Iraq war veteran to testify that he heard Trump pressed Ukraine president to investigate Biden

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think he was required to wear his uniform. So why wear it?

Might I remind you that Bergdahl and McVeigh were both veterans/military? Everyone who wears a uniform isn’t always honest.

Might I remind you that Nixon was a crook and a liar. Everyone sitting in the WH isn't always honest.

In another thread about the US pulling out of Kurdish area, some military person (who knows if he was really in the military) said it was fine to pull out.. why should we be there... etc... to which I responded that the poster was an idiot to not realize the significance of having allies there. Then, someone else (or that PP) replied, in shouty capitals... HOW DARE YOU DISHONOR SOMEONE IN THE MILITARY. So, let me return the favor... HOW DARE YOU DISHONOR A *DECORATED* VETERAN.

Also, I could've sworn Trumpters said military people love Trump.

Every military veteran knows that not all military veterans are good people. A quick search of the internet will tell you that. Again, was he required to be in uniform? If not, then why? Optics? Who asked him to wear it? Why would he make the decision to wear it?

It IS fine to pull your men out of areas where it’s a sure bet they will be killed. Beirut taught us that lesson, sadly.

He’s active duty and is expected to wear a uniform when a civilian would wear a suit. He’s comfortable in it, which is good since he answers questions for 10+ hours, and probably is justifiably proud of his service. It’s not for optics - he doesn’t care about the optics, he cares about the honor, which is why he was brave enough to show up and then head back to work at the White House.

+1. I'm married to a retired officer. I cannot believe this poster would be that ignorant. Now we harass military officers? Really?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think he was required to wear his uniform. So why wear it?

Might I remind you that Bergdahl and McVeigh were both veterans/military? Everyone who wears a uniform isn’t always honest.

Might I remind you that Nixon was a crook and a liar. Everyone sitting in the WH isn't always honest.

In another thread about the US pulling out of Kurdish area, some military person (who knows if he was really in the military) said it was fine to pull out.. why should we be there... etc... to which I responded that the poster was an idiot to not realize the significance of having allies there. Then, someone else (or that PP) replied, in shouty capitals... HOW DARE YOU DISHONOR SOMEONE IN THE MILITARY. So, let me return the favor... HOW DARE YOU DISHONOR A *DECORATED* VETERAN.

Also, I could've sworn Trumpters said military people love Trump.

Every military veteran knows that not all military veterans are good people. A quick search of the internet will tell you that. Again, was he required to be in uniform? If not, then why? Optics? Who asked him to wear it? Why would he make the decision to wear it?

It IS fine to pull your men out of areas where it’s a sure bet they will be killed. Beirut taught us that lesson, sadly.

He’s active duty and is expected to wear a uniform when a civilian would wear a suit. He’s comfortable in it, which is good since he answers questions for 10+ hours, and probably is justifiably proud of his service. It’s not for optics - he doesn’t care about the optics, he cares about the honor, which is why he was brave enough to show up and then head back to work at the White House.

+1. I'm married to a retired officer. I cannot believe this poster would be that ignorant. Now we harass military officers? Really?

When a military officer goes against Trump, then yes, of course Trumpsters will go after him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think he was required to wear his uniform. So why wear it?

Might I remind you that Bergdahl and McVeigh were both veterans/military? Everyone who wears a uniform isn’t always honest.

Might I remind you that Nixon was a crook and a liar. Everyone sitting in the WH isn't always honest.

In another thread about the US pulling out of Kurdish area, some military person (who knows if he was really in the military) said it was fine to pull out.. why should we be there... etc... to which I responded that the poster was an idiot to not realize the significance of having allies there. Then, someone else (or that PP) replied, in shouty capitals... HOW DARE YOU DISHONOR SOMEONE IN THE MILITARY. So, let me return the favor... HOW DARE YOU DISHONOR A *DECORATED* VETERAN.

Also, I could've sworn Trumpters said military people love Trump.

Every military veteran knows that not all military veterans are good people. A quick search of the internet will tell you that. Again, was he required to be in uniform? If not, then why? Optics? Who asked him to wear it? Why would he make the decision to wear it?

It IS fine to pull your men out of areas where it’s a sure bet they will be killed. Beirut taught us that lesson, sadly.

Of course. LOL. Yes, I know there are some terrible people in the military, namely white supremacists who support Trump. But, whenever anyone calls some folks in the military idiots, then Trumpsters post in shouty capitals "HOW DARE YOU DISPARAGE MILITARY PEOPLE". LOL

It's not fine to pull out our military in areas where our key allies are. If you are in the military, then you are indeed an idiot, but I suspect you are not in the military, but you are still an idiot.

[Anonymous]

It has always been standard for an Army officer to wear his/her Class A uniform when testifying before Congress. I don't know if there's a specific regulation, but it's what my DH was told to wear when he appeared before Congress a few years ago.

Example - Remember Oliver North testifying in his uniform?

[Anonymous]

He’s active duty and is expected to wear a uniform when a civilian would wear a suit. He’s comfortable in it, which is good since he answers questions for 10+ hours, and probably is justifiably proud of his service. It’s not for optics - he doesn’t care about the optics, he cares about the honor, which is why he was brave enough to show up and then head back to work at the White House.

Pictures of him at the White House show him wearing a suit. That is not unusual for military officers. DH wore a suit when he worked at a facility that was mostly civilian. He was directed to wear a suit--maybe so he would blend in? Interesting that the LTC chose to wear a uniform yesterday.

Don't know the protocol on this, but DH has great trouble with the guy testifying at all. Of course, DH is old school. The President is CIC. He has the right to set foreign policy. From his opening statement, the LTC confirms what was written in the transcript. So, he testified to his opinion of the foreign policy. His job as a military officer is not to set foreign policy. Period.

[Anonymous]

The uniform question from a PP is meant to distract, obviously, but to answer it:

1. Yes, he has the right and the obligation to wear it on solemn occasions, and what more solemn occasion could there be than a sworn deposition before congressional committees?

2. Yes, it helps people take him seriously, so of course he would wish to present himself to the best of his ability.

There is no nefarious purpose in wearing one's own uniform, for goodness' sake.

[Anonymous]

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He’s active duty and is expected to wear a uniform when a civilian would wear a suit. He’s comfortable in it, which is good since he answers questions for 10+ hours, and probably is justifiably proud of his service. It’s not for optics - he doesn’t care about the optics, he cares about the honor, which is why he was brave enough to show up and then head back to work at the White House.

Pictures of him at the White House show him wearing a suit. That is not unusual for military officers. DH wore a suit when he worked at a facility that was mostly civilian. He was directed to wear a suit--maybe so he would blend in? Interesting that the LTC chose to wear a uniform yesterday.

Don't know the protocol on this, but DH has great trouble with the guy testifying at all. Of course, DH is old school. The President is CIC. He has the right to set foreign policy. From his opening statement, the LTC confirms what was written in the transcript. So, he testified to his opinion of the foreign policy. His job as a military officer is not to set foreign policy. Period.

Wrong.

He testified that the conversation mentioned Joe Biden and Burisma, and that the transcript did NOT, which should be a game-changer for the people who insisted that there was no direct mention of his political rival and therefore nothing wrong with the call.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

He’s active duty and is expected to wear a uniform when a civilian would wear a suit. He’s comfortable in it, which is good since he answers questions for 10+ hours, and probably is justifiably proud of his service. It’s not for optics - he doesn’t care about the optics, he cares about the honor, which is why he was brave enough to show up and then head back to work at the White House.

Pictures of him at the White House show him wearing a suit. That is not unusual for military officers. DH wore a suit when he worked at a facility that was mostly civilian. He was directed to wear a suit--maybe so he would blend in? Interesting that the LTC chose to wear a uniform yesterday.

Don't know the protocol on this, but DH has great trouble with the guy testifying at all. Of course, DH is old school. The President is CIC. He has the right to set foreign policy. From his opening statement, the LTC confirms what was written in the transcript. So, he testified to his opinion of the foreign policy. His job as a military officer is not to set foreign policy. Period.

I'm sorry your husband believes Trump trying to extort a foreign government into making up dirt on a political opponent is just regular old foreign policy, and that everyone who has sworn allegiance to the United States would be expected to pretend that he's not just a corrupt self-dealer. Did he also believe Nixon had every right to break into the Watergate because after all, he can set domestic policy, too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think he was required to wear his uniform. So why wear it?

Might I remind you that Bergdahl and McVeigh were both veterans/military? Everyone who wears a uniform isn’t always honest.

Might I remind you that Nixon was a crook and a liar. Everyone sitting in the WH isn't always honest.

In another thread about the US pulling out of Kurdish area, some military person (who knows if he was really in the military) said it was fine to pull out.. why should we be there... etc... to which I responded that the poster was an idiot to not realize the significance of having allies there. Then, someone else (or that PP) replied, in shouty capitals... HOW DARE YOU DISHONOR SOMEONE IN THE MILITARY. So, let me return the favor... HOW DARE YOU DISHONOR A *DECORATED* VETERAN.

Also, I could've sworn Trumpters said military people love Trump.

Every military veteran knows that not all military veterans are good people. A quick search of the internet will tell you that. Again, was he required to be in uniform? If not, then why? Optics? Who asked him to wear it? Why would he make the decision to wear it?

It IS fine to pull your men out of areas where it’s a sure bet they will be killed. Beirut taught us that lesson, sadly.

He is not a veteran, he is active duty.

[Anonymous]

I don't know why anyone is surprised by the GOP trying to smear a vet or active duty personnel. They ran entire campaigns slandering the service of John Kerry and Max Cleland. The military is a prop for them, nothing more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

He’s active duty and is expected to wear a uniform when a civilian would wear a suit. He’s comfortable in it, which is good since he answers questions for 10+ hours, and probably is justifiably proud of his service. It’s not for optics - he doesn’t care about the optics, he cares about the honor, which is why he was brave enough to show up and then head back to work at the White House.

Pictures of him at the White House show him wearing a suit. That is not unusual for military officers. DH wore a suit when he worked at a facility that was mostly civilian. He was directed to wear a suit--maybe so he would blend in? Interesting that the LTC chose to wear a uniform yesterday.

Don't know the protocol on this, but DH has great trouble with the guy testifying at all. Of course, DH is old school. The President is CIC. He has the right to set foreign policy. From his opening statement, the LTC confirms what was written in the transcript. So, he testified to his opinion of the foreign policy. His job as a military officer is not to set foreign policy. Period.

Your DH sounds like an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why anyone is surprised by the GOP trying to smear a vet or active duty personnel. They ran entire campaigns slandering the service of John Kerry and Max Cleland. The military is a prop for them, nothing more.

And John McCain. And Robert Mueller. And Colin Powell. And Tammy Duckworth. And the gold star Khan family. And gold star mom Cindy Sheehan. Both Ronald Reagan and Pat Buchanan called George Bush, who flew 58 combat missions, a wimp. It’s a tale as old as time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think he was required to wear his uniform. So why wear it?

Might I remind you that Bergdahl and McVeigh were both veterans/military? Everyone who wears a uniform isn’t always honest.

Might I remind you that Nixon was a crook and a liar. Everyone sitting in the WH isn't always honest.

In another thread about the US pulling out of Kurdish area, some military person (who knows if he was really in the military) said it was fine to pull out.. why should we be there... etc... to which I responded that the poster was an idiot to not realize the significance of having allies there. Then, someone else (or that PP) replied, in shouty capitals... HOW DARE YOU DISHONOR SOMEONE IN THE MILITARY. So, let me return the favor... HOW DARE YOU DISHONOR A *DECORATED* VETERAN.

Also, I could've sworn Trumpters said military people love Trump.

Every military veteran knows that not all military veterans are good people. A quick search of the internet will tell you that. Again, was he required to be in uniform? If not, then why? Optics? Who asked him to wear it? Why would he make the decision to wear it?

It IS fine to pull your men out of areas where it’s a sure bet they will be killed. Beirut taught us that lesson, sadly.

WTF is wrong with Cult45? They demonize AA for taking knee to protest against police brutality and call it unpatriotic, yet do not want to shred military person without any evidence of wrong doing just because he dared to speak up against the what their dear leader is pushing!

When would this downward spiral stop? I work in a project where my customers are defense personnel. They wear their uniform to our meetings. Only they change into civilian clothes is when we go to dinner as a team. What is wrong in that?

[Anonymous]

^^^ yet do not want to shred military person without => yet have no shame to shred military person without

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

He’s active duty and is expected to wear a uniform when a civilian would wear a suit. He’s comfortable in it, which is good since he answers questions for 10+ hours, and probably is justifiably proud of his service. It’s not for optics - he doesn’t care about the optics, he cares about the honor, which is why he was brave enough to show up and then head back to work at the White House.

Pictures of him at the White House show him wearing a suit. That is not unusual for military officers. DH wore a suit when he worked at a facility that was mostly civilian. He was directed to wear a suit--maybe so he would blend in? Interesting that the LTC chose to wear a uniform yesterday.

Don't know the protocol on this, but DH has great trouble with the guy testifying at all. Of course, DH is old school. The President is CIC. He has the right to set foreign policy. From his opening statement, the LTC confirms what was written in the transcript. So, he testified to his opinion of the foreign policy. His job as a military officer is not to set foreign policy. Period.

Your DH sounds like an idiot.

+1 CiC has the right to set foreign policy, but not use his position for personal political gain. You and your DH are idiots for not being able to tell the difference. LTC stated that there were missing pieces in the transcript. Maybe you and your DH should read other sources.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/30/alexander-vindman-ukraine-testimony-impeachment-061639

The Wall Street Journal reported that Vindman also testified that the White House’s readout of the call had missing words and phrases, and that he was unsuccessful in attempting to restore all the omissions to the rough transcript.