A data-backed approach to understand the TJ Admissions Process
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Anonymous
Never. Everyone discriminates against Asians. Did anyone see the controversy last night about the way that newsman spoke about that Asian MLB player (Ohtani?) yesterday? He was disparaging him because he needs an interpreter for interviews, saying it's bad for MLB because people don't want to see that. I guarantee no one would ever say that about the Hispanic MLB players that have needed interpreters. People who claim they're not racist have no qualms about being racist toward Asians. |
Anonymous
The only kids impacted by that were the kids this year, next years class can choose to return to their base school right now. Given that there are people talking about renting apartments and moving their kids to a new school next year, this option should be even easier for you since you live in the base schools area. |
Anonymous
it’s all talk, I doubt parents will enroll their kids in URM just to get in TJ. |
Anonymous
Who the hell are you to decide who is a real multiracial family!!! |
Anonymous
I knew someone would say this - move to base school now. 😅 We are debating this, but my kid signed up certain continued electives which he planned carefully and then all his friends are in AAP center school. My kid currently not showing interest since if he doesn’t get into TJ from base school, he would be giving up all for nothing. It would have been an easier choice for his class/friends last year. Again, you could say friends come and go and electives don’t matter etc. I know you wouldn’t understand where we are coming from as I am sure your kid is either not in middle school or in base school. I hope this leads to getting rid of AAP centers in middle schools, so kids aren’t required to make this choice. My personal opinion, TJ is just a hype, it doesn’t really matter much in the long run. If kids are motivated, they can do well in any school (I still think AAP matters due to accelerated math). It is just unfortunate that some parents and kids have play games to change schools to gain advantage, and it reflects bad on the admission process. |
Anonymous
The person you're responding to thinks you aren't multiracial if you aren't poor. And they probably think that white/Asian is not a real "multiracial" mix. Neither is white/Arab or Arab/Asian. |
Anonymous
There were pros and cons for moving to an AAP Center before this new rule came into play, I am going to go out on a limb that most families are aware that their chances of getting into TJ from any of the Center schools, even before the rule change, was still small. Lots of kids were not accepted under the old rules. The new rules shift the effected schools around a bit. Parents should be making decisions based on what they think is best for their child. TJ is a great option but it is not the end all and be all. Kids who have high grades and lots of STEM interest were not accepted into TJ and have done very well at their base school. The same will be true for kids this year and next year. If parents think their kids are better off at an AAP Center for MS because of the cohort or the extra curricular activities or the Teachers or whatever reason, they should go to the Center because they think that is important. The reality is that trying to game the system by being one of the top 8 students at a MS in order to get into TJ is going to be harder then people think. Because there are smart kids who stay at the base schools. Because there will be families who choose to send their kid to the base instead of the Center. Because some people are likely to try the move their kid for 8th grade hoping to be one of the top 8. So I guess The odds might be better to be in the top 8 but it is no guarantee. But I suspect that there are going to be parents who do try and game the system next year and are going to be disappointed that it didn’t work and regret losing a year at a MS that they deem superior. I also suspect that ELL are kids who have spent time in ESL classes during their career, not just kids who are from a bilingual family. That is easy enough to verify by looking at school records. I have no clue how the schools determine who is on FARMs but I don’t think that I can just check a box and say my kid is FARMs and he is added to the FARMs list. The IEP/504 route is not easy to fake or game so is going to be a non-starter. |
Anonymous
I go by what they mark on the census. If you always claim to be white, your are white when its time to be admitted to TJ. |
Anonymous
Children don't mark anything on the census. |
Anonymous
Ok. |
Anonymous
I don't know about that, but I find it hard to believe that a race-blind admissions that grants group that makes up 10% of the population 70% of the seats, is being discriminated against. |
Anonymous
Okay, so this is why folks can't take you seriously. Yes, those comments were reprehensible. They were called out as reprehensible by lots of folks, most of whom were not Asian. At the same time, sportscasters make racist comments about Hispanic players ALL THE TIME. All. The. Time. But, sure, Asian Americans are the only minority to ever experience discrimination in the United States. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/08/how-mlb-announcers-favor-american-players-over-foreign-ones/261265/ |
Anonymous
The PP flat-out said that they were only marking mutliracial for admissions advantage, and that they had always checked white in the past. So I think we can feel comfortable saying that whatever a multiracial family is, a family that is white on every single form up until the day it helps competitive HS admissions isn't it. |
Anonymous
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Oddly enough, all of the conversation about gaming the system would seem to be a decent argument for reinstituting teacher recommendations into the process.
While they are subject to some level of bias, a well-trained admissions reader should be able to adjust for that possibility and would be able to provide valuable insight into the actual circumstances of each student, especially with regard to "experience factors". |
Anonymous
Part of the bias was who the Teachers would write recommendations for. There seemed to be an issue with Teachers not being willing to write recommendations for URM. I have no clue if the kids that were asking for the recommendations were good students or were similar in their grades and in class performance to White and Asian kids, but there was an issue with getting the recommendations written in the first place. I also find it interesting that there is an entire "Get rid of GBRS because the Teachers don't know what they are talking about" for AAP, complete with a "The Teachers don't like Asian students so their GBRSs are tanked" movement but that Teacher Recommendations are part of the solution for TJ. Maybe the middle ground is that GBRS are done for every applicant at TJ, so that the same format and areas are taken into consideration and weighed for all the students applying. That at least removes the possibility of Teachers not writing recommendations for kids who are interested and the GBRS can be structured to focus only on in school performance and not include outside enrichment activities/awards. |