3 children dead in private Christian elementary school shooting in TN

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Don’t necessarily disagree but I’m also blaming my blue city leadership that doesn’t adequately punish gun crime. We could ALL do better.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

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Anonymous wrote:The manifesto is going to be released:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nashville-shooter-audrey-hale-s-manifesto-to-be-released-official/ar-AA19f7c5

Like a lot of people, I'll read it out of general interest, but it's not going to change the fact that it was written by a disturbed person with guns who wanted to get famous and commit suicide by cop. I mean, does it really matter what reasons these killers give for why they kill? They all have some kind of grievances, real or imagined, and they are clearly intent on dying and taking others with them in a very newsworthy fashion. The only mass killer in recent history whose motives I'd like to know is the Las Vegas shooter. He killed 60 people and wounded 100s of others and nobody knows why.

+1 doesn't matter any more than the Buffalo grocery racist shooter nor the congressional baseball game shooter. It's all just a reason to deflect from...

What can we do to decrease gun deaths? Also nobody is daying eliminate. Reduce. Gunshot wounds are the number one cause of death in the US and tje GOP is deflecting with legislation about trans kids and books. GUNS ARE THE ACTUAL DANGER.

I'm the PP you are responding to and I totally agree. What I didn't add is that the RWNJs will be all over the TN shooter's "manifesto" because of the transgender angle. They will use anything they can about this shooter's background to further fuel their anti-trans bias and, as you say, to deflect from the real problem: TOO MANY DAMN GUNS!

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

I live in a blue city where criminals are arrested and released to commit violent crimes repeatedly.

Sure but reducing access to guns from red states would statistically reduce deaths. Drive by knifings can happen but less easy and less likely and innocent kid or passerby gets caught in the crossfire as has happened within blocks of where I live. So sure, enforce laws against violent offenders, but ALSO do not ignore the fact that the 13 year old armed carjackers are using illegally sourced guns straw purchased in red states.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

What blue state gun laws removes guns from circulation?

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

Don't worry. Americans love their "freedumb" and individualism too much. We're not in danger of becoming a police state. Unless you or someone in your family wants to get an abortion...

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

Implement the law moving forward and do rewards for turning in guns. But no to confiscation. Just because we don't confiscate doesn't mean we don't implement a law moving forward. It doesn't mean police state just to implement existing blue state laws at a federal level, that's ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

What blue state gun laws removes guns from circulation?

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

So in a free country, 400 million guns outnumber the what 78 million children in the states so every single shooter game held impromptu in a school is what, helping kids freely test their reflexes? I mean those numbers don’t lie right?

It’s a shame swallowing isn’t allowed in Communist states.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

PP here. My husband and I don't have any guns, but the violent crimes being committed dont have to involve guns. Lock violent criminals away for life.

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

I live in a blue city where criminals are arrested and released to commit violent crimes repeatedly.

Sure but reducing access to guns from red states would statistically reduce deaths. Drive by knifings can happen but less easy and less likely and innocent kid or passerby gets caught in the crossfire as has happened within blocks of where I live. So sure, enforce laws against violent offenders, but ALSO do not ignore the fact that the 13 year old armed carjackers are using illegally sourced guns straw purchased in red states.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

So in a free country, 400 million guns outnumber the what 78 million children in the states so every single shooter game held impromptu in a school is what, helping kids freely test their reflexes? I mean those numbers don’t lie right?

It’s a shame swallowing isn’t allowed in Communist states.

The genie is out of the box.

If you want to stop mass shootings you have to get the guns out of circulation.

How do you propose doing that? Even if we somehow stop manufacturing of new guns, the existing supply is so huge that mass shooters will be able to access them throughout our lifetimes.

Do we give up our other rights?

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

So in a free country, 400 million guns outnumber the what 78 million children in the states so every single shooter game held impromptu in a school is what, helping kids freely test their reflexes? I mean those numbers don’t lie right?

It’s a shame swallowing isn’t allowed in Communist states.

The genie is out of the box.

If you want to stop mass shootings you have to get the guns out of circulation.

How do you propose doing that? Even if we somehow stop manufacturing of new guns, the existing supply is so huge that mass shooters will be able to access them throughout our lifetimes.

Do we give up our other rights?

No because mass shootings are generally done within a short time after the purchaser acquires the guns. Majority of mass shootings use legally purchased guns. Mass shooters aren't routine criminals with the know how to obtain illegal guns. The purchasing of seven guns by one person in TN should have triggered a red flag

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

So in a free country, 400 million guns outnumber the what 78 million children in the states so every single shooter game held impromptu in a school is what, helping kids freely test their reflexes? I mean those numbers don’t lie right?

It’s a shame swallowing isn’t allowed in Communist states.

The genie is out of the box.

If you want to stop mass shootings you have to get the guns out of circulation.

How do you propose doing that? Even if we somehow stop manufacturing of new guns, the existing supply is so huge that mass shooters will be able to access them throughout our lifetimes.

Do we give up our other rights?

The executive is in this instance the only hope. Since the GOP strategy of gerrymandering, disenfranchisement at the state level, and perverted read of originalism and Fed Society candidates have made the other branches useless in countering the crisis, it would take a pastiche of executive acts and orders and use of resources to engage in a confiscation campaign. Offer small rewards and buybacks and confiscate caches. It’s a rough idea but I’m trying to dream and hope here, because I know that GOP termites have eaten away the other branches. You may want to raise your kids where mass murder being commonplace in public accommodations and in public education produces just hand-wringing. But I don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

So in a free country, 400 million guns outnumber the what 78 million children in the states so every single shooter game held impromptu in a school is what, helping kids freely test their reflexes? I mean those numbers don’t lie right?

It’s a shame swallowing isn’t allowed in Communist states.

The genie is out of the box.

If you want to stop mass shootings you have to get the guns out of circulation.

How do you propose doing that? Even if we somehow stop manufacturing of new guns, the existing supply is so huge that mass shooters will be able to access them throughout our lifetimes.

Do we give up our other rights?

NP.
1) Not sure what other rights you’re taking about.
2) what rights are more important than a child’s life? Your right to own an automatic weapon whose only purpose is inflicting massive damage in a short period of time?
3) if you cannot imagine possible, organized, calm ways to take guns out of circulation I don’t know what to tell you. Not to mention this objection completely misses the point. If gums need to be gone I’m sure there can be ways to implement that.

FWIW Sandy Hook was the moment I felt this country lost the right to own guns. As a society we aren’t able to keep guns in the general population without children loosing their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

So in a free country, 400 million guns outnumber the what 78 million children in the states so every single shooter game held impromptu in a school is what, helping kids freely test their reflexes? I mean those numbers don’t lie right?

It’s a shame swallowing isn’t allowed in Communist states.

The genie is out of the box.

If you want to stop mass shootings you have to get the guns out of circulation.

How do you propose doing that? Even if we somehow stop manufacturing of new guns, the existing supply is so huge that mass shooters will be able to access them throughout our lifetimes.

Do we give up our other rights?

No because mass shootings are generally done within a short time after the purchaser acquires the guns. Majority of mass shootings use legally purchased guns. Mass shooters aren't routine criminals with the know how to obtain illegal guns. The purchasing of seven guns by one person in TN should have triggered a red flag

But that kind of red flag will never pass at the state nor at the federal level. It’s a horrible ironic trap - since school shooters typically AREN’T felons and in fact usually have almost no prior contact with law enforcement, voters in crazily carved out districts who are 2A above all else won’t permit reasonable restrictions. And the House is generally at minimum stacked with 1/3 crazy reps from these kinds of districts.