ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MLS next/ga/ea are staying birth year. I have a q4 boy who’s right on the margin, missed getting into mls academy by less than 5 roster spots. Switch to school year moves the needle drastically in our situation but probably hurts in the long run with mls next staying by.

You don’t know that. You hope that. MLSN isn’t picking roster spots by birth month, they’re picking them by skills.

What you’re saying is that there are attributes the coaches were looking for, and your kid was not talented enough, and there were 4-5 other kids who were a bit more talented than your kid that also missed the roster.

None of this is in a vacuum, your kids goes and works really hard for next year. Other kids above and below your kids skill also work really hard…where does it shake out next year at tryouts? Who knows? But age cutoff only adds complexity to the margin, not clarity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Q1 BY crowd is holding strong! That Gold Medal in mental gymnastics is theirs!

You’re an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:MLSN/GA have been working on their youth feeder systems. I was told last summer we will see some leagues decide to go full BY because they want to be affiliated with MLS.

The GA partnership has been in the works for a while because mlsn needs a girl partnership for clubs with boys and girls. So everyone can stay on the same BY alignment.

We will have states make their own SY cut offs and decide what works best. US club soccer will also have a set SY cut off for national and regional event.

ECNL going to use a nationalized cut off for their teams but more than likely college showcases will be based off what grade a kid is in. This will all start Fall 26.

US Club is the feeder system for almost all competitive soccer players in our area. MLSN/GA would have to create their own BY youth leagues nationwide to create their own feeder system. Maybe they are working on that, but I haven't seen any indication. It doesn't make sense for the US, logistically or economically to have 2 different registrations.

They will start getting local leagues to join them. Some already have. There will be BY leagues and they will be classified as the leagues for kids who want to be pros and national team players.

Obviously a SY kid could also that’s just what you will start hearing is a weaponization of BY is better because of this or SY is better because of that.

A line will be drawn a clubs and leagues will have to pick a side.

SoCal is moving to school year 9/1

Going to make mls next tryouts the following year a mess. U12 q4 will have to jump to u14

Where did you hear 9/1? I thought it was 8/1? Or that’s what it was before.

From a direct source, sy 9/1 a done deal.

Unlikely but this was a month ago and it could’ve changed. We’ll see

9/1 justification is based off tables like this.
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab5_3.asp

It’s not about population birth month distribution, it’s based off school cutoffs.

When they say “it helps the most kids”, they can’t actually quantify that, they have no idea if the June / July / August population is greater or less than the Sept / Oct / Nov / Dec population of kids.

It’s just “there are more post 9/1 school cutoffs than pre 9/1.” Ergo “most”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because of tryout schedules for 26/27, leagues are not waiting until spring 26 for direction. Obviously. I just don’t think ecnl is making a big announcement this week like some think. US soccer will reveal that 8/1 or 9/1 cutoff date for sure and whatever “support materials” to aid in the transition. The question is will GA and ECNL and MLSN reveal their intentions?

I think you maybe correct. US Soccer will put out a website a date with guidelines to follow. The question is will US Club follow up with that and after that will ECNL put their guidelines out? I doubt it will be all at once but possible as I am sure it has all been discussed by now as to what they are going to do either way.
Will US Soccer release before, during or after the meeting that’s what I want to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If 9/1, Why leave out those few states that 8/1 is the cutoff. Makes no sense. But then again, neither does waiting another 18 months to move to SY. Lazy, lazy clubs.

It’s not the clubs. It’s the leagues. And tbf, it was USSF that said no change until 26/27.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If 9/1, Why leave out those few states that 8/1 is the cutoff. Makes no sense. But then again, neither does waiting another 18 months to move to SY. Lazy, lazy clubs.

It’s not the clubs. It’s the leagues. And tbf, it was USSF that said no change until 26/27.

I think it will be 9/1 for US Club soccer. The waiting till 26 was a US Soccer thing but I don’t think US Club liked that decision as they were ready to go for 25 but were told that alignment with other leagues needed to happen. Now will ECNL go with 25 since they were ready and just keep it all within their league? We will see

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If 9/1, Why leave out those few states that 8/1 is the cutoff. Makes no sense. But then again, neither does waiting another 18 months to move to SY. Lazy, lazy clubs.

It’s not the clubs. It’s the leagues. And tbf, it was USSF that said no change until 26/27.

I think it will be 9/1 for US Club soccer. The waiting till 26 was a US Soccer thing but I don’t think US Club liked that decision as they were ready to go for 25 but were told that alignment with other leagues needed to happen. Now will ECNL go with 25 since they were ready and just keep it all within their league? We will see

They won’t. What do you people not understand about “no changes until 26/27”?

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Anonymous wrote:MLSN/GA have been working on their youth feeder systems. I was told last summer we will see some leagues decide to go full BY because they want to be affiliated with MLS.

The GA partnership has been in the works for a while because mlsn needs a girl partnership for clubs with boys and girls. So everyone can stay on the same BY alignment.

We will have states make their own SY cut offs and decide what works best. US club soccer will also have a set SY cut off for national and regional event.

ECNL going to use a nationalized cut off for their teams but more than likely college showcases will be based off what grade a kid is in. This will all start Fall 26.

US Club is the feeder system for almost all competitive soccer players in our area. MLSN/GA would have to create their own BY youth leagues nationwide to create their own feeder system. Maybe they are working on that, but I haven't seen any indication. It doesn't make sense for the US, logistically or economically to have 2 different registrations.

They will start getting local leagues to join them. Some already have. There will be BY leagues and they will be classified as the leagues for kids who want to be pros and national team players.

Obviously a SY kid could also that’s just what you will start hearing is a weaponization of BY is better because of this or SY is better because of that.

A line will be drawn a clubs and leagues will have to pick a side.

SoCal is moving to school year 9/1

Going to make mls next tryouts the following year a mess. U12 q4 will have to jump to u14

Where did you hear 9/1? I thought it was 8/1? Or that’s what it was before.

From a direct source, sy 9/1 a done deal.

Unlikely but this was a month ago and it could’ve changed. We’ll see

9/1 justification is based off tables like this.
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab5_3.asp

It’s not about population birth month distribution, it’s based off school cutoffs.

When they say “it helps the most kids”, they can’t actually quantify that, they have no idea if the June / July / August population is greater or less than the Sept / Oct / Nov / Dec population of kids.

It’s just “there are more post 9/1 school cutoffs than pre 9/1.” Ergo “most”

But that justification doesn't add up. If the goal is to capture most kids in the same school year, on a national level, then making the cutoff 9/1 doesn't accomplish that goal. I get that most have a cutoff of 9/1 or more, but there are a good number that are before. So, it makes the most sense to have the cutoff be 8/1 because that captures all the states, which is what national leagues should aim to do. There was a reason it was 8/1 before and for so long. 9/1 just doesn't make sense and is wanting to be different for the sake of being different.

[Anonymous]

Even though the cutoff is 9/1 in most states, school districts seem to be pretty liberal allowing parents to decide what is best for kids with August birthdays. It’s only a month. I hope the cutoff goes back to 8/1. It could be 8/1, plus in a certain grade.

[Anonymous]

Riddle me this...

Why switch to SY if by choosing 9/1 as a cutoff date that you still have trapped players?

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even though the cutoff is 9/1 in most states, school districts seem to be pretty liberal allowing parents to decide what is best for kids with August birthdays. It’s only a month. I hope the cutoff goes back to 8/1. It could be 8/1, plus in a certain grade.

Congrats to your August kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even though the cutoff is 9/1 in most states, school districts seem to be pretty liberal allowing parents to decide what is best for kids with August birthdays. It’s only a month. I hope the cutoff goes back to 8/1. It could be 8/1, plus in a certain grade.

Congrats to your August kid.

Congrats to your non-August kid. My point is that 9/1 isn’t really a cutoff when many August kids start late for legitimate reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:Even though the cutoff is 9/1 in most states, school districts seem to be pretty liberal allowing parents to decide what is best for kids with August birthdays. It’s only a month. I hope the cutoff goes back to 8/1. It could be 8/1, plus in a certain grade.

Congrats to your August kid.

Congrats to your non-August kid. My point is that 9/1 isn’t really a cutoff when many August kids start late for legitimate reasons.

There's no perfect system. Someone will always be at least 12-months younger (and it could get worse if people start playing around with GY and allowing older kids in for various reasons).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even though the cutoff is 9/1 in most states, school districts seem to be pretty liberal allowing parents to decide what is best for kids with August birthdays. It’s only a month. I hope the cutoff goes back to 8/1. It could be 8/1, plus in a certain grade.

Congrats to your August kid.

There are always going to be trapped players no matter what happens. Kids are often "held back" who are born anywhere between May and August.

The 9/1 cutoff is based on the traditional school year - nationwide. It's not perfect and there will still be trapped players. But a 9/1 cutoff will reflect the greatest amount of people in the same grade - and the point is to increase participation generally.

I'm sorry if your Jan kid won't be the biggest anymore. And I'm sorry if you have an August bday where the kid will (still) be trapped. It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Why can't it be 8/1 for some states and 9/1 for others depending on their school year cut-offs?