Virginia Tech gets 1,000 more freshman than last year

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Anonymous wrote:There is no where to put these kids. There are over 8000 kids that accepted on May 1st. They expected 6600. They are hoping it gets down to at 7500 before August. This is a train wreck

https://www.roanoke.com/news/education/higher_education/virginia_tech/virginia-tech-pushing-capacity-after-admitting-larger-than-anticipated-freshman/article_6e490329-20c5-5ac9-9d23-b12dac164aa0.html


This is a train wreck. There might be kids that, had they known the situation with housing, etc., might have decided they didn't want this, and enrolled at another school. Now May 1st has come on and gone, and they are stuck. Did they really not know until after May 1 that things were headed this way? They could have put out some warnings...


They can see trends. UVA posted before May 1st about how the numbers looked.



+1. All the Virginia state universities are oversubscribed. Parents are waking up to the fact that they can't afford private at 75K a year (well, we couldn't) and going state.


Don’t they have a in-state college tuition plan that started around 15-20 years ago?



LOL. Sure, if you can turn back the clock. Also, how do you know your one year old is going to want to go instate 18 years later?


You are an f’ing idiot. Those plans were popular then and saved up. So people are saying in-state only for their kids around now. My DD’s friend hated UMCP, but her parents set up at MD state tuition 529. So there she is and hating it.

In state Tuition plans and umbilical cord blood banks were all the rage in 2001
IN 2001 we just had the dot com bubble burst, so we as parents looked for something safe. We bought the instate tuition for both our children. We thought of it as their floor. We did not require them to go in state. We thought if the investment" as the portion you need to put into bonds. So we were able to invest the rest into more higher risk but bigger payoff investments. That worked too. In the end, both went out of state. One to an out if state flagship and one to a private school with a large merit scholarship. I wish they would have found a school that fit them better in state, but for some excellent reasons (eg physics is much better elsewhere), they chose different schools. I am glad that we did it anyway as we had the piece of mind for those years. Good friends of ours, did it the same way and "won" the lottery as both are in state (one UVA and one W&M). I think there are many of us too.
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Anonymous wrote:Teachers can be hired, classes added, online courses offered, etc. Housing is the issue.


Online courses? Hell no

You’ve not been to college in a while? Also, math emporium.


Even high schools offer online courses. Hello, personal finance!

Maybe VT will start offering deferred enrollment or Spring admission.

Florida State promotes a full 12 month study abroad for freshman. If I had an incoming VT freshman (non engineering) I’d be looking for something like that for a year.
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Anonymous wrote:Teachers can be hired, classes added, online courses offered, etc. Housing is the issue.


Online courses? Hell no

You’ve not been to college in a while? Also, math emporium.


NP. I have two kids in college and none of them have taken an online course. This must be with state schools.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Teachers can be hired, classes added, online courses offered, etc. Housing is the issue.


Online courses? Hell no

You’ve not been to college in a while? Also, math emporium.


Even high schools offer online courses. Hello, personal finance!

Maybe VT will start offering deferred enrollment or Spring admission.

Florida State promotes a full 12 month study abroad for freshman. If I had an incoming VT freshman (non engineering) I’d be looking for something like that for a year.


Why? They are money making scams to have guaranteed kids when other drop out of college. College isn't expensive enough? Ask how many of those kids graduate in 4 years? None is the correct answer.
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Anonymous wrote:There is no where to put these kids. There are over 8000 kids that accepted on May 1st. They expected 6600. They are hoping it gets down to at 7500 before August. This is a train wreck

https://www.roanoke.com/news/education/higher_education/virginia_tech/virginia-tech-pushing-capacity-after-admitting-larger-than-anticipated-freshman/article_6e490329-20c5-5ac9-9d23-b12dac164aa0.html


This is a train wreck. There might be kids that, had they known the situation with housing, etc., might have decided they didn't want this, and enrolled at another school. Now May 1st has come on and gone, and they are stuck. Did they really not know until after May 1 that things were headed this way? They could have put out some warnings...


They can see trends. UVA posted before May 1st about how the numbers looked.



+1. All the Virginia state universities are oversubscribed. Parents are waking up to the fact that they can't afford private at 75K a year (well, we couldn't) and going state.


Don’t they have a in-state college tuition plan that started around 15-20 years ago?



LOL. Sure, if you can turn back the clock. Also, how do you know your one year old is going to want to go instate 18 years later?


You are an f’ing idiot. Those plans were popular then and saved up. So people are saying in-state only for their kids around now. My DD’s friend hated UMCP, but her parents set up at MD state tuition 529. So there she is and hating it.

In state Tuition plans and umbilical cord blood banks were all the rage in 2001


This is so true. Those blood banks were such a scam. As a nurse, I knew this, but I know so many that did it around 2000-2005. It only lasts 15 years max and there is a 1-2,000 to 1-200,000 you will ever use it. The tuition plans are better, but people didn't realize then that saving in your own name or parent's name was a bad idea due to FAFSA/CSS. Put it in a grandparent's or aunt/uncle without kid's names.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is no where to put these kids. There are over 8000 kids that accepted on May 1st. They expected 6600. They are hoping it gets down to at 7500 before August. This is a train wreck

https://www.roanoke.com/news/education/higher_education/virginia_tech/virginia-tech-pushing-capacity-after-admitting-larger-than-anticipated-freshman/article_6e490329-20c5-5ac9-9d23-b12dac164aa0.html


This is a train wreck. There might be kids that, had they known the situation with housing, etc., might have decided they didn't want this, and enrolled at another school. Now May 1st has come on and gone, and they are stuck. Did they really not know until after May 1 that things were headed this way? They could have put out some warnings...


They can see trends. UVA posted before May 1st about how the numbers looked.



+1. All the Virginia state universities are oversubscribed. Parents are waking up to the fact that they can't afford private at 75K a year (well, we couldn't) and going state.


Don’t they have a in-state college tuition plan that started around 15-20 years ago?



LOL. Sure, if you can turn back the clock. Also, how do you know your one year old is going to want to go instate 18 years later?


You are an f’ing idiot. Those plans were popular then and saved up. So people are saying in-state only for their kids around now. My DD’s friend hated UMCP, but her parents set up at MD state tuition 529. So there she is and hating it.

In state Tuition plans and umbilical cord blood banks were all the rage in 2001


This is so true. Those blood banks were such a scam. As a nurse, I knew this, but I know so many that did it around 2000-2005. It only lasts 15 years max and there is a 1-2,000 to 1-200,000 you will ever use it. The tuition plans are better, but people didn't realize then that saving in your own name or parent's name was a bad idea due to FAFSA/CSS. Put it in a grandparent's or aunt/uncle without kid's names.


This catches up to you in the child's second year of college, if they are applying for any sort of ongoing financial aid. Funds paid to the college on behalf of a particular student, unless it is from a scholarship, will be considered student savings for the subsequent financial aid years.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Teachers can be hired, classes added, online courses offered, etc. Housing is the issue.


Online courses? Hell no

You’ve not been to college in a while? Also, math emporium.


Even high schools offer online courses. Hello, personal finance!

Maybe VT will start offering deferred enrollment or Spring admission.

Florida State promotes a full 12 month study abroad for freshman. If I had an incoming VT freshman (non engineering) I’d be looking for something like that for a year.


Why? They are money making scams to have guaranteed kids when other drop out of college. College isn't expensive enough? Ask how many of those kids graduate in 4 years? None is the correct answer.

I never had the money to study abroad and concluded those programs were just glorified boondoggles for rich kids. May still be true but my own kids have absolutely benefited from them. We’re thrilled that they’re able to see and experience other parts of the world. All while finding relevant coursework. Call it what you will but we’re satisfied.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Teachers can be hired, classes added, online courses offered, etc. Housing is the issue.


Online courses? Hell no

You’ve not been to college in a while? Also, math emporium.


Even high schools offer online courses. Hello, personal finance!

Maybe VT will start offering deferred enrollment or Spring admission.

Florida State promotes a full 12 month study abroad for freshman. If I had an incoming VT freshman (non engineering) I’d be looking for something like that for a year.


Oh, no. Do not do that. You have to pay so much money when you could have just taken a gap year and went abroad for 1/4 of the price. I can not believe people fall for this.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Teachers can be hired, classes added, online courses offered, etc. Housing is the issue.


Online courses? Hell no

You’ve not been to college in a while? Also, math emporium.


Even high schools offer online courses. Hello, personal finance!

Maybe VT will start offering deferred enrollment or Spring admission.

Florida State promotes a full 12 month study abroad for freshman. If I had an incoming VT freshman (non engineering) I’d be looking for something like that for a year.


Oh, no. Do not do that. You have to pay so much money when you could have just taken a gap year and went abroad for 1/4 of the price. I can not believe people fall for this.


VT has a great regular study abroad program in Switzerland. It doesn’t even cost that much more than regular tuition and fees - WAY cheaper than most programs. Don’t panic and try to look for an out if your kid is committed. VT is a good school and they’ll find a way to make it work.
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Anonymous wrote:Harbinger of things to come?

Middle and upper middle class families finally turning their backs to expensive private colleges?

I bet most of the extra 1k freshmen are because they sat down with their parents and looked at the cost of going to a private college and this was the year that many extra people just couldn't justify it anymore. So the claim that had they known of over-enrollment they wouldn't have signed up probably doesn't cut the cake.


DH went to public college but I went to private. DH thinks everyone should just go to their state college and I am coming around to it for other reasons. I really do think grad school is the new college, and we are not independently wealthy & do work for a living as will our kids - so I think they should do state college for undergrad and save the extra money for grad school now, as opposed to private college (unless they get into my Alma mater which is probably unlikely!). We will see how we all feel about this when they’re older - they’re still young.

Anyway - I did read in the articles linked here that this is the most diverse group of freshman in terms of race and first generation going to college. So to the extent VT wants any “help” here - it might be cool if orgs that promote college diversity and first generation college students help out with ideas. This might be cropping up at other colleges in the future as well and it might be a joint goal for everyone to help colleges handle these increased numbers nicely.


Not everyone has to pay full freight, even donut hole and rich people. My DD had 3 school offers that came in lower than her flagship UMCP, which comes to almost 30K with all the added fees. You really have to pay attention to added costs per major, fees, and if your deposit even goes towards your tuition, etc... And Virginia has some of the most expensive in-state tuition. There are more OOS schools with merit packages that are much cheaper, even before looking at privates. Sure, you can't get merit aid at ivy and tippy top schools, but there are some serious good privates , SLAC's and tech schools that offer stellar merit and/or financial aid packages to make it worth going.

I am not saying there is anything wrong with in-state schools, but don't just settle because you think it is the cheapest. Look around and compare. Also compare housing costs sophomore to senior year. Some big state schools have very expensive off campus housing that charge by the person and are even pricier than campus housing. UMCP being one of them. I mean who is paying $900 a month (for minimum 12 months) plus utilities to share tiny apartments in College Park? Insane.

The other thing to look at is 4 year graduation rates. Many state schools are so overcrowded (VT will be one of them) that kids get bumped out of required courses and it takes 4.5 to 5 years to graduate. And then you are paying another year of all those extra fees and tuition. One less year of earning wages at a FT job too. My DD ended up in a school we are paying about $5K more than in state, but their freshman retention rates is over 95%, 4 graduation rates are over 85%, and many kids are graduating with a masters in 4-4.5 years. She can use her merit scholarship to get her masters and she doesn't have to take the GRE or apply to grad schools. All which cost money and take time. So for us, the extra $5K for 4 years is worth the investment.

And no, not everyone goes to grad schools. Sure, med and law students have to. But if you are smart, you get a great package for a BA/BS and get your employer to pay for your graduate school. My daughter might end up doing that as her major does have a lot of that. And many jobs are just fine with just a BA/BS


A lot of what you say is valid, but let's also be pragmatic. How many kids will qualify for merit at out of state? Or at a more expensive private college? We can't always expect that. But it is absolutely wise to keep your mind open and explore all possibilities. Too many people don't do that.

As someone who went to an expensive elite private college virtually all my classmates went on to get advanced degrees. It is pretty unusual to find someone who went to a top private and who did not also go on to grad school. There are exceptions, of course. And not that many employers pay for graduate school and those who do are usually limited to a few thousand a year, not the full costs (some exceptions, of course). If you have a bright and highly capable kid it's more pragmatic to plan on the kid going to grad school someday than not.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Teachers can be hired, classes added, online courses offered, etc. Housing is the issue.


Online courses? Hell no

You’ve not been to college in a while? Also, math emporium.


Even high schools offer online courses. Hello, personal finance!

Maybe VT will start offering deferred enrollment or Spring admission.

Florida State promotes a full 12 month study abroad for freshman. If I had an incoming VT freshman (non engineering) I’d be looking for something like that for a year.


Oh, no. Do not do that. You have to pay so much money when you could have just taken a gap year and went abroad for 1/4 of the price. I can not believe people fall for this.


Just FYI - the Florida State program is a pretty good deal, at least for OOS students. If you do it, you can finish your degree at FSU for in-state tuition.
Anonymous
Found some info from past years.

2018 - needed 1,896 from the waitlist.
2017 - overenrolled
2016 - needed 1,697 from the waitlist.
2015 - overenrolled
2014 - needed 750 from the waitlist.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Found some info from past years.

2018 - needed 1,896 from the waitlist.
2017 - overenrolled
2016 - needed 1,697 from the waitlist.
2015 - overenrolled
2014 - needed 750 from the waitlist.


Those idiots in admission suck at their jobs!
Anonymous
I don't have a dog in this fight as my kids are still in HS. However, a lot of the posters on this thread seem somehow threatened by Tech's popularity or resentful of the fact that they're spending 3x as much to send their kids to some private college. As a somewhat disinterested bystander, I find that telling.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Teachers can be hired, classes added, online courses offered, etc. Housing is the issue.


Online courses? Hell no

You’ve not been to college in a while? Also, math emporium.


Even high schools offer online courses. Hello, personal finance!

Maybe VT will start offering deferred enrollment or Spring admission.

Florida State promotes a full 12 month study abroad for freshman. If I had an incoming VT freshman (non engineering) I’d be looking for something like that for a year.


Oh, no. Do not do that. You have to pay so much money when you could have just taken a gap year and went abroad for 1/4 of the price. I can not believe people fall for this.


Just FYI - the Florida State program is a pretty good deal, at least for OOS students. If you do it, you can finish your degree at FSU for in-state tuition.

Thanks for the info! I knew there was some financial bene when my kid looked into it but I couldn’t find anything when I just looked it up. Smart plan by FSU.
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