WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another native american issue that is HUGE right now. The bill started by Heitkamp about violence against native american women (Savanna's Act) was single handed squashed last year but a white republican guy who THANKFULLY was voted out at the midterms.

Murkowski revived it.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lisa-murkowski-violence-native-women-savannas-act_us_5c4f1d2be4b0287e5b8cfffa

There is a great movie on Netflix called Wind River that I highly recommend. I encourage anyone complaining about Warren's self identification to educate themselves by watching it.

I thought about it and actually the movie is good for everyone to learn from.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?

Do you think that was okay and honest?

you're kidding, right? You want to talk about "honesty".. um okay.. how about honesty from our POTUS. This app was.. what... 40 years ago? FFS.

First of all, nice whataboutism.
Secondly, are you one of the morons outraged about what Northam - and/or Kavanaugh - had in their yearbooks, 35+ yrs. ago?
-DP

sexual assault is a bigger deal than lying about your enthnicity.

And I'm not white.

Definitely agree - if there was proof or corroborating evidence *of any kind* that sexual assault ever occurred. But there wasn't - not a shred. So this is actually a much bigger deal.

Please don't insult us, yourself and this conversation by making a political statement that is not true at all. ARe you the one who keeps posting that? Please stop. There was a lot of corroborating evidence. Just stop it. There was not incontrovertible proof. Those are the words you are looking for.
https://rewire.news/ablc/2018/10/04/corroborating-evidence-christine-blasey-ford-allegations/

Ah yes, you're the poster who thinks you're "schooling" the rest of us with your lectures on "incontrovertible proof". Just stop. Americans, even those with political axes to grind, know that there simply wasn't enough of *anything* to conclude that Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted anyone. You can claim there was corroborating evidence, but there simply wasn't. Goodbye.

This is what happens when an unfit candidate is pushed through. It will always happen when Kavanaugh is discussed.

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Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.



Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.


+100
This.

+ one million

I would consider that it was 1986 and maybe this was some kind of a "thing", but my son is adopted and could definitely be considered a different race/ethnicity (as in it's physically obvious without a DNA test and he was born in another country). He has always self identified as white because he was raised in the white culture. His DNA would show otherwise to a much greater degree than Warren's did.

And this kind of dragging people through the mud for how they identified decades ago concerns me a bit. Your ds identifies this way now, but he could change his mind in the future. Or he could be criticized by people who claim he was turning his back on his heritage. I have multiracial kids and I see how easily this could happen to them. I think once we police how people self-identify it is a dangerous.

No self-identifying. You either is, or you ain't.

You are being flippant and not really addressing the issue.

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Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.



Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.


+100
This.

+ one million

I would consider that it was 1986 and maybe this was some kind of a "thing", but my son is adopted and could definitely be considered a different race/ethnicity (as in it's physically obvious without a DNA test and he was born in another country). He has always self identified as white because he was raised in the white culture. His DNA would show otherwise to a much greater degree than Warren's did.

And this kind of dragging people through the mud for how they identified decades ago concerns me a bit. Your ds identifies this way now, but he could change his mind in the future. Or he could be criticized by people who claim he was turning his back on his heritage. I have multiracial kids and I see how easily this could happen to them. I think once we police how people self-identify it is a dangerous.

Elizabeth Warren is a white woman. She is not biracial or multiracial. She has a tiny drop of Native American blood, as do most Americans. That does not, by any stretch of the imagination, make her "American Indian". What about this don't you understand?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?

Do you think that was okay and honest?

you're kidding, right? You want to talk about "honesty".. um okay.. how about honesty from our POTUS. This app was.. what... 40 years ago? FFS.

First of all, nice whataboutism.
Secondly, are you one of the morons outraged about what Northam - and/or Kavanaugh - had in their yearbooks, 35+ yrs. ago?
-DP

sexual assault is a bigger deal than lying about your enthnicity.

And I'm not white.

Definitely agree - if there was proof or corroborating evidence *of any kind* that sexual assault ever occurred. But there wasn't - not a shred. So this is actually a much bigger deal.

Please don't insult us, yourself and this conversation by making a political statement that is not true at all. ARe you the one who keeps posting that? Please stop. There was a lot of corroborating evidence. Just stop it. There was not incontrovertible proof. Those are the words you are looking for.
https://rewire.news/ablc/2018/10/04/corroborating-evidence-christine-blasey-ford-allegations/

Ah yes, you're the poster who thinks you're "schooling" the rest of us with your lectures on "incontrovertible proof". Just stop. Americans, even those with political axes to grind, know that there simply wasn't enough of *anything* to conclude that Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted anyone. You can claim there was corroborating evidence, but there simply wasn't. Goodbye.

This is what happens when an unfit candidate is pushed through. It will always happen when Kavanaugh is discussed.

"Unfit"? He was roundly admired as one of the most qualified candidates for the SC in years. The only people who see him as "unfit" are those who wanted a liberal on the court and didn't get their way.

[Anonymous]

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Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.



Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.


+100
This.

+ one million

I would consider that it was 1986 and maybe this was some kind of a "thing", but my son is adopted and could definitely be considered a different race/ethnicity (as in it's physically obvious without a DNA test and he was born in another country). He has always self identified as white because he was raised in the white culture. His DNA would show otherwise to a much greater degree than Warren's did.

And this kind of dragging people through the mud for how they identified decades ago concerns me a bit. Your ds identifies this way now, but he could change his mind in the future. Or he could be criticized by people who claim he was turning his back on his heritage. I have multiracial kids and I see how easily this could happen to them. I think once we police how people self-identify it is a dangerous.

Elizabeth Warren is a white woman. She is not biracial or multiracial. She has a tiny drop of Native American blood, as do most Americans. That does not, by any stretch of the imagination, make her "American Indian". What about this don't you understand?

+1

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?

Do you think that was okay and honest?

you're kidding, right? You want to talk about "honesty".. um okay.. how about honesty from our POTUS. This app was.. what... 40 years ago? FFS.

First of all, nice whataboutism.
Secondly, are you one of the morons outraged about what Northam - and/or Kavanaugh - had in their yearbooks, 35+ yrs. ago?
-DP

sexual assault is a bigger deal than lying about your enthnicity.

And I'm not white.

Definitely agree - if there was proof or corroborating evidence *of any kind* that sexual assault ever occurred. But there wasn't - not a shred. So this is actually a much bigger deal.

Please don't insult us, yourself and this conversation by making a political statement that is not true at all. ARe you the one who keeps posting that? Please stop. There was a lot of corroborating evidence. Just stop it. There was not incontrovertible proof. Those are the words you are looking for.
https://rewire.news/ablc/2018/10/04/corroborating-evidence-christine-blasey-ford-allegations/

Ah yes, you're the poster who thinks you're "schooling" the rest of us with your lectures on "incontrovertible proof". Just stop. Americans, even those with political axes to grind, know that there simply wasn't enough of *anything* to conclude that Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted anyone. You can claim there was corroborating evidence, but there simply wasn't. Goodbye.

This is what happens when an unfit candidate is pushed through. It will always happen when Kavanaugh is discussed.

"Unfit"? He was roundly admired as one of the most qualified candidates for the SC in years. The only people who see him as "unfit" are those who wanted a liberal on the court and didn't get their way.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.



Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.


+100
This.

+ one million

I would consider that it was 1986 and maybe this was some kind of a "thing", but my son is adopted and could definitely be considered a different race/ethnicity (as in it's physically obvious without a DNA test and he was born in another country). He has always self identified as white because he was raised in the white culture. His DNA would show otherwise to a much greater degree than Warren's did.

And this kind of dragging people through the mud for how they identified decades ago concerns me a bit. Your ds identifies this way now, but he could change his mind in the future. Or he could be criticized by people who claim he was turning his back on his heritage. I have multiracial kids and I see how easily this could happen to them. I think once we police how people self-identify it is a dangerous.

No self-identifying. You either is, or you ain't.

You are being flippant and not really addressing the issue.

Not being flippant. Elizabeth Warren ain't Native American.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?

She’s done! Shameful and dishonest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.

Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.

Was it? Or was it grandma?

Nope, her grandma is white.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.



Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.


+100
This.

+ one million

I would consider that it was 1986 and maybe this was some kind of a "thing", but my son is adopted and could definitely be considered a different race/ethnicity (as in it's physically obvious without a DNA test and he was born in another country). He has always self identified as white because he was raised in the white culture. His DNA would show otherwise to a much greater degree than Warren's did.

And this kind of dragging people through the mud for how they identified decades ago concerns me a bit. Your ds identifies this way now, but he could change his mind in the future. Or he could be criticized by people who claim he was turning his back on his heritage. I have multiracial kids and I see how easily this could happen to them. I think once we police how people self-identify it is a dangerous.

No self-identifying. You either is, or you ain't.

You are being flippant and not really addressing the issue.

Not being flippant. Elizabeth Warren ain't Native American.

Except for her 1/634th % that her DNA test revealed.

[Anonymous]

Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.


Was it? Or was it grandma?




Nope, her grandma is white.

But, her aunt always said that grandpa had those high cheekbones like all the Indians........

[Anonymous]

Well, this settles it.

From now on, I’m claiming to be a Native American.

There’s just no reason not to. The term itself clearly means nothing now.

[Anonymous]

I like Warren and think this is a non-issue, but she's done. You can't give in to Trump in even the tiniest degree. Leave a little opening and he'll stick his knife in. Only Pelosi has gotten it so far. I hope other Democrats learn from her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.



Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.


+100
This.



+ one million

I would consider that it was 1986 and maybe this was some kind of a "thing", but my son is adopted and could definitely be considered a different race/ethnicity (as in it's physically obvious without a DNA test and he was born in another country). He has always self identified as white because he was raised in the white culture. His DNA would show otherwise to a much greater degree than Warren's did.


And this kind of dragging people through the mud for how they identified decades ago concerns me a bit. Your ds identifies this way now, but he could change his mind in the future. Or he could be criticized by people who claim he was turning his back on his heritage. I have multiracial kids and I see how easily this could happen to them. I think once we police how people self-identify it is a dangerous.

PP here. His heritage is white English speaking American. Cultural heritage is what defines us. Once in a while I run into people who ask if he speaks the language of his birth country. They somehow think a baby will speak that language through its DNA. So weird. I don't think anyone would have criticized Warren for identifying as white or would have said she had turned her back on her Native American culture. Anyone who says those things does not understand how culture affects identity. You don't just "feel Native American" somehow.