ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even though the cutoff is 9/1 in most states, school districts seem to be pretty liberal allowing parents to decide what is best for kids with August birthdays. It’s only a month. I hope the cutoff goes back to 8/1. It could be 8/1, plus in a certain grade.

Congrats to your August kid.

There are always going to be trapped players no matter what happens. Kids are often "held back" who are born anywhere between May and August.

The 9/1 cutoff is based on the traditional school year - nationwide. It's not perfect and there will still be trapped players. But a 9/1 cutoff will reflect the greatest amount of people in the same grade - and the point is to increase participation generally.

I'm sorry if your Jan kid won't be the biggest anymore. And I'm sorry if you have an August bday where the kid will (still) be trapped. It is what it is.

How will a 9/1 soccer cutoff reflect the greatest amount of people in the same grade when there are states (14 states by my count) with grade cutoffs before 9/1?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even though the cutoff is 9/1 in most states, school districts seem to be pretty liberal allowing parents to decide what is best for kids with August birthdays. It’s only a month. I hope the cutoff goes back to 8/1. It could be 8/1, plus in a certain grade.

Congrats to your August kid.

There are always going to be trapped players no matter what happens. Kids are often "held back" who are born anywhere between May and August.

The 9/1 cutoff is based on the traditional school year - nationwide. It's not perfect and there will still be trapped players. But a 9/1 cutoff will reflect the greatest amount of people in the same grade - and the point is to increase participation generally.

I'm sorry if your Jan kid won't be the biggest anymore. And I'm sorry if you have an August bday where the kid will (still) be trapped. It is what it is.

How will a 9/1 soccer cutoff reflect the greatest amount of people in the same grade when there are states (14 states by my count) with grade cutoffs before 9/1?

Math? If 14 states are before... how many are on or after? Take your time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even though the cutoff is 9/1 in most states, school districts seem to be pretty liberal allowing parents to decide what is best for kids with August birthdays. It’s only a month. I hope the cutoff goes back to 8/1. It could be 8/1, plus in a certain grade.

Congrats to your August kid.

There are always going to be trapped players no matter what happens. Kids are often "held back" who are born anywhere between May and August.

The 9/1 cutoff is based on the traditional school year - nationwide. It's not perfect and there will still be trapped players. But a 9/1 cutoff will reflect the greatest amount of people in the same grade - and the point is to increase participation generally.

I'm sorry if your Jan kid won't be the biggest anymore. And I'm sorry if you have an August bday where the kid will (still) be trapped. It is what it is.

How will a 9/1 soccer cutoff reflect the greatest amount of people in the same grade when there are states (14 states by my count) with grade cutoffs before 9/1?

Math? If 14 states are before... how many are on or after? Take your time.

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Speaker 3: 33:28

"One interesting thing that's come out of it is if going back to school year because, again, to make it very, very clear, what we expect is the mandate removed for the fall of 26. At that point most states determine school age by a cutoff of August 31, or September one or later. There's 50 states and there's there's some states that are, I think, as late as even October and how they calculate a school year. But there's more that are in that not 831, 91 cutoff than there are 81. And if the goal is to align more and more kids in grade level, I would think that that will become the more likely cutoff of September 1."

[Anonymous]

So stupid. I mean really really stupid.

9/1 still traps August kids in 14 states, right?

8/1 traps zero kids

BuT WhAt AbOut higher grades that play with younger grades? Let them play up, which is always allowed, or stay with younger.

Say it with me........Optionality.

Something the trapped kids for 9/1 dont get.

Make it make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So stupid. I mean really really stupid.

8/1 traps zero kids

Make it make sense.

Not true. There will always be trapped players because parents can always hold their kid back.

You're also assuming that avoiding the trapped player situation is why the change is being made. Also not true.

The change is being made to generally promote participation in the sport. Nationwide, a 9/1 cutoff groups school grade kids together the best. Translation: this is really about money for the sport through greater participation. It's not about a perfect solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even though the cutoff is 9/1 in most states, school districts seem to be pretty liberal allowing parents to decide what is best for kids with August birthdays. It’s only a month. I hope the cutoff goes back to 8/1. It could be 8/1, plus in a certain grade.

Congrats to your August kid.

There are always going to be trapped players no matter what happens. Kids are often "held back" who are born anywhere between May and August.

The 9/1 cutoff is based on the traditional school year - nationwide. It's not perfect and there will still be trapped players. But a 9/1 cutoff will reflect the greatest amount of people in the same grade - and the point is to increase participation generally.

I'm sorry if your Jan kid won't be the biggest anymore. And I'm sorry if you have an August bday where the kid will (still) be trapped. It is what it is.

How will a 9/1 soccer cutoff reflect the greatest amount of people in the same grade when there are states (14 states by my count) with grade cutoffs before 9/1?

Math? If 14 states are before... how many are on or after? Take your time.

I'm not sure how to respond to this because I think you're missing the point. What's the goal of the SY debate? To align kids with their grade. If you can choose a cutoff date that will align soccer players with their grades that covers 49 states (I think Connecticut is 1/1), then that would be the greatest amount of people. Not a cutoff that only account for 36 states (there's your math). Make it make sense for me, because maybe I'm the one missing the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So stupid. I mean really really stupid.

8/1 traps zero kids

Make it make sense.

Not true. There will always be trapped players because parents can always hold their kid back.

You're also assuming that avoiding the trapped player situation is why the change is being made. Also not true.

The change is being made to generally promote participation in the sport. Nationwide, a 9/1 cutoff groups school grade kids together the best. Translation: this is really about money for the sport through greater participation. It's not about a perfect solution.

Trapped by choice is very different than trapped with no choice 🙄 But you may be right about it being about money and not kids. But kids can ALWAYS play up. It is not exclusionary, at all, by having it 8/1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So stupid. I mean really really stupid.

8/1 traps zero kids

Make it make sense.

Not true. There will always be trapped players because parents can always hold their kid back.

You're also assuming that avoiding the trapped player situation is why the change is being made. Also not true.

The change is being made to generally promote participation in the sport. Nationwide, a 9/1 cutoff groups school grade kids together the best. Translation: this is really about money for the sport through greater participation. It's not about a perfect solution.

Trapped by choice is very different than trapped with no choice 🙄 But you may be right about it being about money and not kids. But kids can ALWAYS play up. It is not exclusionary, at all, by having it 8/1.

I'll answer this by haiku:

business decision
not universal fairness
time to move along

[Anonymous]

Can we be accurate about the number of states with 8/1 cutoffs? Is it 14? I thought it was more like 5. 8/31 is a common cutoff, which is essentially the same as 9/1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So stupid. I mean really really stupid.

8/1 traps zero kids

Make it make sense.

Not true. There will always be trapped players because parents can always hold their kid back.

You're also assuming that avoiding the trapped player situation is why the change is being made. Also not true.

The change is being made to generally promote participation in the sport. Nationwide, a 9/1 cutoff groups school grade kids together the best. Translation: this is really about money for the sport through greater participation. It's not about a perfect solution.

Trapped by choice is very different than trapped with no choice 🙄 But you may be right about it being about money and not kids. But kids can ALWAYS play up. It is not exclusionary, at all, by having it 8/1.

Why you want to force the kids who go to school on time to play up, so your holdback kid can be the oldest?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we be accurate about the number of states with 8/1 cutoffs? Is it 14? I thought it was more like 5. 8/31 is a common cutoff, which is essentially the same as 9/1.

There’s a table with current dates and I
Counted 8 that were before 8/31. One was Hawaii.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we be accurate about the number of states with 8/1 cutoffs? Is it 14? I thought it was more like 5. 8/31 is a common cutoff, which is essentially the same as 9/1.

There’s a table with current dates and I
Counted 8 that were before 8/31. One was Hawaii.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab1_3-2020.asp

14 before 9/1 buy my count. And a handful of districts do their own thing (LEA option).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because of tryout schedules for 26/27, leagues are not waiting until spring 26 for direction. Obviously. I just don’t think ecnl is making a big announcement this week like some think. US soccer will reveal that 8/1 or 9/1 cutoff date for sure and whatever “support materials” to aid in the transition. The question is will GA and ECNL and MLSN reveal their intentions?

Everyone has to turn in their plan to US Soccer for approval. So we should know everyone’s plans in the next week or two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So stupid. I mean really really stupid.

8/1 traps zero kids

Make it make sense.

Not true. There will always be trapped players because parents can always hold their kid back.

You're also assuming that avoiding the trapped player situation is why the change is being made. Also not true.

The change is being made to generally promote participation in the sport. Nationwide, a 9/1 cutoff groups school grade kids together the best. Translation: this is really about money for the sport through greater participation. It's not about a perfect solution.

Trapped by choice is very different than trapped with no choice 🙄 But you may be right about it being about money and not kids. But kids can ALWAYS play up. It is not exclusionary, at all, by having it 8/1.

Why you want to force the kids who go to school on time to play up, so your holdback kid can be the oldest?

With a 9/1 cutoff date, August birthday kids who are young for their grade will still be the very youngest cohort in the 12-month span. If they go with 8/1 instead, those same kids either play up with their grade (with a kid potentially 13 months older rather than 12 months older), or can opt to play with the grade below and be the very oldest cohort. Doesn’t sound like a bad option set for those kids!

[Anonymous]

6 are 8/31. One day off of 9/1. I think 8/1 is the more comprehensive cutoff also, but 6 of those 14 states are essentially 9/1, or off by one day. So more like 8 states that could have a month of trapped kids