No more safeties since they now focus on yield protection?

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Your kidding right. EVERY university has large groups of that caliber of kid? Really? Your kidding yourself. My kid is in and done at her top choice, and I didn’t post specifically about her. But it IS about high stats focused kids and what they are looking for in a college. I’m sorry your kid ain’t one of them. But a high achieving focused child aiming for HYP [b]ain’t ever gonna find a satisfactory group of peers at Monmouth University.[/b] Your N of a few proves absolutely nothing and your assertion is delusional.[/quote]

Define “satisfactory”. If you mean large in number, you may be right. If you mean intelligent, motivated, capable of high caliber work, then you’re misinformed. They may be harder to find but those kids are absolutely at Monmouth, and many other schools you’d probably consider “inferior” for a “high stats” student. I can also tell you that they know the difference between “your” and “you’re, they proofread their work for errors including autocorrections, and they don’t use “ain’t” when trying to make an effective argument.

- former professor (at Monmouth University, among other places)[/quote]

And yet the argument was effective enough to draw you in to respond. Satisfactory = numerous, several, teeming with options, more than just a few, surrounded by peers of the same drive and caliber. The Data set for Monmouth indicates that only 2percent of the 1200 kids score 700-800 in math and reading portions of sat. So that’s like what 44 kids? Out of 1200??? The majority of the students- over 50 percent, scored between 500-600. That’s a stark difference in student profile dontcha think? So make your point, a HYP child should seriously look at Monmouth. Why? So they can hang out with the same 40 people? And that would be enriching .....why exactly?[/quote]

DP. “Effective?” You are digging yourself in deeper with each response. I was about to respond on the basis that this is a straw man, but you know that. I defer to PP with re: to the students at Monmouth, but you know that there are dozens of schools between Harvard and Monmouth. However, the most idiotic thing is your belief that your child has nothing to learn from people who have lower test scores. I don’t know how your snowflake will cope with the knowledge that there are people who got into her “top tier” college test-optional this year? Maybe they should make those people wear a scarlet “TO” so your kid can avoid talking to them, since they have nothing to offer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Merit_Scholarship_Program

But since you base your definition of who is a “top” student entirely on test scores, perhaps you should note that in 2016-2017, the University of Oklahoma had twice as many National Merit Scholars as Yale. In 2017-2018, half of the top 20 colleges with the most enrolled NMS were state universities, and most of those are schools like Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida, Texas (Dallas! Not Austin), Texas A&M, and Purdue. Many of these colleges offer significant financial incentives for high stats kids to attend. I had a friend whose exceedingly bright kid went to LSU on a full ride — they paid for tuition, room and board, stipend for books, etc. He got into more highly ranked schools, but the deal was too good to turn down. I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but financial considerations are determinative for many students. Even the additional cost of traveling to New England for college is prohibitive. I would suggest that your kid would learn quite a lot from exposure to students who haven’t lived in an UMC bubble their entire lives.
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Do me a favor. And read what I wrote, read my ACTUAL words. What did I Actually say? And then, what have you all interpreted instead? It was never about my kid. But all of you have read into it that way. Fwiw my kid seriously considered GW, substantial scholarship, had the school she wanted, and she knew she would be with driven ambitious kids. Ultimately she chose her other school - why? Bc she is an American kid that has lived in Europe for 5 years and she felt the international community at her chosen school was larger and more cohesive with better integration with the rest of the student body. To the point I made to the PP who said there is ‘NO University ..’ would my kid have found all this at Monmouth? hells no. If any of you had a high achieving high performing kid, you would intellectually accept that no, not every university is a fit for every high stats kid. That is just a fact. But instead you let yourself and your insecurities get triggered. So now your just emotional gnats spewing stuff. Once again PP you’ve made it about my kid. Never was about her. But by doing so, what you’ve done is really made it about yours.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Colleges are catching on to purchased (aka tutored) test scores and kids with crap schedules to keep their GPA up.


so, you think colleges *just* figured out that kids with "weak" course schedules prepped for their tests?

are you serious? you do realize admissions folks DO THIS for a living, right?

do you really think you know better because you read anonymous boards about college admissions?

yikes.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
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If VT was indeed yield protecting (which I don't think it has the resources to do so), how do you explain all the top of the class at xxx HS (e.g. TJHSST) getting in? These children would not go to VT. And yet they were accepted this year.


The basic problem is that this is not true. My DC (in 2020) had a 4.3+ and 1550+ SAT at TJ and was WLed at VT. That is yield protection. If your kid is unexpectedly WLed at VT and wants to go, I suggest you call VT and say WTF?


I have noticed most kids waitlisted were the ones who applied RD. VT says apply EA, RD has limited space.


+1 Much more straightforward than the other posts and also true. Tech says to apply EA if you want to go.


Even then, all the high stats kids we know (not at TJ) who got waitlisted were in EA. Good kids, lots of ECs, good grades in AP/IB classes. Since VT doesn't even look at recommendations I have to assume it comes down so their four short-answer questions + some estimate of yield likelihood. My son was accepted and had similar grades/scores and weaker ECs than his friends who were waitlisted. But he did have an excellent service essay IMO so I think that likely tipped things in his favor.

Anyone who applied RD can't complain about waitlisting. They clearly say it's just for space-available so if you apply RD you either aren't paying attention at all or just don't care.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Will be interesting to see what happens with JMU next year. They are going to accept the common app for the first time so will likely get a significant bump in applications.


Good point. The current JMU application process is a deterrent. It felt kind of old-school when my DD applied this past fall. With the common app, it would be so easy to just add JMU, which seems like a great place, BTW.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Blah. Blah.
If VT was indeed yield protecting (which I don't think it has the resources to do so), how do you explain all the top of the class at xxx HS (e.g. TJHSST) getting in? These children would not go to VT. And yet they were accepted this year.


The basic problem is that this is not true. My DC (in 2020) had a 4.3+ and 1550+ SAT at TJ and was WLed at VT. That is yield protection. If your kid is unexpectedly WLed at VT and wants to go, I suggest you call VT and say WTF?


I have noticed most kids waitlisted were the ones who applied RD. VT says apply EA, RD has limited space.


Not true at all. so many high stats kids WL this year from both ED and EA at Virginia tech.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Blah. Blah.
If VT was indeed yield protecting (which I don't think it has the resources to do so), how do you explain all the top of the class at xxx HS (e.g. TJHSST) getting in? These children would not go to VT. And yet they were accepted this year.


The basic problem is that this is not true. My DC (in 2020) had a 4.3+ and 1550+ SAT at TJ and was WLed at VT. That is yield protection. If your kid is unexpectedly WLed at VT and wants to go, I suggest you call VT and say WTF?


I have noticed most kids waitlisted were the ones who applied RD. VT says apply EA, RD has limited space.


Not true at all. so many high stats kids WL this year from both ED and EA at Virginia tech.


Rough definition of high stats? The term is so subjective.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Blah. Blah.
If VT was indeed yield protecting (which I don't think it has the resources to do so), how do you explain all the top of the class at xxx HS (e.g. TJHSST) getting in? These children would not go to VT. And yet they were accepted this year.


The basic problem is that this is not true. My DC (in 2020) had a 4.3+ and 1550+ SAT at TJ and was WLed at VT. That is yield protection. If your kid is unexpectedly WLed at VT and wants to go, I suggest you call VT and say WTF?


I have noticed most kids waitlisted were the ones who applied RD. VT says apply EA, RD has limited space.


Not true at all. so many high stats kids WL this year from both ED and EA at Virginia tech.


Rough definition of high stats? The term is so subjective.


Above VT's 75th percentile in both SAT and GPA.

I know not all the students have entered their info but when I look at Naviance for VT, the upper quadrant prior to this year was a sea of green and DS's dot right in the middle. He did get in but is now surrounded by a lot of waitlist dots.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Blah. Blah.
If VT was indeed yield protecting (which I don't think it has the resources to do so), how do you explain all the top of the class at xxx HS (e.g. TJHSST) getting in? These children would not go to VT. And yet they were accepted this year.


The basic problem is that this is not true. My DC (in 2020) had a 4.3+ and 1550+ SAT at TJ and was WLed at VT. That is yield protection. If your kid is unexpectedly WLed at VT and wants to go, I suggest you call VT and say WTF?


I have noticed most kids waitlisted were the ones who applied RD. VT says apply EA, RD has limited space.


Not true at all. so many high stats kids WL this year from both ED and EA at Virginia tech.


Rough definition of high stats? The term is so subjective.


Above VT's 75th percentile in both SAT and GPA.

I know not all the students have entered their info but when I look at Naviance for VT, the upper quadrant prior to this year was a sea of green and DS's dot right in the middle. He did get in but is now surrounded by a lot of waitlist dots.


Yeah, it's weird. Our large FCPS high school has about 3/4 of the senior class accepted. So many waitlists this year.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Colleges are catching on to purchased (aka tutored) test scores and kids with crap schedules to keep their GPA up.


so, you think colleges *just* figured out that kids with "weak" course schedules prepped for their tests?

are you serious? you do realize admissions folks DO THIS for a living, right?

do you really think you know better because you read anonymous boards about college admissions?

yikes.


They didn’t just realize this, they’re just finally sick of it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Colleges are catching on to purchased (aka tutored) test scores and kids with crap schedules to keep their GPA up.


so, you think colleges *just* figured out that kids with "weak" course schedules prepped for their tests?

are you serious? you do realize admissions folks DO THIS for a living, right?

do you really think you know better because you read anonymous boards about college admissions?

yikes.


They didn’t just realize this, they’re just finally sick of it.


You just made that right up.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Colleges are catching on to purchased (aka tutored) test scores and kids with crap schedules to keep their GPA up.


so, you think colleges *just* figured out that kids with "weak" course schedules prepped for their tests?

are you serious? you do realize admissions folks DO THIS for a living, right?

do you really think you know better because you read anonymous boards about college admissions?

yikes.


They didn’t just realize this, they’re just finally sick of it.


You just made that right up.


Lol, yes. Barbara is sick of it, folks!
Anonymous
If Tulane is your safety, then yes there's no more safeties. If Vtech us your safety, then I'll assume you're just a top tier student.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If Tulane is your safety, then yes there's no more safeties. If Vtech us your safety, then I'll assume you're just a top tier student.


Well, to be fair, Virginia Tech has a published acceptance rate of over 70%.

That's high.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Tulane is your safety, then yes there's no more safeties. If Vtech us your safety, then I'll assume you're just a top tier student.


Well, to be fair, Virginia Tech has a published acceptance rate of over 70%.

That's high.


And if you looked at our FCPS school's Naviance scattergram for Virginia Tech where pretty much everyone gets in? It's a safety.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:2.2 million HS class of 2020 students took the SAT: https://reports.collegeboard.org/sat-suite-program-results

A 1500 puts you in the 98 percentile: https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/pdf/understanding-sat-scores.pdf

Even if the top 15-20 universities (us news university rankings) accepted only those with 1500 or higher there are simply not enough enrollment slots to accommodate everyone based on that score alone.

The seemingly random nature of admissions for top students with high scores occurs because often those same students tend to have similarly high GPAs. If you can’t just rely on SATs and GPAs to fill out every enrollment slot at the top schools then you are left muddling through soft factors and other random activities that might catch and admissions counselors eye.

The top 10 elite universities should be considered reaches for all but a select few. Most DCUM DC are probably not one of these select few no matter how great we think they are. A “safety” school for someone with the stats that are generally competitive for HYS isn’t Penn, Brown, Duke, Williams or even Amherst. Those are elite schools that draw a large pool of elite applicants.

And you can’t simply go down the list to the 3rd or 4th top ranked liberal arts schools and say that is a “safety” based on SAT alone. That is because you aren’t the first genius to think of that and because they are so tiny. Colby has a first year enrollment of only 500! They have a vested interest and the time to try to create a class of admits who will actually attend and achieve the perfect harmony of interests they envision for that year.

A true safety (guaranteed admit) for someone in DMV would be a school like VT or College Park. Schools where they really should get in are those with bigger class sizes like UVA or a Georgetown.

It’s not rocket science if you are realistic in your expectations.



Great, can you explain why my daughter with a 35 ACT (99th percentile) currently sits on the VT waitlist?


She is white and her parents went to college. Is no one listening to VT admissions when they say they are trying to fill their school with 1st gen & URM students?


Dp, but doubt that is the reason. Our private is sending four girls to VT this year and none are first Gen or urm (we are in MD).
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