No more safeties since they now focus on yield protection?

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Your kidding right. EVERY university has large groups of that caliber of kid? Really? Your kidding yourself. My kid is in and done at her top choice, and I didn’t post specifically about her. But it IS about high stats focused kids and what they are looking for in a college. I’m sorry your kid ain’t one of them. But a high achieving focused child aiming for HYP [b]ain’t ever gonna find a satisfactory group of peers at Monmouth University.[/b] Your N of a few proves absolutely nothing and your assertion is delusional.[/quote]

Define “satisfactory”. If you mean large in number, you may be right. If you mean intelligent, motivated, capable of high caliber work, then you’re misinformed. They may be harder to find but those kids are absolutely at Monmouth, and many other schools you’d probably consider “inferior” for a “high stats” student. I can also tell you that they know the difference between “your” and “you’re, they proofread their work for errors including autocorrections, and they don’t use “ain’t” when trying to make an effective argument.

- former professor (at Monmouth University, among other places)[/quote]

And yet the argument was effective enough to draw you in to respond. Satisfactory = numerous, several, teeming with options, more than just a few, surrounded by peers of the same drive and caliber. The Data set for Monmouth indicates that only 2percent of the 1200 kids score 700-800 in math and reading portions of sat. So that’s like what 44 kids? Out of 1200??? The majority of the students- over 50 percent, scored between 500-600. That’s a stark difference in student profile dontcha think? So make your point, a HYP child should seriously look at Monmouth. Why? So they can hang out with the same 40 people? And that would be enriching .....why exactly?[/quote]

DP. “Effective?” You are digging yourself in deeper with each response. I was about to respond on the basis that this is a straw man, but you know that. I defer to PP with re: to the students at Monmouth, but you know that there are dozens of schools between Harvard and Monmouth. However, the most idiotic thing is your belief that your child has nothing to learn from people who have lower test scores. I don’t know how your snowflake will cope with the knowledge that there are people who got into her “top tier” college test-optional this year? Maybe they should make those people wear a scarlet “TO” so your kid can avoid talking to them, since they have nothing to offer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Merit_Scholarship_Program

But since you base your definition of who is a “top” student entirely on test scores, perhaps you should note that in 2016-2017, the University of Oklahoma had twice as many National Merit Scholars as Yale. In 2017-2018, half of the top 20 colleges with the most enrolled NMS were state universities, and most of those are schools like Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida, Texas (Dallas! Not Austin), Texas A&M, and Purdue. Many of these colleges offer significant financial incentives for high stats kids to attend. I had a friend whose exceedingly bright kid went to LSU on a full ride — they paid for tuition, room and board, stipend for books, etc. He got into more highly ranked schools, but the deal was too good to turn down. I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but financial considerations are determinative for many students. Even the additional cost of traveling to New England for college is prohibitive. I would suggest that your kid would learn quite a lot from exposure to students who haven’t lived in an UMC bubble their entire lives.
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Do me a favor. And read what I wrote, read my ACTUAL words. What did I Actually say? And then, what have you all interpreted instead? It was never about my kid. But all of you have read into it that way. Fwiw my kid seriously considered GW, substantial scholarship, had the school she wanted, and she knew she would be with driven ambitious kids. Ultimately she chose her other school - why? Bc she is an American kid that has lived in Europe for 5 years and she felt the international community at her chosen school was larger and more cohesive with better integration with the rest of the student body. To the point I made to the PP who said there is ‘NO University ..’ would my kid have found all this at Monmouth? hells no. If any of you had a high achieving high performing kid, you would intellectually accept that no, not every university is a fit for every high stats kid. That is just a fact. But instead you let yourself and your insecurities get triggered. So now your just emotional gnats spewing stuff. Once again PP you’ve made it about my kid. Never was about her. But by doing so, what you’ve done is really made it about yours. [/quote]

Oh. That explains it. Your kid is special because she lived in Europe for five years. Got it.

Funny that you keep talking about your kid while exclaiming that this isn’t about your kid.

FWIW, you don’t even know if I have a kid, much less one that has applied to college.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Your kidding right. EVERY university has large groups of that caliber of kid? Really? Your kidding yourself. My kid is in and done at her top choice, and I didn’t post specifically about her. But it IS about high stats focused kids and what they are looking for in a college. I’m sorry your kid ain’t one of them. But a high achieving focused child aiming for HYP [b]ain’t ever gonna find a satisfactory group of peers at Monmouth University.[/b] Your N of a few proves absolutely nothing and your assertion is delusional.[/quote]

Define “satisfactory”. If you mean large in number, you may be right. If you mean intelligent, motivated, capable of high caliber work, then you’re misinformed. They may be harder to find but those kids are absolutely at Monmouth, and many other schools you’d probably consider “inferior” for a “high stats” student. I can also tell you that they know the difference between “your” and “you’re, they proofread their work for errors including autocorrections, and they don’t use “ain’t” when trying to make an effective argument.

- former professor (at Monmouth University, among other places)[/quote]

And yet the argument was effective enough to draw you in to respond. Satisfactory = numerous, several, teeming with options, more than just a few, surrounded by peers of the same drive and caliber. The Data set for Monmouth indicates that only 2percent of the 1200 kids score 700-800 in math and reading portions of sat. So that’s like what 44 kids? Out of 1200??? The majority of the students- over 50 percent, scored between 500-600. That’s a stark difference in student profile dontcha think? So make your point, a HYP child should seriously look at Monmouth. Why? So they can hang out with the same 40 people? And that would be enriching .....why exactly?[/quote]

DP. “Effective?” You are digging yourself in deeper with each response. I was about to respond on the basis that this is a straw man, but you know that. I defer to PP with re: to the students at Monmouth, but you know that there are dozens of schools between Harvard and Monmouth. However, the most idiotic thing is your belief that your child has nothing to learn from people who have lower test scores. I don’t know how your snowflake will cope with the knowledge that there are people who got into her “top tier” college test-optional this year? Maybe they should make those people wear a scarlet “TO” so your kid can avoid talking to them, since they have nothing to offer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Merit_Scholarship_Program

But since you base your definition of who is a “top” student entirely on test scores, perhaps you should note that in 2016-2017, the University of Oklahoma had twice as many National Merit Scholars as Yale. In 2017-2018, half of the top 20 colleges with the most enrolled NMS were state universities, and most of those are schools like Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida, Texas (Dallas! Not Austin), Texas A&M, and Purdue. Many of these colleges offer significant financial incentives for high stats kids to attend. I had a friend whose exceedingly bright kid went to LSU on a full ride — they paid for tuition, room and board, stipend for books, etc. He got into more highly ranked schools, but the deal was too good to turn down. I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but financial considerations are determinative for many students. Even the additional cost of traveling to New England for college is prohibitive. I would suggest that your kid would learn quite a lot from exposure to students who haven’t lived in an UMC bubble their entire lives.
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Do me a favor. And read what I wrote, read my ACTUAL words. What did I Actually say? And then, what have you all interpreted instead? It was never about my kid. But all of you have read into it that way. Fwiw my kid seriously considered GW, substantial scholarship, had the school she wanted, and she knew she would be with driven ambitious kids. Ultimately she chose her other school - why? Bc she is an American kid that has lived in Europe for 5 years and she felt the international community at her chosen school was larger and more cohesive with better integration with the rest of the student body. To the point I made to the PP who said there is ‘NO University ..’ would my kid have found all this at Monmouth? hells no. If any of you had a high achieving high performing kid, you would intellectually accept that no, not every university is a fit for every high stats kid. That is just a fact. But instead you let yourself and your insecurities get triggered. So now your just emotional gnats spewing stuff. Once again PP you’ve made it about my kid. Never was about her. But by doing so, what you’ve done is really made it about yours. [/quote]

Oh. That explains it. Your kid is special because she lived in Europe for five years. Got it.

Funny that you keep talking about your kid while exclaiming that this isn’t about your kid.

FWIW, you don’t even know if I have a kid, much less one that has applied to college. [/quote]

Why are you on this thread if you don’t have a kid and don’t have any personal experience with any of this?! I feel sad for you PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2.2 million HS class of 2020 students took the SAT: https://reports.collegeboard.org/sat-suite-program-results

A 1500 puts you in the 98 percentile: https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/pdf/understanding-sat-scores.pdf

Even if the top 15-20 universities (us news university rankings) accepted only those with 1500 or higher there are simply not enough enrollment slots to accommodate everyone based on that score alone.

The seemingly random nature of admissions for top students with high scores occurs because often those same students tend to have similarly high GPAs. If you can’t just rely on SATs and GPAs to fill out every enrollment slot at the top schools then you are left muddling through soft factors and other random activities that might catch and admissions counselors eye.

The top 10 elite universities should be considered reaches for all but a select few. Most DCUM DC are probably not one of these select few no matter how great we think they are. A “safety” school for someone with the stats that are generally competitive for HYS isn’t Penn, Brown, Duke, Williams or even Amherst. Those are elite schools that draw a large pool of elite applicants.

And you can’t simply go down the list to the 3rd or 4th top ranked liberal arts schools and say that is a “safety” based on SAT alone. That is because you aren’t the first genius to think of that and because they are so tiny. Colby has a first year enrollment of only 500! They have a vested interest and the time to try to create a class of admits who will actually attend and achieve the perfect harmony of interests they envision for that year.

A true safety (guaranteed admit) for someone in DMV would be a school like VT or College Park. Schools where they really should get in are those with bigger class sizes like UVA or a Georgetown.

It’s not rocket science if you are realistic in your expectations.

Great, can you explain why my daughter with a 35 ACT (99th percentile) currently sits on the VT waitlist?

She is white and her parents went to college. Is no one listening to VT admissions when they say they are trying to fill their school with 1st gen & URM students?

Dp, but doubt that is the reason. Our private is sending four girls to VT this year and none are first Gen or urm (we are in MD).

DUDE! Those kids are out of state! The fact that they will be paying full price to go to VT puts them in a different category.

35 ACT and in-state app to a college that admits 70% of applications should be a lock

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2.2 million HS class of 2020 students took the SAT: https://reports.collegeboard.org/sat-suite-program-results

A 1500 puts you in the 98 percentile: https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/pdf/understanding-sat-scores.pdf

Even if the top 15-20 universities (us news university rankings) accepted only those with 1500 or higher there are simply not enough enrollment slots to accommodate everyone based on that score alone.

The seemingly random nature of admissions for top students with high scores occurs because often those same students tend to have similarly high GPAs. If you can’t just rely on SATs and GPAs to fill out every enrollment slot at the top schools then you are left muddling through soft factors and other random activities that might catch and admissions counselors eye.

The top 10 elite universities should be considered reaches for all but a select few. Most DCUM DC are probably not one of these select few no matter how great we think they are. A “safety” school for someone with the stats that are generally competitive for HYS isn’t Penn, Brown, Duke, Williams or even Amherst. Those are elite schools that draw a large pool of elite applicants.

And you can’t simply go down the list to the 3rd or 4th top ranked liberal arts schools and say that is a “safety” based on SAT alone. That is because you aren’t the first genius to think of that and because they are so tiny. Colby has a first year enrollment of only 500! They have a vested interest and the time to try to create a class of admits who will actually attend and achieve the perfect harmony of interests they envision for that year.

A true safety (guaranteed admit) for someone in DMV would be a school like VT or College Park. Schools where they really should get in are those with bigger class sizes like UVA or a Georgetown.

It’s not rocket science if you are realistic in your expectations.

Great, can you explain why my daughter with a 35 ACT (99th percentile) currently sits on the VT waitlist?

She is white and her parents went to college. Is no one listening to VT admissions when they say they are trying to fill their school with 1st gen & URM students?

Dp, but doubt that is the reason. Our private is sending four girls to VT this year and none are first Gen or urm (we are in MD).

DUDE! Those kids are out of state! The fact that they will be paying full price to go to VT puts them in a different category.

35 ACT and in-state app to a college that admits 70% of applications should be a lock

ACT score matters much less than grades and how student compares to other students at same school. We all know no school has looked at just test scores, well, ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2.2 million HS class of 2020 students took the SAT: https://reports.collegeboard.org/sat-suite-program-results

A 1500 puts you in the 98 percentile: https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/pdf/understanding-sat-scores.pdf

Even if the top 15-20 universities (us news university rankings) accepted only those with 1500 or higher there are simply not enough enrollment slots to accommodate everyone based on that score alone.

The seemingly random nature of admissions for top students with high scores occurs because often those same students tend to have similarly high GPAs. If you can’t just rely on SATs and GPAs to fill out every enrollment slot at the top schools then you are left muddling through soft factors and other random activities that might catch and admissions counselors eye.

The top 10 elite universities should be considered reaches for all but a select few. Most DCUM DC are probably not one of these select few no matter how great we think they are. A “safety” school for someone with the stats that are generally competitive for HYS isn’t Penn, Brown, Duke, Williams or even Amherst. Those are elite schools that draw a large pool of elite applicants.

And you can’t simply go down the list to the 3rd or 4th top ranked liberal arts schools and say that is a “safety” based on SAT alone. That is because you aren’t the first genius to think of that and because they are so tiny. Colby has a first year enrollment of only 500! They have a vested interest and the time to try to create a class of admits who will actually attend and achieve the perfect harmony of interests they envision for that year.

A true safety (guaranteed admit) for someone in DMV would be a school like VT or College Park. Schools where they really should get in are those with bigger class sizes like UVA or a Georgetown.

It’s not rocket science if you are realistic in your expectations.

Great, can you explain why my daughter with a 35 ACT (99th percentile) currently sits on the VT waitlist?

What was her GPA and her class rank? 35 ACT means nothing if you don't have comparable grades and class rank.

[Anonymous]

The best safeties have rolling admissions so you get your decision long before other apps are due so you can add more safeties if you are proved wrong about your first.

You should only need one initial safety if you choose it from rolling admissions schools (although more are fine if you want).

[Anonymous]

+1. There is nothing like DC knowing s/he is in somewhere to help ease the stress of the process.

[Anonymous]

What are the best schools with rolling admissions? Or early action?

[Anonymous]

Minnesota

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shit just apply to a regional or directional state school and consider it a super safety. They don't yield protect because they don't give a damn. They know they ain't making big moves in USNWR anytime soon. At least you'll know in a worst-case scenario that you won't be relegated to community college or going to school overseas.

Hell, tons of these schools have super late application deadlines. DD even got significant merit aid and honors college admit from ODU and she'd applied in May. I think we paid about $3k in tuition. She transferred after a year but certainly a better experience than NoVA and at a similar price (not counting room and board). Some OOS state flagships don't have application deadlines until the summer, too, and 90% of the country thinks they're just as good as UVA.

If directional state/mediocre flagship seems worse than paying full-freight for large lecture halls halfway across the planet, the UK is another wait-and-see option. Other than Oxbridge (and maybe Imperial), UCAS is generally rolling admissions and the application is pretty simple. If your kid has solid AP/SAT scores, they're likely to get an admit to Edinburgh/UCL/Warwick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yield protection is a MYTH at Virginia Tech. It’s just a matter of math. They had over 42,000 apps for a class of 6,800.

They don’t care enough to game whether or not your kid would attend or not. Even with the addition of the short answer questions, they still do not really do holistic admissions.

Lmao no it’s obvious they did this year, if you met the kids from my school who got in and the ones that got waitlisted, you would change your mind. Trust me, they yield protected hard.

This is very true. I know two smart high score kids who got in but then there was a layer of really solid kids who had it as a first choice that got waitskisted and then a bunch lower than that that got in. Very weird. I know kids who got in to UVA and got waitlisted at Tech.

Ditto... it wasn't just that VT was competitive this year, it was that they waitlisted a whole swath of very high stats kids and then accepted the layer under them. Same exact thing happened at our school. I also know people who got into UVA (which was also very tough this year) but waitlisted at VT which had been their safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are shooting at the top 30 you need to pick a solid safety and treat that schools as if it is your favorite. Multiple visits, interviews, conversations with admissions teams. Otherwise they will think you are making them a safety and they will reject you.

Good advice. We will not be doing in-person visits for all 10 colleges we are applying for EA...but intend to show interest through multiple virtual engagements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My friends son just go stuck in waitlist hell, 1530 sat. 11 waitlists and 1 rejection. The rejection was to a safety school for him. Lucky he applied to 2 top schools in England, got in both within a week of applying. Yield protection is getting ridiculous.

11 waitlists! Seems like the safety wasn’t a safety.

The safety YIELD PROTECTED. Are you paying attention?

A school that yield protects isn't a safety. A safety is a school that admits solely based on stats, and where your stats make it a guarantee.

Or it's one of the many schools, including wonderful schools, that has EA or rolling admissions and will let you know you're in before your other apps are due.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Your kidding right. EVERY university has large groups of that caliber of kid? Really? Your kidding yourself. My kid is in and done at her top choice, and I didn’t post specifically about her. But it IS about high stats focused kids and what they are looking for in a college. I’m sorry your kid ain’t one of them. But a high achieving focused child aiming for HYP ain’t ever gonna find a satisfactory group of peers at Monmouth University. Your N of a few proves absolutely nothing and your assertion is delusional.

Define “satisfactory”. If you mean large in number, you may be right. If you mean intelligent, motivated, capable of high caliber work, then you’re misinformed. They may be harder to find but those kids are absolutely at Monmouth, and many other schools you’d probably consider “inferior” for a “high stats” student. I can also tell you that they know the difference between “your” and “you’re, they proofread their work for errors including autocorrections, and they don’t use “ain’t” when trying to make an effective argument.

- former professor (at Monmouth University, among other places)

And yet the argument was effective enough to draw you in to respond. Satisfactory = numerous, several, teeming with options, more than just a few, surrounded by peers of the same drive and caliber. The Data set for Monmouth indicates that only 2percent of the 1200 kids score 700-800 in math and reading portions of sat. So that’s like what 44 kids? Out of 1200??? The majority of the students- over 50 percent, scored between 500-600. That’s a stark difference in student profile dontcha think? So make your point, a HYP child should seriously look at Monmouth. Why? So they can hang out with the same 40 people? And that would be enriching .....why exactly?

DP. “Effective?” You are digging yourself in deeper with each response. I was about to respond on the basis that this is a straw man, but you know that. I defer to PP with re: to the students at Monmouth, but you know that there are dozens of schools between Harvard and Monmouth. However, the most idiotic thing is your belief that your child has nothing to learn from people who have lower test scores. I don’t know how your snowflake will cope with the knowledge that there are people who got into her “top tier” college test-optional this year? Maybe they should make those people wear a scarlet “TO” so your kid can avoid talking to them, since they have nothing to offer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Merit_Scholarship_Program

But since you base your definition of who is a “top” student entirely on test scores, perhaps you should note that in 2016-2017, the University of Oklahoma had twice as many National Merit Scholars as Yale. In 2017-2018, half of the top 20 colleges with the most enrolled NMS were state universities, and most of those are schools like Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida, Texas (Dallas! Not Austin), Texas A&M, and Purdue. Many of these colleges offer significant financial incentives for high stats kids to attend. I had a friend whose exceedingly bright kid went to LSU on a full ride — they paid for tuition, room and board, stipend for books, etc. He got into more highly ranked schools, but the deal was too good to turn down. I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but financial considerations are determinative for many students. Even the additional cost of traveling to New England for college is prohibitive. I would suggest that your kid would learn quite a lot from exposure to students who haven’t lived in an UMC bubble their entire lives.

Do me a favor. And read what I wrote, read my ACTUAL words. What did I Actually say? And then, what have you all interpreted instead? It was never about my kid. But all of you have read into it that way. Fwiw my kid seriously considered GW, substantial scholarship, had the school she wanted, and she knew she would be with driven ambitious kids. Ultimately she chose her other school - why? Bc she is an American kid that has lived in Europe for 5 years and she felt the international community at her chosen school was larger and more cohesive with better integration with the rest of the student body. To the point I made to the PP who said there is ‘NO University ..’ would my kid have found all this at Monmouth? hells no. If any of you had a high achieving high performing kid, you would intellectually accept that no, not every university is a fit for every high stats kid. That is just a fact. But instead you let yourself and your insecurities get triggered. So now your just emotional gnats spewing stuff. Once again PP you’ve made it about my kid. Never was about her. But by doing so, what you’ve done is really made it about yours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colleges are catching on to purchased (aka tutored) test scores and kids with crap schedules to keep their GPA up.

^^This here is a poster whose DC did not do well in GPA or SAT.