Athletic groups at Deal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Watched the Deal game yesterday and wow has the talent pool taken a deep dive. I have plenty of friends kids that were cut that can play ten times better than majority of kids on the team. Deal has always been known to be highly competitive but that era has ended with the bad decisions of this coach.

I'm pretty sure that this parent knows nothing about basketball, or they would have more objective criteria for why they think kids who were cut should not have been. If they had said "I know 10 kids who started for TTO teams that won X, Y and Z tournaments" that might have some credibility. Seeing your kid's friends play on the playground doesn't tell you anything.

Right?! I’ve seen both teams play. They another have 2-3 really good players then fill ins. No way anyone cut was 10 times better. Maybe competitive to a kid on the bench but that can vary in the eye of the beholder or not so much with someone with a lot of basketball/coaching skill. I’ve coached many b-ball teams. On the naked eye, two kids could be similar in talent, but one could have a fierce advantage due to many things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well the 7/8 girls team is pretty dominant and the 6th grade girls season hasn't started yet, so perhaps the comment on the talent pool wasn't referring to the score of the games. Or it was just a random comment not based on anything real.

PP is a bitter parent of a kid that didn’t make the team. 7/8 boys beat Brookland 71-59 and 6th grade boys beat Raymond (a 7/8 grade team) 43-24. They both played very well with only 1 practice before game.

I made the comment and not a bitter parent. My child doenst play basketball but children of friends do. Yes, the 7/8th team won but, i saw kids who could barely dribble and rebound. Strong AAU players didnt make the team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well the 7/8 girls team is pretty dominant and the 6th grade girls season hasn't started yet, so perhaps the comment on the talent pool wasn't referring to the score of the games. Or it was just a random comment not based on anything real.

PP is a bitter parent of a kid that didn’t make the team. 7/8 boys beat Brookland 71-59 and 6th grade boys beat Raymond (a 7/8 grade team) 43-24. They both played very well with only 1 practice before game.

I made the comment and not a bitter parent. My child doenst play basketball but children of friends do. Yes, the 7/8th team won but, i saw kids who could barely dribble and rebound. Strong AAU players didnt make the team.

Kids who are still in the developmental stage of mastering the fundamentals were chosen on kids who have played on the AAU circuit since elementary school. Deal will eventually play schools on the other side of town with kids who are reclasses and have a long resume of basketball. From what i saw 4 players will need to carry the rest of the team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well the 7/8 girls team is pretty dominant and the 6th grade girls season hasn't started yet, so perhaps the comment on the talent pool wasn't referring to the score of the games. Or it was just a random comment not based on anything real.

PP is a bitter parent of a kid that didn’t make the team. 7/8 boys beat Brookland 71-59 and 6th grade boys beat Raymond (a 7/8 grade team) 43-24. They both played very well with only 1 practice before game.

I made the comment and not a bitter parent. My child doenst play basketball but children of friends do. Yes, the 7/8th team won but, i saw kids who could barely dribble and rebound. Strong AAU players didnt make the team.

Kids who are still in the developmental stage of mastering the fundamentals were chosen on kids who have played on the AAU circuit since elementary school. Deal will eventually play schools on the other side of town with kids who are reclasses and have a long resume of basketball. From what i saw 4 players will need to carry the rest of the team.

That’s how it works in b-ball. I call total BS that strong AAU players didn’t make it. Maybe developmental type AAU teams. Not serious AAU players. I know the kids on both sides. I saw part of a tryout day. There is not ONE strong player (starting quality) that got cut and that’s a fact. It’s not about fancy dribbling for 3-4 players on the court. I can tell you don’t really know basketball and rely on fancy dribbling to sway your impression of what’s “good”.

[Anonymous]

In fact, in basketball, it’s usually only 2-3 that carry the whole team. Others are simply role players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well the 7/8 girls team is pretty dominant and the 6th grade girls season hasn't started yet, so perhaps the comment on the talent pool wasn't referring to the score of the games. Or it was just a random comment not based on anything real.

PP is a bitter parent of a kid that didn’t make the team. 7/8 boys beat Brookland 71-59 and 6th grade boys beat Raymond (a 7/8 grade team) 43-24. They both played very well with only 1 practice before game.

I made the comment and not a bitter parent. My child doenst play basketball but children of friends do. Yes, the 7/8th team won but, i saw kids who could barely dribble and rebound. Strong AAU players didnt make the team.

Kids who are still in the developmental stage of mastering the fundamentals were chosen on kids who have played on the AAU circuit since elementary school. Deal will eventually play schools on the other side of town with kids who are reclasses and have a long resume of basketball. From what i saw 4 players will need to carry the rest of the team.

That’s how it works in b-ball. I call total BS that strong AAU players didn’t make it. Maybe developmental type AAU teams. Not serious AAU players. I know the kids on both sides. I saw part of a tryout day. There is not ONE strong player (starting quality) that got cut and that’s a fact. It’s not about fancy dribbling for 3-4 players on the court. I can tell you don’t really know basketball and rely on fancy dribbling to sway your impression of what’s “good”.

Agree, and sometimes kids are chosen for athleticism and potential as well. That happened with one of my kids at a different middle school. He is extremely quick and aggressive and very fit from his years of soccer. He made his middle school team over some less athletic AAU kids despite only ever having played rec and pick up. After the coach announced the final roster, he took my son aside and asked if he had actually ever played basketball before. Often there are bench players who fall into this “project” category.

[Anonymous]

There is a pretty abrupt sorting process that happens in late middle school and freshman year of high school. My kid played AAU with several kids who were nationally ranked in middle school by the absurd and obscure sports outlets that rank tweens. By high school, they were nothing special and had been surpassed by kids whose strength, athleticism and quickness had caught up (and who were in most cases much taller).

[Anonymous]

Well once Deal starts playing teams like Jefferson you will see the true talent on the team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well once Deal starts playing teams like Jefferson you will see the true talent on the team.

There’s actually some truth to this. By large, basketball is just not a rich, white upperclass sport. The richer and whiter Deal gets, the less competitive they will continue to be. As it stands, most of the “good” players come from Shepherd or maybe OOB Hearst. Paying for private coaching, AAU leagues, indoor clinics only get you so far in basketball. Most AAU teams are a gimmick designed to collect a check. 90% of the AAU teams Deal kids are on couldn’t win one game in a real AAU tournament, even win a Jelleff game. So when people cry that their “AAU” kid didn’t make it, that doesn’t mean much. Clinics and private coaching starts to become more important in high school if you’ve already shown yourself to be a true baller. Raw athleticism starts to be a determining factor in b-ball at 6th grade. Most true ballers are made in the street. They play pick up basketball outside every single day, even in 30 degree weather. And not just shooting hoops on your parent’s garage hoop. There just isn’t that much happening in the Deal boundaries. I see plenty of kids playing pick-up style soccer and baseball at the parks in upper NW but not any hard pounding pick up basketball. Not to mention, the physical strength and height is just not at Deal anymore. I see plenty of middle school boys there that haven’t even reached 5 feet yet and still wearing kid size shoes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well once Deal starts playing teams like Jefferson you will see the true talent on the team.

There’s actually some truth to this. By large, basketball is just not a rich, white upperclass sport. The richer and whiter Deal gets, the less competitive they will continue to be. As it stands, most of the “good” players come from Shepherd or maybe OOB Hearst. Paying for private coaching, AAU leagues, indoor clinics only get you so far in basketball. Most AAU teams are a gimmick designed to collect a check. 90% of the AAU teams Deal kids are on couldn’t win one game in a real AAU tournament, even win a Jelleff game. So when people cry that their “AAU” kid didn’t make it, that doesn’t mean much. Clinics and private coaching starts to become more important in high school if you’ve already shown yourself to be a true baller. Raw athleticism starts to be a determining factor in b-ball at 6th grade. Most true ballers are made in the street. They play pick up basketball outside every single day, even in 30 degree weather. And not just shooting hoops on your parent’s garage hoop. There just isn’t that much happening in the Deal boundaries. I see plenty of kids playing pick-up style soccer and baseball at the parks in upper NW but not any hard pounding pick up basketball. Not to mention, the physical strength and height is just not at Deal anymore. I see plenty of middle school boys there that haven’t even reached 5 feet yet and still wearing kid size shoes.

Finally the voice of truth and reason shows up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well once Deal starts playing teams like Jefferson you will see the true talent on the team.

There’s actually some truth to this. By large, basketball is just not a rich, white upperclass sport. The richer and whiter Deal gets, the less competitive they will continue to be. As it stands, most of the “good” players come from Shepherd or maybe OOB Hearst. Paying for private coaching, AAU leagues, indoor clinics only get you so far in basketball. Most AAU teams are a gimmick designed to collect a check. 90% of the AAU teams Deal kids are on couldn’t win one game in a real AAU tournament, even win a Jelleff game. So when people cry that their “AAU” kid didn’t make it, that doesn’t mean much. Clinics and private coaching starts to become more important in high school if you’ve already shown yourself to be a true baller. Raw athleticism starts to be a determining factor in b-ball at 6th grade. Most true ballers are made in the street. They play pick up basketball outside every single day, even in 30 degree weather. And not just shooting hoops on your parent’s garage hoop. There just isn’t that much happening in the Deal boundaries. I see plenty of kids playing pick-up style soccer and baseball at the parks in upper NW but not any hard pounding pick up basketball. Not to mention, the physical strength and height is just not at Deal anymore. I see plenty of middle school boys there that haven’t even reached 5 feet yet and still wearing kid size shoes.

I don’t think there are any Shepherd kids on the team this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well once Deal starts playing teams like Jefferson you will see the true talent on the team.

There’s actually some truth to this. By large, basketball is just not a rich, white upperclass sport. The richer and whiter Deal gets, the less competitive they will continue to be. As it stands, most of the “good” players come from Shepherd or maybe OOB Hearst. Paying for private coaching, AAU leagues, indoor clinics only get you so far in basketball. Most AAU teams are a gimmick designed to collect a check. 90% of the AAU teams Deal kids are on couldn’t win one game in a real AAU tournament, even win a Jelleff game. So when people cry that their “AAU” kid didn’t make it, that doesn’t mean much. Clinics and private coaching starts to become more important in high school if you’ve already shown yourself to be a true baller. Raw athleticism starts to be a determining factor in b-ball at 6th grade. Most true ballers are made in the street. They play pick up basketball outside every single day, even in 30 degree weather. And not just shooting hoops on your parent’s garage hoop. There just isn’t that much happening in the Deal boundaries. I see plenty of kids playing pick-up style soccer and baseball at the parks in upper NW but not any hard pounding pick up basketball. Not to mention, the physical strength and height is just not at Deal anymore. I see plenty of middle school boys there that haven’t even reached 5 feet yet and still wearing kid size shoes.

I don’t think there are any Shepherd kids on the team this year.

Two of the best kids on 7/8 team are from Shepherd or Shepherd Park. 4 of the 5 starters on 6th grade team are from Shepherd or Shepherd Park.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well once Deal starts playing teams like Jefferson you will see the true talent on the team.

There’s actually some truth to this. By large, basketball is just not a rich, white upperclass sport. The richer and whiter Deal gets, the less competitive they will continue to be. As it stands, most of the “good” players come from Shepherd or maybe OOB Hearst. Paying for private coaching, AAU leagues, indoor clinics only get you so far in basketball. Most AAU teams are a gimmick designed to collect a check. 90% of the AAU teams Deal kids are on couldn’t win one game in a real AAU tournament, even win a Jelleff game. So when people cry that their “AAU” kid didn’t make it, that doesn’t mean much. Clinics and private coaching starts to become more important in high school if you’ve already shown yourself to be a true baller. Raw athleticism starts to be a determining factor in b-ball at 6th grade. Most true ballers are made in the street. They play pick up basketball outside every single day, even in 30 degree weather. And not just shooting hoops on your parent’s garage hoop. There just isn’t that much happening in the Deal boundaries. I see plenty of kids playing pick-up style soccer and baseball at the parks in upper NW but not any hard pounding pick up basketball. Not to mention, the physical strength and height is just not at Deal anymore. I see plenty of middle school boys there that haven’t even reached 5 feet yet and still wearing kid size shoes.

Finally the voice of truth and reason shows up.

Yeah, just like Sidwell Friends High School - the DCSAA 2019 Boys Champions. You know-it-alls should open your minds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well once Deal starts playing teams like Jefferson you will see the true talent on the team.

There’s actually some truth to this. By large, basketball is just not a rich, white upperclass sport. The richer and whiter Deal gets, the less competitive they will continue to be. As it stands, most of the “good” players come from Shepherd or maybe OOB Hearst. Paying for private coaching, AAU leagues, indoor clinics only get you so far in basketball. Most AAU teams are a gimmick designed to collect a check. 90% of the AAU teams Deal kids are on couldn’t win one game in a real AAU tournament, even win a Jelleff game. So when people cry that their “AAU” kid didn’t make it, that doesn’t mean much. Clinics and private coaching starts to become more important in high school if you’ve already shown yourself to be a true baller. Raw athleticism starts to be a determining factor in b-ball at 6th grade. Most true ballers are made in the street. They play pick up basketball outside every single day, even in 30 degree weather. And not just shooting hoops on your parent’s garage hoop. There just isn’t that much happening in the Deal boundaries. I see plenty of kids playing pick-up style soccer and baseball at the parks in upper NW but not any hard pounding pick up basketball. Not to mention, the physical strength and height is just not at Deal anymore. I see plenty of middle school boys there that haven’t even reached 5 feet yet and still wearing kid size shoes.

Finally the voice of truth and reason shows up.

Yeah, just like Sidwell Friends High School - the DCSAA 2019 Boys Champions. You know-it-alls should open your minds.

What does that have to do with anything? I suspect you’re trying to make this a race thing. Sidwell b-ball players are real athletes. They’re the best of the best at what they do. 75% of the team are 6’3 or above. Your post actually reinforced above comment.

Current team: https://twitter.com/sfsquakers/status/1203812002470285312?s=21

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well once Deal starts playing teams like Jefferson you will see the true talent on the team.

There’s actually some truth to this. By large, basketball is just not a rich, white upperclass sport. The richer and whiter Deal gets, the less competitive they will continue to be. As it stands, most of the “good” players come from Shepherd or maybe OOB Hearst. Paying for private coaching, AAU leagues, indoor clinics only get you so far in basketball. Most AAU teams are a gimmick designed to collect a check. 90% of the AAU teams Deal kids are on couldn’t win one game in a real AAU tournament, even win a Jelleff game. So when people cry that their “AAU” kid didn’t make it, that doesn’t mean much. Clinics and private coaching starts to become more important in high school if you’ve already shown yourself to be a true baller. Raw athleticism starts to be a determining factor in b-ball at 6th grade. Most true ballers are made in the street. They play pick up basketball outside every single day, even in 30 degree weather. And not just shooting hoops on your parent’s garage hoop. There just isn’t that much happening in the Deal boundaries. I see plenty of kids playing pick-up style soccer and baseball at the parks in upper NW but not any hard pounding pick up basketball. Not to mention, the physical strength and height is just not at Deal anymore. I see plenty of middle school boys there that haven’t even reached 5 feet yet and still wearing kid size shoes.

Finally the voice of truth and reason shows up.

Yeah, just like Sidwell Friends High School - the DCSAA 2019 Boys Champions. You know-it-alls should open your minds.

Sidwells defeat of Wikson for the championship was more about basketball IQ than athleticism. Wilson and other teams were simply outcoached and strategy was superb. The boys did their work and studied the weakness of each team and executed.