Best elementary school for a STEM gifted child?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TPMS is head and shoulders above these schools. It’s no contest and to suggest otherwise is silly.

OK let me put it this way - TPMS feeds into Blair.
It is very clear Wootton students are much stronger (look at the SAT) than Blair students.

If TPMS is stronger, they must have degraded when going to HS?

And look at the number of NMSF, Siemens and intel scholars and winners between Blair and Wootton, just to name these...
It is obvious that Blair is much stronger, head and shoulders above Wootton .

We are talking about the non-magnet part, you know that, right?

we are talking about STEM

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:TPMS is head and shoulders above these schools. It’s no contest and to suggest otherwise is silly.

OK let me put it this way - TPMS feeds into Blair.
It is very clear Wootton students are much stronger (look at the SAT) than Blair students.

If TPMS is stronger, they must have degraded when going to HS?

And look at the number of NMSF, Siemens and intel scholars and winners between Blair and Wootton, just to name these...
It is obvious that Blair is much stronger, head and shoulders above Wootton .

We are talking about the non-magnet part, you know that, right?

we are talking about STEM

I had children in the magnet and non-magnet TPMS. The same teachers taught both parts and we felt it even the non-magnet was incredibly strong. Anyhow, TPMS is a STEM magnet. Trying to argue somehow that it isn't is kind of silly. It is a better school for STEM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:TPMS is head and shoulders above these schools. It’s no contest and to suggest otherwise is silly.

OK let me put it this way - TPMS feeds into Blair.
It is very clear Wootton students are much stronger (look at the SAT) than Blair students.

If TPMS is stronger, they must have degraded when going to HS?

And look at the number of NMSF, Siemens and intel scholars and winners between Blair and Wootton, just to name these...
It is obvious that Blair is much stronger, head and shoulders above Wootton .

We are talking about the non-magnet part, you know that, right?

we are talking about STEM

We are talking about best ES for a STEM kid - and consequently we talk about what MS and then HS the kid will go into by choosing such an ES - provided if the kid does NOT get into a magnet program.

Therefore we are talking about the non-magnet part of these schools.

If you say "Blair Magnet program is the best" or "TPMS magnet program is the best", I do not disagree.
But that is not what we discuss.

And I specifically stated: I talk about the strength of students. I can't see MS students test results, but I can see HS students test results. It is clear that Blair students are around average in the county (if you take out the contribution from the magnet students, then even lower), and Wootton being among the top ones.

Therefore I come to the conclusion that RFMS and CJMS are much stronger in STEM compared to TPMS non-magnet part.

I am not saying that the non-magnet student strength is everything. But I am just stating that as a fact, so that people can make their choices based on facts (maybe some people like their STEM kid to go to a school where the students are not strong in STEM, who knows).

If you want to compare TPMS as a whole, that is your choice, just state it clearly as I did, and we are simply talking about different things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TPMS is head and shoulders above these schools. It’s no contest and to suggest otherwise is silly.

OK let me put it this way - TPMS feeds into Blair.
It is very clear Wootton students are much stronger (look at the SAT) than Blair students.

If TPMS is stronger, they must have degraded when going to HS?

And look at the number of NMSF, Siemens and intel scholars and winners between Blair and Wootton, just to name these...
It is obvious that Blair is much stronger, head and shoulders above Wootton .

We are talking about the non-magnet part, you know that, right?

we are talking about STEM

I had children in the magnet and non-magnet TPMS. The same teachers taught both parts and we felt it even the non-magnet was incredibly strong. Anyhow, TPMS is a STEM magnet. Trying to argue somehow that it isn't is kind of silly. It is a better school for STEM.

An objective standard to see how strong these "non-magnet kids" are in TPMS, is to see how well they do in HS, e.g. the SAT.

When you look at that from Blair data, the results are clear. Your non-magnet kid can easily be an exception (I have no doubt there are strong kids in the non-magnet part, but we are not talking about a few exceptions).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TPMS is head and shoulders above these schools. It’s no contest and to suggest otherwise is silly.

OK let me put it this way - TPMS feeds into Blair.
It is very clear Wootton students are much stronger (look at the SAT) than Blair students.

If TPMS is stronger, they must have degraded when going to HS?

And look at the number of NMSF, Siemens and intel scholars and winners between Blair and Wootton, just to name these...
It is obvious that Blair is much stronger, head and shoulders above Wootton .

We are talking about the non-magnet part, you know that, right?

we are talking about STEM

I had children in the magnet and non-magnet TPMS. The same teachers taught both parts and we felt it even the non-magnet was incredibly strong. Anyhow, TPMS is a STEM magnet. Trying to argue somehow that it isn't is kind of silly. It is a better school for STEM.

Funny, I was just looking at the county's data on this very subject and comparing the SAT's of largest common demographic of Blair and Wooton shows:

Blair 1326
Wooton 1262

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

[Anonymous]

Our child had excellent STEM support in MCPS. Agree find a price point and cluster you like. Good luck

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TPMS is head and shoulders above these schools. It’s no contest and to suggest otherwise is silly.

OK let me put it this way - TPMS feeds into Blair.
It is very clear Wootton students are much stronger (look at the SAT) than Blair students.

If TPMS is stronger, they must have degraded when going to HS?

And look at the number of NMSF, Siemens and intel scholars and winners between Blair and Wootton, just to name these...
It is obvious that Blair is much stronger, head and shoulders above Wootton .

We are talking about the non-magnet part, you know that, right?

we are talking about STEM

I had children in the magnet and non-magnet TPMS. The same teachers taught both parts and we felt it even the non-magnet was incredibly strong. Anyhow, TPMS is a STEM magnet. Trying to argue somehow that it isn't is kind of silly. It is a better school for STEM.

Funny, I was just looking at the county's data on this very subject and comparing the SAT's of largest common demographic of Blair and Wooton shows:

Blair 1326
Wooton 1262

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

This is the SAT scores of WHITE students in Blair and Wootton. While in Wootton it may be, white students are not the largest common demographic of Blair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TPMS is head and shoulders above these schools. It’s no contest and to suggest otherwise is silly.

OK let me put it this way - TPMS feeds into Blair.
It is very clear Wootton students are much stronger (look at the SAT) than Blair students.

If TPMS is stronger, they must have degraded when going to HS?

And look at the number of NMSF, Siemens and intel scholars and winners between Blair and Wootton, just to name these...
It is obvious that Blair is much stronger, head and shoulders above Wootton .

We are talking about the non-magnet part, you know that, right?

we are talking about STEM

I had children in the magnet and non-magnet TPMS. The same teachers taught both parts and we felt it even the non-magnet was incredibly strong. Anyhow, TPMS is a STEM magnet. Trying to argue somehow that it isn't is kind of silly. It is a better school for STEM.

Funny, I was just looking at the county's data on this very subject and comparing the SAT's of largest common demographic of Blair and Wooton shows:

Blair 1326
Wooton 1262

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

This is the SAT scores of WHITE students in Blair and Wootton. While in Wootton it may be, white students are not the largest common demographic of Blair.

The largest demographic common to both Wotton and Blair happens to be so it's the best means by which we can isolate for demographic differences between these sets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TPMS is head and shoulders above these schools. It’s no contest and to suggest otherwise is silly.

OK let me put it this way - TPMS feeds into Blair.
It is very clear Wootton students are much stronger (look at the SAT) than Blair students.

If TPMS is stronger, they must have degraded when going to HS?

And look at the number of NMSF, Siemens and intel scholars and winners between Blair and Wootton, just to name these...
It is obvious that Blair is much stronger, head and shoulders above Wootton .

We are talking about the non-magnet part, you know that, right?

we are talking about STEM

I had children in the magnet and non-magnet TPMS. The same teachers taught both parts and we felt it even the non-magnet was incredibly strong. Anyhow, TPMS is a STEM magnet. Trying to argue somehow that it isn't is kind of silly. It is a better school for STEM.

Funny, I was just looking at the county's data on this very subject and comparing the SAT's of largest common demographic of Blair and Wooton shows:

Blair 1326
Wooton 1262

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

This is the SAT scores of WHITE students in Blair and Wootton. While in Wootton it may be, white students are not the largest common demographic of Blair.

The largest demographic common to both Wotton and Blair happens to be so it's the best means by which we can isolate for demographic differences between these sets.

Dude don't even bother. They're upset their segregated school can't compete in a fair apples to apples comparison.

[Anonymous]

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The largest demographic common to both Wotton and Blair happens to be so it's the best means by which we can isolate for demographic differences between these sets.

You can make whatever special comparisons as you want. What makes sense when comparing student strength is the average scores, not scores of a certain ethnic group.

Or, are you suggesting that people's kids should only stay with white kids so comparing how white kids do in these two schools is the way to do it?

Without the magnet program, Blair is nothing near any of the W's (or TPMS vs RFMS or CJMS), that is a known fact, I don't see why some people just keep ignoring that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

The largest demographic common to both Wotton and Blair happens to be so it's the best means by which we can isolate for demographic differences between these sets.

You can make whatever special comparisons as you want. What makes sense when comparing student strength is the average scores, not scores of a certain ethnic group.

Or, are you suggesting that people's kids should only stay with white kids so comparing how white kids do in these two schools is the way to do it?

Without the magnet program, Blair is nothing near any of the W's (or TPMS vs RFMS or CJMS), that is a known fact, I don't see why some people just keep ignoring that.

If it makes you feel better

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The largest demographic common to both Wotton and Blair happens to be so it's the best means by which we can isolate for demographic differences between these sets.

You can make whatever special comparisons as you want. What makes sense when comparing student strength is the average scores, not scores of a certain ethnic group.

Or, are you suggesting that people's kids should only stay with white kids so comparing how white kids do in these two schools is the way to do it?

Without the magnet program, Blair is nothing near any of the W's (or TPMS vs RFMS or CJMS), that is a known fact, I don't see why some people just keep ignoring that.

If it makes you feel better

It is a fact. Whether it makes me feel better or make some people feel bad, does not change that.

When we talk about how great Blair or TPMS are, we are really talking about their magnet programs. Some people keep ignoring that. Maybe thinking the entire school (Blair or TP) is better makes them feel better. Well, that is their choice but it is not a fact.

[Anonymous]

Saying something is better or worse than something else is an opinion, not a fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Saying something is better or worse than something else is an opinion, not a fact.

Or should I say - a typical way to compare student strength: SAT score - Blair is way off from the Ws?
That is a fact.

If you have other standards of defining "better", it would be good to spell those out clearly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The largest demographic common to both Wotton and Blair happens to be so it's the best means by which we can isolate for demographic differences between these sets.

You can make whatever special comparisons as you want. What makes sense when comparing student strength is the average scores, not scores of a certain ethnic group.

Or, are you suggesting that people's kids should only stay with white kids so comparing how white kids do in these two schools is the way to do it?

Without the magnet program, Blair is nothing near any of the W's (or TPMS vs RFMS or CJMS), that is a known fact, I don't see why some people just keep ignoring that.

If it makes you feel better

It is a fact. Whether it makes me feel better or make some people feel bad, does not change that.

When we talk about how great Blair or TPMS are, we are really talking about their magnet programs. Some people keep ignoring that. Maybe thinking the entire school (Blair or TP) is better makes them feel better. Well, that is their choice but it is not a fact.

Actually, that's not true. Let’s eliminate the out of boundary magnet scores from that cohort's SAT average at Blair to see how the general population at these schools stack up by minimizing the impact of demographic differences. This seems sensible given that Blair is the most diverse school in the state whereas Wooton is one of the segregated schools.

1526 Blair Magnet SAT average public knowledge
1326 Blair SAT average score for common cohort from the report
250 total number of kids from the cohort that took SAT according to report
32 number of OOB magnet kids from the cohort that took the SAT (40% of OOB 80 students belong to this cohort = 32)
where “x” is Blair’s in boundary SAT average for largest common cohort

(250 - 32) / 250 = 87% non-magnet cohort total
13% magnet % of cohort total

0.87x + 0.13 * 1526 = 1326
0.87x + 198.38 = 1326
0.87x = 1326 – 198
x = (1326 – 198) / 0.87 = 1296 Blair SAT average without magnet

Blair's 1296 without the magnet is still higher than Wooton