no trolling - comparing MoCo vs WOTP DCPS schools

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The kids come up with these observations unprompted. I’d tell you more but you couldn’t take it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The kids come up with these observations unprompted. I’d tell you more but you couldn’t take it.

Np who concurs, completely unprompted, that you are pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Look let’s just end the thread now. Here is the deal with DCPS.

We live in DC, love the city, and want to stay in the city. But our eyes are wide open to the weakness of DCPS in upper elementary, and much worst middle and high school. We know there is no tracking, and the advance kids are not fully challenged. Our child is young, and when the time comes when we see that this becomes a problem, we are going private. For families who can’t afford it, they either move to the burbs or try to supplement extensively outside of school with tutors, etc..,

Parents with advance students who don’t supplement extensively and want to delude themselves that they are being adequately challenged can continue to do so. But eventually they will face reality whether that be SAT scores, applying to test in high schools, or in college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a huge waste of time thread. It would be more productive to argue over whether Mercedes is better than BMW.

Can't we do better?

Is BMW better than Hyundai?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The kids come up with these observations unprompted. I’d tell you more but you couldn’t take it.

Np who concurs, completely unprompted, that you are pathetic.

Lol. you just proved my point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the Janney parent above and there is zero formal differentiation at Janney. My kids did (and do) well with no effort and always get 5's on the PARCC. When we asked about more, it was suggested that they join the lunch time math club. My neighbor's kid is a true prodigy (doing math 5 grades up, etc). The parents had many meetings and were also provided with nothing except for suggestions about the math club and for a few weeks one year their kids was given extra work-sheets. They were far more frustrated than we were because they have a kid who truly needs differentiation and was bored out of his mind (but well behaved because he's a quiet kid) and the school provided nothing year after year. This school is 100% in the business of teaching AT GRADE LEVEL and providing a ton of support for kids who are behind. But zero, nothing for kids who are ahead, even many years ahead.

Maybe it's different across the park where the array of ability is much wider. At a school like Janney, I'd guess you have 75% of kids functioning very easily at grade level. 20% who lag behind in some way and 5% who are ahead.

Murch differentiates and it isn't a PTA thing, and teachers have professional development on how to do it well. It is school driven coming from the top, not from the PTA.

Janney apparently doesn't. I've been told by teachers there (and a few parents who switched schools and were shocked at the difference) that Janney is all about the PARCC and teaching to the test, so teaching ahead doesn't help them (and may hurt). But they do get the good test scores out of kids.

Right, and I have been told by my 8th grader (a Janney grad, high performer, most advanced math, yada, yada, yada) that the strongest students come from Janney and Lafayette, then Murch and Eaton and I don’t hear a lot about Bancroft and Shepherd likely because the groups are smaller. My child is a fairly astute observer and in many ways not a Janney booster. This is the last 8th grade class where Eaton had the right to attend for those that might be confused by this list.

You actually have these kinds of conversations with your eighth grader? Honestly, this is one the most pathetic things I’ve ever read on DCUM. Obviously the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Plus it isn't true.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the Janney parent above and there is zero formal differentiation at Janney. My kids did (and do) well with no effort and always get 5's on the PARCC. When we asked about more, it was suggested that they join the lunch time math club. My neighbor's kid is a true prodigy (doing math 5 grades up, etc). The parents had many meetings and were also provided with nothing except for suggestions about the math club and for a few weeks one year their kids was given extra work-sheets. They were far more frustrated than we were because they have a kid who truly needs differentiation and was bored out of his mind (but well behaved because he's a quiet kid) and the school provided nothing year after year. This school is 100% in the business of teaching AT GRADE LEVEL and providing a ton of support for kids who are behind. But zero, nothing for kids who are ahead, even many years ahead.

Maybe it's different across the park where the array of ability is much wider. At a school like Janney, I'd guess you have 75% of kids functioning very easily at grade level. 20% who lag behind in some way and 5% who are ahead.

Murch differentiates and it isn't a PTA thing, and teachers have professional development on how to do it well. It is school driven coming from the top, not from the PTA.

Janney apparently doesn't. I've been told by teachers there (and a few parents who switched schools and were shocked at the difference) that Janney is all about the PARCC and teaching to the test, so teaching ahead doesn't help them (and may hurt). But they do get the good test scores out of kids.

Right, and I have been told by my 8th grader (a Janney grad, high performer, most advanced math, yada, yada, yada) that the strongest students come from Janney and Lafayette, then Murch and Eaton and I don’t hear a lot about Bancroft and Shepherd likely because the groups are smaller. My child is a fairly astute observer and in many ways not a Janney booster. This is the last 8th grade class where Eaton had the right to attend for those that might be confused by this list.

You actually have these kinds of conversations with your eighth grader? Honestly, this is one the most pathetic things I’ve ever read on DCUM. Obviously the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Plus it isn't true.

yes, what a totally bizarre conversation to have with your kid. I have 2 kids at Deal (from a JKLM feeder) and I don't think either one could even tell me who the "strongest students" are. Academics are important to both of my kids--they just through all the Deal hoops to get As--but I don't think they could begin to tell me how all their friends do in school. And we would never talk about it together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the Janney parent above and there is zero formal differentiation at Janney. My kids did (and do) well with no effort and always get 5's on the PARCC. When we asked about more, it was suggested that they join the lunch time math club. My neighbor's kid is a true prodigy (doing math 5 grades up, etc). The parents had many meetings and were also provided with nothing except for suggestions about the math club and for a few weeks one year their kids was given extra work-sheets. They were far more frustrated than we were because they have a kid who truly needs differentiation and was bored out of his mind (but well behaved because he's a quiet kid) and the school provided nothing year after year. This school is 100% in the business of teaching AT GRADE LEVEL and providing a ton of support for kids who are behind. But zero, nothing for kids who are ahead, even many years ahead.

Maybe it's different across the park where the array of ability is much wider. At a school like Janney, I'd guess you have 75% of kids functioning very easily at grade level. 20% who lag behind in some way and 5% who are ahead.

Murch differentiates and it isn't a PTA thing, and teachers have professional development on how to do it well. It is school driven coming from the top, not from the PTA.

Janney apparently doesn't. I've been told by teachers there (and a few parents who switched schools and were shocked at the difference) that Janney is all about the PARCC and teaching to the test, so teaching ahead doesn't help them (and may hurt). But they do get the good test scores out of kids.

Right, and I have been told by my 8th grader (a Janney grad, high performer, most advanced math, yada, yada, yada) that the strongest students come from Janney and Lafayette, then Murch and Eaton and I don’t hear a lot about Bancroft and Shepherd likely because the groups are smaller. My child is a fairly astute observer and in many ways not a Janney booster. This is the last 8th grade class where Eaton had the right to attend for those that might be confused by this list.

You actually have these kinds of conversations with your eighth grader? Honestly, this is one the most pathetic things I’ve ever read on DCUM. Obviously the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Plus it isn't true.

yes, what a totally bizarre conversation to have with your kid. I have 2 kids at Deal (from a JKLM feeder) and I don't think either one could even tell me who the "strongest students" are. Academics are important to both of my kids--they just through all the Deal hoops to get As--but I don't think they could begin to tell me how all their friends do in school. And we would never talk about it together.

Same same same.

(Although this sub-thread does validate my kid’s observation that the most obnoxious kids at Deal come from Janney.)

[Anonymous]

Oh, Janney parents. Will they talk about Janney in grad school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look let’s just end the thread now. Here is the deal with DCPS.

We live in DC, love the city, and want to stay in the city. But our eyes are wide open to the weakness of DCPS in upper elementary, and much worst middle and high school. We know there is no tracking, and the advance kids are not fully challenged. Our child is young, and when the time comes when we see that this becomes a problem, we are going private. For families who can’t afford it, they either move to the burbs or try to supplement extensively outside of school with tutors, etc..,

Parents with advance students who don’t supplement extensively and want to delude themselves that they are being adequately challenged can continue to do so. But eventually they will face reality whether that be SAT scores, applying to test in high schools, or in college.

how about if I actually don't care that my child is "adequately challenged" (whatever that means) because I believe he is naturally intelligent and creative? Also, have you seen Wilson and Wall's college acceptance stats? Do you think the kids at Banneker aren't challenged?

anyway, enjoy the burbs, with all their adequate challenges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the Janney parent above and there is zero formal differentiation at Janney. My kids did (and do) well with no effort and always get 5's on the PARCC. When we asked about more, it was suggested that they join the lunch time math club. My neighbor's kid is a true prodigy (doing math 5 grades up, etc). The parents had many meetings and were also provided with nothing except for suggestions about the math club and for a few weeks one year their kids was given extra work-sheets. They were far more frustrated than we were because they have a kid who truly needs differentiation and was bored out of his mind (but well behaved because he's a quiet kid) and the school provided nothing year after year. This school is 100% in the business of teaching AT GRADE LEVEL and providing a ton of support for kids who are behind. But zero, nothing for kids who are ahead, even many years ahead.

Maybe it's different across the park where the array of ability is much wider. At a school like Janney, I'd guess you have 75% of kids functioning very easily at grade level. 20% who lag behind in some way and 5% who are ahead.

Murch differentiates and it isn't a PTA thing, and teachers have professional development on how to do it well. It is school driven coming from the top, not from the PTA.

Janney apparently doesn't. I've been told by teachers there (and a few parents who switched schools and were shocked at the difference) that Janney is all about the PARCC and teaching to the test, so teaching ahead doesn't help them (and may hurt). But they do get the good test scores out of kids.

Right, and I have been told by my 8th grader (a Janney grad, high performer, most advanced math, yada, yada, yada) that the strongest students come from Janney and Lafayette, then Murch and Eaton and I don’t hear a lot about Bancroft and Shepherd likely because the groups are smaller. My child is a fairly astute observer and in many ways not a Janney booster. This is the last 8th grade class where Eaton had the right to attend for those that might be confused by this list.

You actually have these kinds of conversations with your eighth grader? Honestly, this is one the most pathetic things I’ve ever read on DCUM. Obviously the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Plus it isn't true.

yes, what a totally bizarre conversation to have with your kid. I have 2 kids at Deal (from a JKLM feeder) and I don't think either one could even tell me who the "strongest students" are. Academics are important to both of my kids--they just through all the Deal hoops to get As--but I don't think they could begin to tell me how all their friends do in school. And we would never talk about it together.

Same same same.

(Although this sub-thread does validate my kid’s observation that the most obnoxious kids at Deal come from Janney.)

I did not say anything about grades FWIW, I was responding to an anonymous statement that Janney is all about the PARCC and teaching to the test, which has not been my experience over many years. Also, all the students at Deal know who is on the honor roll (As and Bs) and principals honor roll (all As) every quarter of every year because each team has an assembly to recognize it (and other awards) so you are nuts if you think your kids do not know who are getting all As. There is often (if not always) a list posted online about it. There are all these random threads on here with this battle amongst the all really good schools wanting to one up each other and I had a random conversation with my child a while ago and this came out. Thought I would share as it is just as relevant as anonymous gossip about teaching to the test, which was attempted to be legitimized with attribution to unnamed parents and teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, Janney parents. Will they talk about Janney in grad school?

Seriously. Janney parents live up to their sterotype. My kid started playing with another kid at a Maryland playground near our house and the kid happened to go to Janney and the kid's dad couldn't stop talking about how good a school it was and why he didn't buy in Maryland. No one cares.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look let’s just end the thread now. Here is the deal with DCPS.

We live in DC, love the city, and want to stay in the city. But our eyes are wide open to the weakness of DCPS in upper elementary, and much worst middle and high school. We know there is no tracking, and the advance kids are not fully challenged. Our child is young, and when the time comes when we see that this becomes a problem, we are going private. For families who can’t afford it, they either move to the burbs or try to supplement extensively outside of school with tutors, etc..,

Parents with advance students who don’t supplement extensively and want to delude themselves that they are being adequately challenged can continue to do so. But eventually they will face reality whether that be SAT scores, applying to test in high schools, or in college.

how about if I actually don't care that my child is "adequately challenged" (whatever that means) because I believe he is naturally intelligent and creative? Also, have you seen Wilson and Wall's college acceptance stats? Do you think the kids at Banneker aren't challenged?

anyway, enjoy the burbs, with all their adequate challenges.

It’s obvious you did not thoroughly read the post. They are going private if DCPS doesn’t meet their child’s needs, not to the burbs.

You are an outlier then if you don’t care to challenge your child. Most of us do. Good luck with that “naturally intelligent” in the real cut throat world.

[Anonymous]

None of this goes to the original topic.

Unless someone sends twins to one of each we will just never know and will have to pay attention to our kids to make sure they are getting what they need. No school or school system is perfect. Most people on here know virtually nothing about schools their children did not attend, it confirmation bias leads us all to think we chose the best for our children. Consider yourself lucky if you are happy with the school your child is in. Test scores are only good for trends as there is a new “winner” every year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look let’s just end the thread now. Here is the deal with DCPS.

We live in DC, love the city, and want to stay in the city. But our eyes are wide open to the weakness of DCPS in upper elementary, and much worst middle and high school. We know there is no tracking, and the advance kids are not fully challenged. Our child is young, and when the time comes when we see that this becomes a problem, we are going private. For families who can’t afford it, they either move to the burbs or try to supplement extensively outside of school with tutors, etc..,

Parents with advance students who don’t supplement extensively and want to delude themselves that they are being adequately challenged can continue to do so. But eventually they will face reality whether that be SAT scores, applying to test in high schools, or in college.

how about if I actually don't care that my child is "adequately challenged" (whatever that means) because I believe he is naturally intelligent and creative? Also, have you seen Wilson and Wall's college acceptance stats? Do you think the kids at Banneker aren't challenged?

anyway, enjoy the burbs, with all their adequate challenges.

It’s obvious you did not thoroughly read the post. They are going private if DCPS doesn’t meet their child’s needs, not to the burbs.

You are an outlier then if you don’t care to challenge your child. Most of us do. Good luck with that “naturally intelligent” in the real cut throat world.

My goal is to send a smart kid to college who is not burned out and is not an anxious mess. That's how I was raised, and all my siblings, and we did great. It's called inculcating self-motivation and self-direction. Highly prized on the job market. Meanwhile have fun at Kumon.