlers who believe they can hold land in the West Bank to genocidal terrorists who pray daily for the death of all Jews globally is highly insulting.

Don't you care at all about the freedom and safety of the Palestinians, who have been treated so unjustly for decades? Are you aware that Netanyahu has been financing Hamas for years? I find your cultural narcissism and myopia repugnant. You are saying Palestinians must be sacrificed (or continue to be sacrificed) on the altar of Israeli convenience. Many of the settlers and the Israeli state itself meet the definition of terrorists.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to know more about the high literacy rate in Gaza. How did they achieve that? And generally a high literacy rate correlates with lower birth rates but that is not the case in Gaza. Can anyone explain why?

Gaza is more urban. West Bank is fertile and has more farmers and is more rural. That’s why the starvation is especially cruel in Gaza. Gaza isn’t that fertile and they can’t get fish from the sea because Israelis are killing Gazan fishermen as well and there’s a blockade on the sea

There isn’t much to do but go to school in Gaza. That’s why their education rates are higher than West Bank .

Does it really make a difference though? Not really because the unemployment rate is higher in Gaza than it is in the West Bank. The only promised jobs are in 3 places: UNRWA as a teacher or Hamas or hospitals

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Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

He was gathering olives with his family, had received death threats from the "settlers" and was shot and killed by a group of "settlers" while unarmed and on his own land.

It's pretty disgusting that you're trying to justify it.

That is what happened ACCORDING TO HIS FAMILY.

According to the Israeli Court, he was part of a mob that ambushed a group of settlers, and was killed by an off-duty IDF soldier in self defense.

Your argument is that we should believe a group of Hamas supporters (who are mourning) over a literal COURT OF LAW. Sorry, most of us will tend to believe the Court of Law over the words of people who want to see every single Jewish individual brutally killed.

Link to his family saying this? His brother was arrested for wearing a Hamas flag at Bilals funeral. There’s nothing I’ve seen that says the settler shot in self defense. The farmers were picking olives .

Read the article.

His Hamas-supporting family is the only people claiming he was so innocently killed while peacefully picking olives.

The Israeli authorities were the ones who provided the details of the incident:

In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.”

Based on the article, again, the soldier was promptly arrested in response to the shooting, however the Israeli Courts found that the shooting was in self defense, presumably due to Saleh (and others) violently attacking them:

The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

So, to summarize, you are making the argument that we should be taking the word of this guy’s family, including his Hamas-linked brother, over an Israeli court which found, pretty clearly, that he was not ‘just picking olives’ but rather violently attacking settlers necessitating self defense.

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Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

I can't think of anything more likely to make a Palestinian want to support Hamas than to have one of their relatives murdered by some Israeli settler terrorist.

That aside, the fact that someone waves a flag you don't like now apparently means you can now murder one of their family members. Is this what you're saying? What other flags are an excuse for murdering a family member? I think Israel is a genocidal nation that is committing war crimes. Does that mean I should kill the relatives of someone who waves an Israeli flag? You need to think about the precedent you're trying to set here and how you would feel if the roles were reversed.

We know these West Bank settlers have a long history of harassing, murdering, and threatening Palestinians with a view to stealing their property. One thief was even caught on camera saying, 'If I don't steal it, someone else will steal it." The settlers know what they're doing, and Israel allows them to get away with it. This is accumulation through dispossession, and it has been going on since before the Nakba, and it is evil. Palestinians are considered uentermenschen who can be killed or kicked out of their homes without consequences.

This article describes a West Bank Palestinian who records settler aggression on video: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/03/04/israel-west-bank-settlers-attacks-palestinians
Even as he was collecting footage of settlers looting a Palestinian home and breaking and entering, Israeli soldiers stood by and watched. The soldiers later walked home with the settlers to their settlement, which is illegal under international law. Israel allows this racist violence as part of its strategy of ethnic cleansing.

The US Dept of State, the DoD, every NSA since Kissinger and every President we have had since 1967 has allowed " Israel" to get away with it and who are these Israeli settlers ? Most of them are Americans, born perfectly safe and free in Philly suburbs or in Morristown, NJ or NYC and they still have their US Passports and their US bank accounts.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to know more about the high literacy rate in Gaza. How did they achieve that? And generally a high literacy rate correlates with lower birth rates but that is not the case in Gaza. Can anyone explain why?

Gaza is more urban. West Bank is fertile and has more farmers and is more rural. That’s why the starvation is especially cruel in Gaza. Gaza isn’t that fertile and they can’t get fish from the sea because Israelis are killing Gazan fishermen as well and there’s a blockade on the sea

There isn’t much to do but go to school in Gaza. That’s why their education rates are higher than West Bank .

Does it really make a difference though? Not really because the unemployment rate is higher in Gaza than it is in the West Bank. The only promised jobs are in 3 places: UNRWA as a teacher or Hamas or hospitals

And to think Americans defend our right to rise up against the British colonial regime just because of Taxes on Tea and having to house and feed British soldiers

and then say that Palestinians are " animals" because they have been fighting back for decades against this systemic brutality by Israel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Owa90I77sE

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-story/2023/6/30/israel-accused-of-using-automated-apartheid-in-west-bank

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Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

He was gathering olives with his family, had received death threats from the "settlers" and was shot and killed by a group of "settlers" while unarmed and on his own land.

It's pretty disgusting that you're trying to justify it.

That is what happened ACCORDING TO HIS FAMILY.

According to the Israeli Court, he was part of a mob that ambushed a group of settlers, and was killed by an off-duty IDF soldier in self defense.

Your argument is that we should believe a group of Hamas supporters (who are mourning) over a literal COURT OF LAW. Sorry, most of us will tend to believe the Court of Law over the words of people who want to see every single Jewish individual brutally killed.

Link to his family saying this? His brother was arrested for wearing a Hamas flag at Bilals funeral. There’s nothing I’ve seen that says the settler shot in self defense. The farmers were picking olives .

Read the article.

His Hamas-supporting family is the only people claiming he was so innocently killed while peacefully picking olives.

The Israeli authorities were the ones who provided the details of the incident:

In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.”

Based on the article, again, the soldier was promptly arrested in response to the shooting, however the Israeli Courts found that the shooting was in self defense, presumably due to Saleh (and others) violently attacking them:

The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

So, to summarize, you are making the argument that we should be taking the word of this guy’s family, including his Hamas-linked brother, over an Israeli court which found, pretty clearly, that he was not ‘just picking olives’ but rather violently attacking settlers necessitating self defense.

That's fascinating. Some douche named Yossi Dagan - who is a criminal under international law, incidentally - accused "tens of Hamasniks" of attacking this gentle settler, and the response from the Israeli side - of course, renowned for their restraint - was that just one person was shot and killed.

That TOTALLY makes sense. Attack by tens of people, just one person shot. NOT AT ALL like the kind of assassinations that occur daily in the West Bank, nearly 100% of the time with a settler as the perpetrator.

But I love how you probably actually believe the farcical narrative you're trying to sell ...

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Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

He was gathering olives with his family, had received death threats from the "settlers" and was shot and killed by a group of "settlers" while unarmed and on his own land.

It's pretty disgusting that you're trying to justify it.

That is what happened ACCORDING TO HIS FAMILY.

According to the Israeli Court, he was part of a mob that ambushed a group of settlers, and was killed by an off-duty IDF soldier in self defense.

Your argument is that we should believe a group of Hamas supporters (who are mourning) over a literal COURT OF LAW. Sorry, most of us will tend to believe the Court of Law over the words of people who want to see every single Jewish individual brutally killed.

Link to his family saying this? His brother was arrested for wearing a Hamas flag at Bilals funeral. There’s nothing I’ve seen that says the settler shot in self defense. The farmers were picking olives .

Read the article.

His Hamas-supporting family is the only people claiming he was so innocently killed while peacefully picking olives.

The Israeli authorities were the ones who provided the details of the incident:

In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.”

Based on the article, again, the soldier was promptly arrested in response to the shooting, however the Israeli Courts found that the shooting was in self defense, presumably due to Saleh (and others) violently attacking them:

The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

So, to summarize, you are making the argument that we should be taking the word of this guy’s family, including his Hamas-linked brother, over an Israeli court which found, pretty clearly, that he was not ‘just picking olives’ but rather violently attacking settlers necessitating self defense.

I wish you were joking but I know you are dead serious with this. Newsflash, sweetie. The Israeli courts are taking the side of the settler .

Before the funeral even happened where His brother waved a Hamas flag , this settler was arrested for murder. It was during the court case that he joined the army and the idea of it being self defense against Hamas came about. The brother was arrested for three months and he is now released. Why? Because he’s not Hamas. He was simply waving the flag at his brothers funeral possibly because he was angry . When people are angry, they tend to do angry things like wave a Hamas flag in resistance.

Surely, the settlers know anger. Since 10/7, They’ve increased aggression and killed many Palestinian locals in angry mobs like this guy Bilal who purposely chose a Saturday morning to go to work because he assumed the settlers would be praying and wouldn’t be out killing