FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Setting a calendar reminder to start vetting these schools next summer:

https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-private-high-schools/s/virginia/

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I foresee a multitude of threads next year discussing the relative merits of NoVA private schools. Wonder if the school choice measure will pass next year.

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Anonymous wrote:I foresee a multitude of threads next year discussing the relative merits of NoVA private schools. Wonder if the school choice measure will pass next year.

The school board is doing everything it can to help it pass!

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Anonymous wrote:Wake up babe, new Mateo Dunne email just dropped. Not going to copy the whole thing here because it’s quite long, but specific situations are called out by name in the Mount Vernon district including the Whitman/Sandburg situation and the Halley attendance island. https://www.fcps.edu/aggregator/sources/19?utm_campaign+=&utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery#

This is what I found interesting:

"Over 100 students who live within walking distance of Mount Vernon Woods ES are assigned to attend Fort Hunt ES. They ride the bus every day past multiple elementary schools to arrive at Fort Hunt ES."

Removing those kids from Fort Hunt eliminates all of their FARMS students and sends them to a high FARMS school, so I don't see that happening.

I don't see how Whitman/Sandburg is solvable without creating more problems. If you give Sandburg to MVSH and Whitman to WPHS, the the walkable neighborhoods to Sandburg (in the Stratford Landing Boundary, across the street from Waynewood, both separated from MVHS by Ft Hunt) then you move more kids to MVHS than MVHS has capacity for. Moving Hollin Meadows to MVHS so Whitman is in the boundary Creates another island unless you move Stratford Landing as well, but then Sandburg outside of its boundaries

The only way to solve the Whitman/Sandburg issue is to build a new school building within the Mount Vernon boundaries. If you swap the schools, Sandburg will still be 100% bused for all the MVHS pyramid students. The building is too far of a walk for anyone who lives within the MVHS boundaries. When my kids were at Whitman, there was definitely a "disconnect" to the school and I think alot of it has to do with its location.

Whitman is where it is located because of a financial decision when Groveton HS and Fort Hunt HS merged to create West Potomac HS. The corresponding middle schools were merged and you had an empty school building. FCPS decided to move Whitman instead of renovate the building it was in (the original Mount Vernon HS on Rt. 1) and rent out the old building. That building is now owned by Fairfax County Government and NOT FCPS. I think that may have happened when Whitman moved back in the 1980s. Personally, I'd love to see Whitman move back to the original MVHS building but that's not going to happen.
https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/publicworks/capital-projects/original-mount-vernon-high-school

One way to potentially fix Whitman/Sandburg is to turn MVHS into a secondary school and have both middle schools feed to West Potomac. That would fill MVHS empty seats and keep all their schools in bounds. It would also open up space at Whitman/Sandburg to fulfill Reid’s dream of more 6-8 middle schools.

This would create a less disruptive path to open seats. West Potomac could pick up Mount Eagle and/or Cameron from Edison. Annandale could pick up Bren Mar Park, which is already a part of its pyramid. And then should Lewis close, it could be split between South County and Edison, with Key and Twain feeding to Edison as Reid’s beloved 6-8 feeders.

I really don’t see much appetite for new secondary schools. They were kind of a 60s-70s thing. When South County later opened, originally as a secondary school, it was with the explicit understanding that a new middle school would eventually get built and, when that happened, South County became a high school.

Nor does anyone seem to be very keen on more 6-8 middle schools. Reid seems to talk about it mostly to placate Ricardy Anderson, who is miffed that the middle schools in her district (Mason) are 6-8 outliers. She’d be happier if other schools followed the same model because misery loves company (she has also been pushing for years to shrink the enrollment of 6-8 Glasgow).

I don't think the 6-8 talk is so much to placate Ricardy Anderson as it is to try and free up more room at the Elementary Schools to enable Universal Pre-K.

Where will we get universal prek funding once we get vouchers and all the umc and mc families flee the sinking ship?

Most of FCPS is upper middle class or wealthy. There is no need for universal PreK in this district.

FCPS is 34% FARMS. By your logic that means less than 16% of FCPS students are from LMC or MC families combined, with >50% UMC or wealthy.

Tell me you're out of touch without telling me you're out of touch.

If only 34% of FCPS is FARMS, then yes, most of FCPS is upper middle class (feds, military, contractors, etc) or wealthy.

I love how you just completely ignore where the majority of population actually exists: above the FARMS cutoffs, but below UMC. Thank you for continuing to make my point.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake up babe, new Mateo Dunne email just dropped. Not going to copy the whole thing here because it’s quite long, but specific situations are called out by name in the Mount Vernon district including the Whitman/Sandburg situation and the Halley attendance island. https://www.fcps.edu/aggregator/sources/19?utm_campaign+=&utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery#

This is what I found interesting:

"Over 100 students who live within walking distance of Mount Vernon Woods ES are assigned to attend Fort Hunt ES. They ride the bus every day past multiple elementary schools to arrive at Fort Hunt ES."

Removing those kids from Fort Hunt eliminates all of their FARMS students and sends them to a high FARMS school, so I don't see that happening.

I don't see how Whitman/Sandburg is solvable without creating more problems. If you give Sandburg to MVSH and Whitman to WPHS, the the walkable neighborhoods to Sandburg (in the Stratford Landing Boundary, across the street from Waynewood, both separated from MVHS by Ft Hunt) then you move more kids to MVHS than MVHS has capacity for. Moving Hollin Meadows to MVHS so Whitman is in the boundary Creates another island unless you move Stratford Landing as well, but then Sandburg outside of its boundaries

The only way to solve the Whitman/Sandburg issue is to build a new school building within the Mount Vernon boundaries. If you swap the schools, Sandburg will still be 100% bused for all the MVHS pyramid students. The building is too far of a walk for anyone who lives within the MVHS boundaries. When my kids were at Whitman, there was definitely a "disconnect" to the school and I think alot of it has to do with its location.

Whitman is where it is located because of a financial decision when Groveton HS and Fort Hunt HS merged to create West Potomac HS. The corresponding middle schools were merged and you had an empty school building. FCPS decided to move Whitman instead of renovate the building it was in (the original Mount Vernon HS on Rt. 1) and rent out the old building. That building is now owned by Fairfax County Government and NOT FCPS. I think that may have happened when Whitman moved back in the 1980s. Personally, I'd love to see Whitman move back to the original MVHS building but that's not going to happen.
https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/publicworks/capital-projects/original-mount-vernon-high-school

One way to potentially fix Whitman/Sandburg is to turn MVHS into a secondary school and have both middle schools feed to West Potomac. That would fill MVHS empty seats and keep all their schools in bounds. It would also open up space at Whitman/Sandburg to fulfill Reid’s dream of more 6-8 middle schools.

This would create a less disruptive path to open seats. West Potomac could pick up Mount Eagle and/or Cameron from Edison. Annandale could pick up Bren Mar Park, which is already a part of its pyramid. And then should Lewis close, it could be split between South County and Edison, with Key and Twain feeding to Edison as Reid’s beloved 6-8 feeders.

I really don’t see much appetite for new secondary schools. They were kind of a 60s-70s thing. When South County later opened, originally as a secondary school, it was with the explicit understanding that a new middle school would eventually get built and, when that happened, South County became a high school.

Nor does anyone seem to be very keen on more 6-8 middle schools. Reid seems to talk about it mostly to placate Ricardy Anderson, who is miffed that the middle schools in her district (Mason) are 6-8 outliers. She’d be happier if other schools followed the same model because misery loves company (she has also been pushing for years to shrink the enrollment of 6-8 Glasgow).

I don't think the 6-8 talk is so much to placate Ricardy Anderson as it is to try and free up more room at the Elementary Schools to enable Universal Pre-K.

Where will we get universal prek funding once we get vouchers and all the umc and mc families flee the sinking ship?

Most of FCPS is upper middle class or wealthy. There is no need for universal PreK in this district.

FCPS is 34% FARMS. By your logic that means less than 16% of FCPS students are from LMC or MC families combined, with >50% UMC or wealthy.

Tell me you're out of touch without telling me you're out of touch.

If only 34% of FCPS is FARMS, then yes, most of FCPS is upper middle class (feds, military, contractors, etc) or wealthy.

I love how you just completely ignore where the majority of population actually exists: above the FARMS cutoffs, but below UMC. Thank you for continuing to make my point.

Continuing to make your point: most every single income military, fed, contractor family is below UMC.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake up babe, new Mateo Dunne email just dropped. Not going to copy the whole thing here because it’s quite long, but specific situations are called out by name in the Mount Vernon district including the Whitman/Sandburg situation and the Halley attendance island. https://www.fcps.edu/aggregator/sources/19?utm_campaign+=&utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery#

This is what I found interesting:

"Over 100 students who live within walking distance of Mount Vernon Woods ES are assigned to attend Fort Hunt ES. They ride the bus every day past multiple elementary schools to arrive at Fort Hunt ES."

Removing those kids from Fort Hunt eliminates all of their FARMS students and sends them to a high FARMS school, so I don't see that happening.

I don't see how Whitman/Sandburg is solvable without creating more problems. If you give Sandburg to MVSH and Whitman to WPHS, the the walkable neighborhoods to Sandburg (in the Stratford Landing Boundary, across the street from Waynewood, both separated from MVHS by Ft Hunt) then you move more kids to MVHS than MVHS has capacity for. Moving Hollin Meadows to MVHS so Whitman is in the boundary Creates another island unless you move Stratford Landing as well, but then Sandburg outside of its boundaries

The only way to solve the Whitman/Sandburg issue is to build a new school building within the Mount Vernon boundaries. If you swap the schools, Sandburg will still be 100% bused for all the MVHS pyramid students. The building is too far of a walk for anyone who lives within the MVHS boundaries. When my kids were at Whitman, there was definitely a "disconnect" to the school and I think alot of it has to do with its location.

Whitman is where it is located because of a financial decision when Groveton HS and Fort Hunt HS merged to create West Potomac HS. The corresponding middle schools were merged and you had an empty school building. FCPS decided to move Whitman instead of renovate the building it was in (the original Mount Vernon HS on Rt. 1) and rent out the old building. That building is now owned by Fairfax County Government and NOT FCPS. I think that may have happened when Whitman moved back in the 1980s. Personally, I'd love to see Whitman move back to the original MVHS building but that's not going to happen.
https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/publicworks/capital-projects/original-mount-vernon-high-school

One way to potentially fix Whitman/Sandburg is to turn MVHS into a secondary school and have both middle schools feed to West Potomac. That would fill MVHS empty seats and keep all their schools in bounds. It would also open up space at Whitman/Sandburg to fulfill Reid’s dream of more 6-8 middle schools.

This would create a less disruptive path to open seats. West Potomac could pick up Mount Eagle and/or Cameron from Edison. Annandale could pick up Bren Mar Park, which is already a part of its pyramid. And then should Lewis close, it could be split between South County and Edison, with Key and Twain feeding to Edison as Reid’s beloved 6-8 feeders.

I really don’t see much appetite for new secondary schools. They were kind of a 60s-70s thing. When South County later opened, originally as a secondary school, it was with the explicit understanding that a new middle school would eventually get built and, when that happened, South County became a high school.

Nor does anyone seem to be very keen on more 6-8 middle schools. Reid seems to talk about it mostly to placate Ricardy Anderson, who is miffed that the middle schools in her district (Mason) are 6-8 outliers. She’d be happier if other schools followed the same model because misery loves company (she has also been pushing for years to shrink the enrollment of 6-8 Glasgow).

I don't think the 6-8 talk is so much to placate Ricardy Anderson as it is to try and free up more room at the Elementary Schools to enable Universal Pre-K.

Where will we get universal prek funding once we get vouchers and all the umc and mc families flee the sinking ship?

Most of FCPS is upper middle class or wealthy. There is no need for universal PreK in this district.

FCPS is 34% FARMS. By your logic that means less than 16% of FCPS students are from LMC or MC families combined, with >50% UMC or wealthy.

Tell me you're out of touch without telling me you're out of touch.

If only 34% of FCPS is FARMS, then yes, most of FCPS is upper middle class (feds, military, contractors, etc) or wealthy.

I love how you just completely ignore where the majority of population actually exists: above the FARMS cutoffs, but below UMC. Thank you for continuing to make my point.

Continuing to make your point: most every single income military, fed, contractor family is below UMC.

Nope, even a GS-13 can make $150K at the higher steps. That's UMC.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake up babe, new Mateo Dunne email just dropped. Not going to copy the whole thing here because it’s quite long, but specific situations are called out by name in the Mount Vernon district including the Whitman/Sandburg situation and the Halley attendance island. https://www.fcps.edu/aggregator/sources/19?utm_campaign+=&utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery#

This is what I found interesting:

"Over 100 students who live within walking distance of Mount Vernon Woods ES are assigned to attend Fort Hunt ES. They ride the bus every day past multiple elementary schools to arrive at Fort Hunt ES."

Removing those kids from Fort Hunt eliminates all of their FARMS students and sends them to a high FARMS school, so I don't see that happening.

I don't see how Whitman/Sandburg is solvable without creating more problems. If you give Sandburg to MVSH and Whitman to WPHS, the the walkable neighborhoods to Sandburg (in the Stratford Landing Boundary, across the street from Waynewood, both separated from MVHS by Ft Hunt) then you move more kids to MVHS than MVHS has capacity for. Moving Hollin Meadows to MVHS so Whitman is in the boundary Creates another island unless you move Stratford Landing as well, but then Sandburg outside of its boundaries

The only way to solve the Whitman/Sandburg issue is to build a new school building within the Mount Vernon boundaries. If you swap the schools, Sandburg will still be 100% bused for all the MVHS pyramid students. The building is too far of a walk for anyone who lives within the MVHS boundaries. When my kids were at Whitman, there was definitely a "disconnect" to the school and I think alot of it has to do with its location.

Whitman is where it is located because of a financial decision when Groveton HS and Fort Hunt HS merged to create West Potomac HS. The corresponding middle schools were merged and you had an empty school building. FCPS decided to move Whitman instead of renovate the building it was in (the original Mount Vernon HS on Rt. 1) and rent out the old building. That building is now owned by Fairfax County Government and NOT FCPS. I think that may have happened when Whitman moved back in the 1980s. Personally, I'd love to see Whitman move back to the original MVHS building but that's not going to happen.
https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/publicworks/capital-projects/original-mount-vernon-high-school

One way to potentially fix Whitman/Sandburg is to turn MVHS into a secondary school and have both middle schools feed to West Potomac. That would fill MVHS empty seats and keep all their schools in bounds. It would also open up space at Whitman/Sandburg to fulfill Reid’s dream of more 6-8 middle schools.

This would create a less disruptive path to open seats. West Potomac could pick up Mount Eagle and/or Cameron from Edison. Annandale could pick up Bren Mar Park, which is already a part of its pyramid. And then should Lewis close, it could be split between South County and Edison, with Key and Twain feeding to Edison as Reid’s beloved 6-8 feeders.

I really don’t see much appetite for new secondary schools. They were kind of a 60s-70s thing. When South County later opened, originally as a secondary school, it was with the explicit understanding that a new middle school would eventually get built and, when that happened, South County became a high school.

Nor does anyone seem to be very keen on more 6-8 middle schools. Reid seems to talk about it mostly to placate Ricardy Anderson, who is miffed that the middle schools in her district (Mason) are 6-8 outliers. She’d be happier if other schools followed the same model because misery loves company (she has also been pushing for years to shrink the enrollment of 6-8 Glasgow).

I don't think the 6-8 talk is so much to placate Ricardy Anderson as it is to try and free up more room at the Elementary Schools to enable Universal Pre-K.

Where will we get universal prek funding once we get vouchers and all the umc and mc families flee the sinking ship?

Most of FCPS is upper middle class or wealthy. There is no need for universal PreK in this district.

FCPS is 34% FARMS. By your logic that means less than 16% of FCPS students are from LMC or MC families combined, with >50% UMC or wealthy.

Tell me you're out of touch without telling me you're out of touch.

If only 34% of FCPS is FARMS, then yes, most of FCPS is upper middle class (feds, military, contractors, etc) or wealthy.

I love how you just completely ignore where the majority of population actually exists: above the FARMS cutoffs, but below UMC. Thank you for continuing to make my point.

Continuing to make your point: most every single income military, fed, contractor family is below UMC.

Nope, even a GS-13 can make $150K at the higher steps. That's UMC.

A family of 4 in FFX county making $150K hardly sounds UMC to me. This article suggests a family of 4 in VA needs to make $235K to "live comfortably". I'd wager that's actually a bit higher in FFX specifically. If your definition of UMC isn't one that allows a family to "live comfortably", then I think you have a skewed definition of UMC.

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Here's the source study... $275k for DC.

https://smartasset.com/data-studies/salary-needed-live-comfortably-2024

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Anonymous wrote:Wake up babe, new Mateo Dunne email just dropped. Not going to copy the whole thing here because it’s quite long, but specific situations are called out by name in the Mount Vernon district including the Whitman/Sandburg situation and the Halley attendance island. https://www.fcps.edu/aggregator/sources/19?utm_campaign+=&utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery#

This is what I found interesting:

"Over 100 students who live within walking distance of Mount Vernon Woods ES are assigned to attend Fort Hunt ES. They ride the bus every day past multiple elementary schools to arrive at Fort Hunt ES."

Removing those kids from Fort Hunt eliminates all of their FARMS students and sends them to a high FARMS school, so I don't see that happening.

I don't see how Whitman/Sandburg is solvable without creating more problems. If you give Sandburg to MVSH and Whitman to WPHS, the the walkable neighborhoods to Sandburg (in the Stratford Landing Boundary, across the street from Waynewood, both separated from MVHS by Ft Hunt) then you move more kids to MVHS than MVHS has capacity for. Moving Hollin Meadows to MVHS so Whitman is in the boundary Creates another island unless you move Stratford Landing as well, but then Sandburg outside of its boundaries

The only way to solve the Whitman/Sandburg issue is to build a new school building within the Mount Vernon boundaries. If you swap the schools, Sandburg will still be 100% bused for all the MVHS pyramid students. The building is too far of a walk for anyone who lives within the MVHS boundaries. When my kids were at Whitman, there was definitely a "disconnect" to the school and I think alot of it has to do with its location.

Whitman is where it is located because of a financial decision when Groveton HS and Fort Hunt HS merged to create West Potomac HS. The corresponding middle schools were merged and you had an empty school building. FCPS decided to move Whitman instead of renovate the building it was in (the original Mount Vernon HS on Rt. 1) and rent out the old building. That building is now owned by Fairfax County Government and NOT FCPS. I think that may have happened when Whitman moved back in the 1980s. Personally, I'd love to see Whitman move back to the original MVHS building but that's not going to happen.
https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/publicworks/capital-projects/original-mount-vernon-high-school

One way to potentially fix Whitman/Sandburg is to turn MVHS into a secondary school and have both middle schools feed to West Potomac. That would fill MVHS empty seats and keep all their schools in bounds. It would also open up space at Whitman/Sandburg to fulfill Reid’s dream of more 6-8 middle schools.

This would create a less disruptive path to open seats. West Potomac could pick up Mount Eagle and/or Cameron from Edison. Annandale could pick up Bren Mar Park, which is already a part of its pyramid. And then should Lewis close, it could be split between South County and Edison, with Key and Twain feeding to Edison as Reid’s beloved 6-8 feeders.

I really don’t see much appetite for new secondary schools. They were kind of a 60s-70s thing. When South County later opened, originally as a secondary school, it was with the explicit understanding that a new middle school would eventually get built and, when that happened, South County became a high school.

Nor does anyone seem to be very keen on more 6-8 middle schools. Reid seems to talk about it mostly to placate Ricardy Anderson, who is miffed that the middle schools in her district (Mason) are 6-8 outliers. She’d be happier if other schools followed the same model because misery loves company (she has also been pushing for years to shrink the enrollment of 6-8 Glasgow).

I don't think the 6-8 talk is so much to placate Ricardy Anderson as it is to try and free up more room at the Elementary Schools to enable Universal Pre-K.

Where will we get universal prek funding once we get vouchers and all the umc and mc families flee the sinking ship?

Most of FCPS is upper middle class or wealthy. There is no need for universal PreK in this district.

FCPS is 34% FARMS. By your logic that means less than 16% of FCPS students are from LMC or MC families combined, with >50% UMC or wealthy.

Tell me you're out of touch without telling me you're out of touch.

If only 34% of FCPS is FARMS, then yes, most of FCPS is upper middle class (feds, military, contractors, etc) or wealthy.

I love how you just completely ignore where the majority of population actually exists: above the FARMS cutoffs, but below UMC. Thank you for continuing to make my point.

Continuing to make your point: most every single income military, fed, contractor family is below UMC.

GS12 and higher make 6 figures. The same with many of the military stationed here. Those are upper middle class incomes.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake up babe, new Mateo Dunne email just dropped. Not going to copy the whole thing here because it’s quite long, but specific situations are called out by name in the Mount Vernon district including the Whitman/Sandburg situation and the Halley attendance island. https://www.fcps.edu/aggregator/sources/19?utm_campaign+=&utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery#

This is what I found interesting:

"Over 100 students who live within walking distance of Mount Vernon Woods ES are assigned to attend Fort Hunt ES. They ride the bus every day past multiple elementary schools to arrive at Fort Hunt ES."

Removing those kids from Fort Hunt eliminates all of their FARMS students and sends them to a high FARMS school, so I don't see that happening.

I don't see how Whitman/Sandburg is solvable without creating more problems. If you give Sandburg to MVSH and Whitman to WPHS, the the walkable neighborhoods to Sandburg (in the Stratford Landing Boundary, across the street from Waynewood, both separated from MVHS by Ft Hunt) then you move more kids to MVHS than MVHS has capacity for. Moving Hollin Meadows to MVHS so Whitman is in the boundary Creates another island unless you move Stratford Landing as well, but then Sandburg outside of its boundaries

The only way to solve the Whitman/Sandburg issue is to build a new school building within the Mount Vernon boundaries. If you swap the schools, Sandburg will still be 100% bused for all the MVHS pyramid students. The building is too far of a walk for anyone who lives within the MVHS boundaries. When my kids were at Whitman, there was definitely a "disconnect" to the school and I think alot of it has to do with its location.

Whitman is where it is located because of a financial decision when Groveton HS and Fort Hunt HS merged to create West Potomac HS. The corresponding middle schools were merged and you had an empty school building. FCPS decided to move Whitman instead of renovate the building it was in (the original Mount Vernon HS on Rt. 1) and rent out the old building. That building is now owned by Fairfax County Government and NOT FCPS. I think that may have happened when Whitman moved back in the 1980s. Personally, I'd love to see Whitman move back to the original MVHS building but that's not going to happen.
https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/publicworks/capital-projects/original-mount-vernon-high-school

One way to potentially fix Whitman/Sandburg is to turn MVHS into a secondary school and have both middle schools feed to West Potomac. That would fill MVHS empty seats and keep all their schools in bounds. It would also open up space at Whitman/Sandburg to fulfill Reid’s dream of more 6-8 middle schools.

This would create a less disruptive path to open seats. West Potomac could pick up Mount Eagle and/or Cameron from Edison. Annandale could pick up Bren Mar Park, which is already a part of its pyramid. And then should Lewis close, it could be split between South County and Edison, with Key and Twain feeding to Edison as Reid’s beloved 6-8 feeders.

I really don’t see much appetite for new secondary schools. They were kind of a 60s-70s thing. When South County later opened, originally as a secondary school, it was with the explicit understanding that a new middle school would eventually get built and, when that happened, South County became a high school.

Nor does anyone seem to be very keen on more 6-8 middle schools. Reid seems to talk about it mostly to placate Ricardy Anderson, who is miffed that the middle schools in her district (Mason) are 6-8 outliers. She’d be happier if other schools followed the same model because misery loves company (she has also been pushing for years to shrink the enrollment of 6-8 Glasgow).

I don't think the 6-8 talk is so much to placate Ricardy Anderson as it is to try and free up more room at the Elementary Schools to enable Universal Pre-K.

Where will we get universal prek funding once we get vouchers and all the umc and mc families flee the sinking ship?

Most of FCPS is upper middle class or wealthy. There is no need for universal PreK in this district.

FCPS is 34% FARMS. By your logic that means less than 16% of FCPS students are from LMC or MC families combined, with >50% UMC or wealthy.

Tell me you're out of touch without telling me you're out of touch.

If only 34% of FCPS is FARMS, then yes, most of FCPS is upper middle class (feds, military, contractors, etc) or wealthy.

I love how you just completely ignore where the majority of population actually exists: above the FARMS cutoffs, but below UMC. Thank you for continuing to make my point.

Continuing to make your point: most every single income military, fed, contractor family is below UMC.

Nope, even a GS-13 can make $150K at the higher steps. That's UMC.

Most people in the Federal government are below a GS13.

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So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

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Ugh too many kids at westfield already.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh too many kids at westfield already.

Room at Herndon supposedly.

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Anonymous wrote:So anyway, over under on how many centreville and Chantilly kids get moved to Westfield?

Isn't Chantilly considered a "neighborhood school?" So many families in the Greenbrier, Brookfield and Poplar Tree neighborhoods that are all walkers to the school. Would they really move kids who walk to school now miles away and have to move them by bus?

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Anonymous wrote:Wake up babe, new Mateo Dunne email just dropped. Not going to copy the whole thing here because it’s quite long, but specific situations are called out by name in the Mount Vernon district including the Whitman/Sandburg situation and the Halley attendance island. https://www.fcps.edu/aggregator/sources/19?utm_campaign+=&utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery#

This is what I found interesting:

"Over 100 students who live within walking distance of Mount Vernon Woods ES are assigned to attend Fort Hunt ES. They ride the bus every day past multiple elementary schools to arrive at Fort Hunt ES."

Removing those kids from Fort Hunt eliminates all of their FARMS students and sends them to a high FARMS school, so I don't see that happening.

I don't see how Whitman/Sandburg is solvable without creating more problems. If you give Sandburg to MVSH and Whitman to WPHS, the the walkable neighborhoods to Sandburg (in the Stratford Landing Boundary, across the street from Waynewood, both separated from MVHS by Ft Hunt) then you move more kids to MVHS than MVHS has capacity for. Moving Hollin Meadows to MVHS so Whitman is in the boundary Creates another island unless you move Stratford Landing as well, but then Sandburg outside of its boundaries

The only way to solve the Whitman/Sandburg issue is to build a new school building within the Mount Vernon boundaries. If you swap the schools, Sandburg will still be 100% bused for all the MVHS pyramid students. The building is too far of a walk for anyone who lives within the MVHS boundaries. When my kids were at Whitman, there was definitely a "disconnect" to the school and I think alot of it has to do with its location.

Whitman is where it is located because of a financial decision when Groveton HS and Fort Hunt HS merged to create West Potomac HS. The corresponding middle schools were merged and you had an empty school building. FCPS decided to move Whitman instead of renovate the building it was in (the original Mount Vernon HS on Rt. 1) and rent out the old building. That building is now owned by Fairfax County Government and NOT FCPS. I think that may have happened when Whitman moved back in the 1980s. Personally, I'd love to see Whitman move back to the original MVHS building but that's not going to happen.
https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/publicworks/capital-projects/original-mount-vernon-high-school

One way to potentially fix Whitman/Sandburg is to turn MVHS into a secondary school and have both middle schools feed to West Potomac. That would fill MVHS empty seats and keep all their schools in bounds. It would also open up space at Whitman/Sandburg to fulfill Reid’s dream of more 6-8 middle schools.

This would create a less disruptive path to open seats. West Potomac could pick up Mount Eagle and/or Cameron from Edison. Annandale could pick up Bren Mar Park, which is already a part of its pyramid. And then should Lewis close, it could be split between South County and Edison, with Key and Twain feeding to Edison as Reid’s beloved 6-8 feeders.

I really don’t see much appetite for new secondary schools. They were kind of a 60s-70s thing. When South County later opened, originally as a secondary school, it was with the explicit understanding that a new middle school would eventually get built and, when that happened, South County became a high school.

Nor does anyone seem to be very keen on more 6-8 middle schools. Reid seems to talk about it mostly to placate Ricardy Anderson, who is miffed that the middle schools in her district (Mason) are 6-8 outliers. She’d be happier if other schools followed the same model because misery loves company (she has also been pushing for years to shrink the enrollment of 6-8 Glasgow).

I don't think the 6-8 talk is so much to placate Ricardy Anderson as it is to try and free up more room at the Elementary Schools to enable Universal Pre-K.

Where will we get universal prek funding once we get vouchers and all the umc and mc families flee the sinking ship?

Most of FCPS is upper middle class or wealthy. There is no need for universal PreK in this district.

FCPS is 34% FARMS. By your logic that means less than 16% of FCPS students are from LMC or MC families combined, with >50% UMC or wealthy.

Tell me you're out of touch without telling me you're out of touch.

If only 34% of FCPS is FARMS, then yes, most of FCPS is upper middle class (feds, military, contractors, etc) or wealthy.

I love how you just completely ignore where the majority of population actually exists: above the FARMS cutoffs, but below UMC. Thank you for continuing to make my point.

Continuing to make your point: most every single income military, fed, contractor family is below UMC.

Nope, even a GS-13 can make $150K at the higher steps. That's UMC.

Most people in the Federal government are below a GS13.

According to the census data, Fairfax County has:

A 68.6 point owner occupied housing rate (higher than the national average of 64.4)

A 64.1 rate of bachelors degree or higher (nearly double the national average of 34.3)

A median household income of $145,165 (almost double the national average of $75,149)

AND

A poverty rate of only 5.9% (slightly over half the national poverty rate of 11.1%)

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/fairfaxcountyvirginia/PST045223

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/VET605221


The facts are indisputable.

Fairfax County has a low rate of poverty, and an income that is decidedly upper middle class.