The Crown, Season 3

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What I don't understand yet is why she was so cold as a mother. I understand the sense of duty, stoicism and all that, but her father was king, yet her parents were very loving and warm with her and her sister. Was it because when she was little, neither she nor her father were expected to become monarch?

I would have liked to see that fleshed out in the series somehow.


Her open admission during one of the shows about her complete lack of feelings (I think she was talking to the PM and described it as a personal deficiency) made me think she might actually be on the spectrum.

You do understand that this is fictionalized, no?

DP, but I do wonder how the writers could possibly know what was said in private meetings between the Queen and the PM and between her and her son Charles.

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Exactly what I’ve been thinking throughout the series. I wonder exactly how the royal family, particularly Elizabeth, Philip, and Charles, feel about this depiction of their private lives. I can see making this after they’ve died, but while they’re still living?

I thought the casting was spot-on with Philip, Charles, and Anne. Tobias Menzies is incredible as Philip, as is Josh O’Connor as Charles. Both are very affecting. And the resemblance between Anne and the actress who plays her is astonishing.

Criticisms: I love Olivia Coleman and Helena Bonham-Carter, but really think they could - and should - have kept Claire Foy and Vanessa Kirby for this time period. They could’ve subtly aged them. Coleman and Bonham-Carter both look too old and the resemblances aren’t as close as they were with the original two actresses. Coleman, in particular, looks older than Philip. It’s very distracting.

I’m having a difficult time getting into the show because of who is is playing the Queen and Margaret - Foy and Kirby were much better choices.

[Anonymous]

I'm only part way through season 1 and losing interest. I just watched the episode with Margaret standing in for Elizabeth.

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Anonymous wrote:Imelda Staunton has been announced as taking on the role of Queen Elizabeth for season 5 and 6.

Season 1 and 2



Season 3 and 4



Season 5 and 6



I hope Imelda dyes her hair or wears a wig.

Not Dolores Umbridge!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imelda Staunton has been announced as taking on the role of Queen Elizabeth for season 5 and 6.

Season 1 and 2



Season 3 and 4



Season 5 and 6



I hope Imelda dyes her hair or wears a wig.

Not Dolores Umbridge!

Oh my goodness - Imelda would have been perfect as the elderly Queen Mother, but Elizabeth? No way!

[Anonymous]

At least Imelda has blue eyes - I still cannot get past Olivia and Helena’s brown eyes...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's been a long time since season 2 was released, so while I was completely entertained by the first two seasons, I can't remember if they were as good as this.

Season 3 is really beautiful storytelling. Each episode is so well crafted, and the acting is extraordinary. Tobias Menzies in episode 7, wow.

I'd been finding Phillip insufferable (compared to the one Claire Foy married) but he pulled it off for me in this episode.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that there are two fictionalized accounts now -- "The Queen" with Helen Mirren and "the Crown" that depicit Elizabeth II as unable to process and understand the emotional reactions of the country. The Queen dealt with Elizabeth's reaction (or lack thereof) to Diana's death and inability to come to grips with the nation's mourning. Very similar to the Aberfan situation. Definitely worth a watch. Yes, this is fiction, but there are themes here that carry over and make the viewer wonder what is going on in this woman's mind.

Both "The Queen" and "The Crown" are created by the same person, Peter Morgan. He also wrote the play "The Audience" which dramatizes Elizabeth's audiences with all of her prime ministers.

Ah, thanks for pointing that out.

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Anonymous wrote:It's been a long time since season 2 was released, so while I was completely entertained by the first two seasons, I can't remember if they were as good as this.

Season 3 is really beautiful storytelling. Each episode is so well crafted, and the acting is extraordinary. Tobias Menzies in episode 7, wow.

I'd been finding Phillip insufferable (compared to the one Claire Foy married) but he pulled it off for me in this episode.

DP. I found the younger Philip actor (Matt Smith) to be insufferable and was happy they replaced him with Tobias Menzies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I found this season boring until the episode where Charles goes to Wales. I think the actor playing him is phenomenal.
I am still confused on this supposed deep love between him and camilla when there was another man in the picture??
Last episode was boring again but maybe I feel that way because Helen Bonham Carter is too fiery and short to play Margaret.

Margaret was only 5'!"

[Anonymous]

I found this season boring until the episode where Charles goes to Wales. I think the actor playing him is phenomenal.
I am still confused on this supposed deep love between him and camilla when there was another man in the picture??
Last episode was boring again but maybe I feel that way because Helen Bonham Carter is too fiery and short to play Margaret.



Margaret was only 5'!

It makes sense to me that the shy Charles had little experience with love and fell for the first woman he really knew. If this version is correct, Camilla didn't love him at the time, but certainly wasn't going to ignore a prince.

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What I don't understand yet is why she was so cold as a mother. I understand the sense of duty, stoicism and all that, but her father was king, yet her parents were very loving and warm with her and her sister. Was it because when she was little, neither she nor her father were expected to become monarch?

I would have liked to see that fleshed out in the series somehow.


Her open admission during one of the shows about her complete lack of feelings (I think she was talking to the PM and described it as a personal deficiency) made me think she might actually be on the spectrum.

You do understand that this is fictionalized, no?

DP, but I do wonder how the writers could possibly know what was said in private meetings between the Queen and the PM and between her and her son Charles.

+1
Exactly what I’ve been thinking throughout the series. I wonder exactly how the royal family, particularly Elizabeth, Philip, and Charles, feel about this depiction of their private lives. I can see making this after they’ve died, but while they’re still living?

I thought the casting was spot-on with Philip, Charles, and Anne. Tobias Menzies is incredible as Philip, as is Josh O’Connor as Charles. Both are very affecting. And the resemblance between Anne and the actress who plays her is astonishing.

Criticisms: I love Olivia Coleman and Helena Bonham-Carter, but really think they could - and should - have kept Claire Foy and Vanessa Kirby for this time period. They could’ve subtly aged them. Coleman and Bonham-Carter both look too old and the resemblances aren’t as close as they were with the original two actresses. Coleman, in particular, looks older than Philip. It’s very distracting.

I’m having a difficult time getting into the show because of who is is playing the Queen and Margaret - Foy and Kirby were much better choices.

I'm struggling with the same thing. Claire Foy left big shoes to fill.

[Anonymous]

I just started season 3 this week and I haven't read all the pages of the thread because I'm afraid of spoilers but I came on here to discuss the casting. Olivia Coleman takes over when Elizabeth is 35. Way too old. They should have kept Claire Foy one more season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just started season 3 this week and I haven't read all the pages of the thread because I'm afraid of spoilers but I came on here to discuss the casting. Olivia Coleman takes over when Elizabeth is 35. Way too old. They should have kept Claire Foy one more season.

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I said the same thing a couple of pages back. Both Claire Foy and Vanessa Kirby should have been cast for season 3. Coleman and Bonham-Carter are just too old to play mid-30’s. It’s so distracting.

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art i love you queen

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Anonymous wrote:I just started season 3 this week and I haven't read all the pages of the thread because I'm afraid of spoilers but I came on here to discuss the casting. Olivia Coleman takes over when Elizabeth is 35. Way too old. They should have kept Claire Foy one more season.

I love Olivia Coleman and think she is an astonishingly talented actress. I watch everything she is in. But I do think she was miscast here, badly miscast. Its not just the physicality that is wrong, she is a very emotive actress with a very expressive face. She has been cast as someone who puts a stiff upper lip on everything and must be glacial, at all times. It just doesn't work. Also she can't play outside her own class range which is UK middle class, she's not an aristo. and has none of the poise required. Its a great shame, a wasted choice.