APS elementary planning initiative called off

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What new multifamily housing will inform APS in 2020/21?

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Anonymous wrote:ASFS will include a walk zone (even if it is a small one), and just bus some of the Rosslyn kids to Longbranch or the Clarendon folks to Taylor or Glebe. Makes no sense for APS to keep bussing kids (including the ones from Lyon Village) to ASFS, and then bus all the kids around ASFS out of the neighborhood. No need to do two bus trips when the Rosslyn, etc. kids can just stay on a bus for the same amount of time/maybe a couple minutes longer. Much cheaper and more efficient from a transportation standpoint.

Sorry but this makes no sense and this poster has no idea of the geography.
To get kids from Clarendon/Courthouse to glebe, you have to create an island or move a lot of kids from Ashlawn to glebe. To get them to taylor, you again have to create an island. You could move them to long branch, but as people above pointed out, long branch is a much smaller school and aps analysis even said that a school at the asfs site would help alleviate crowding at long branch. That and the Clarendon asfs kids are the only ones who consistently walk right now!
To create the walk zone, you are moving kids out of taylor— which is UNDER capacity next year! So you are moving kids from a school with no trailers to one with six. That makes no sense.
So they might make a walk zone but I don’t see them moving anyone to long branch, though they might try to move people to Taylor. I can see them doing as little as possible in order to leave them free for a more permanent solution.

DP. Leaving side the idea of busing those kids to Glebe (which isn't going to happen given all excess of the walkable units around Glebe), why would you have to create islands to send those kids to Taylor? The boundaries may be a less compact than we would like, but I don't see the need for an island.

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Anonymous wrote:What new multifamily housing will inform APS in 2020/21?

Rosslyn alone has 2300 housing units approved or under construction. A not insignificant number of those are CAFs, which produce kids at a rate comparable to single family homes. The rest of the R-B corridor and Columbia Pike are also slated for some major infill development.

https://projects.arlingtonva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/31/2017/08/Development-Summary-2017-8-7-17-FINAL.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:What new multifamily housing will inform APS in 2020/21?

Rosslyn alone has 2300 housing units approved or under construction. A not insignificant number of those are CAFs, which produce kids at a rate comparable to single family homes. The rest of the R-B corridor and Columbia Pike are also slated for some major infill development.

https://projects.arlingtonva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/31/2017/08/Development-Summary-2017-8-7-17-FINAL.pdf

Also, note that St. Charles is going to redevelop potentially with housing on site? Or they may do as some commenters suggest and sell to a developer given its prime location? ...https://www.arlnow.com/2018/05/16/diocese-considering-redevelopment-for-st-charles-borromeo-catholic-church/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ASFS will include a walk zone (even if it is a small one), and just bus some of the Rosslyn kids to Longbranch or the Clarendon folks to Taylor or Glebe. Makes no sense for APS to keep bussing kids (including the ones from Lyon Village) to ASFS, and then bus all the kids around ASFS out of the neighborhood. No need to do two bus trips when the Rosslyn, etc. kids can just stay on a bus for the same amount of time/maybe a couple minutes longer. Much cheaper and more efficient from a transportation standpoint.

Sorry but this makes no sense and this poster has no idea of the geography.
To get kids from Clarendon/Courthouse to glebe, you have to create an island or move a lot of kids from Ashlawn to glebe. To get them to taylor, you again have to create an island. You could move them to long branch, but as people above pointed out, long branch is a much smaller school and aps analysis even said that a school at the asfs site would help alleviate crowding at long branch. That and the Clarendon asfs kids are the only ones who consistently walk right now!
To create the walk zone, you are moving kids out of taylor— which is UNDER capacity next year! So you are moving kids from a school with no trailers to one with six. That makes no sense.
So they might make a walk zone but I don’t see them moving anyone to long branch, though they might try to move people to Taylor. I can see them doing as little as possible in order to leave them free for a more permanent solution.

+1

I don't see them making a walk zone for ASFS until Key becomes a neighborhood school. They need to move kids OUT of ASFS, not move more IN.

And if the whole point was to create walk zones and minimize busing they won't move the rosslyn/courthouse/clarendon PUs to Taylor or Long Branch just to change them again a few years later.

If there are any current ASFS PUs that will definitely not be Key neighborhood in the future then I can see them getting sloughed off now. But I can't think of any obvious candidates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ASFS will include a walk zone (even if it is a small one), and just bus some of the Rosslyn kids to Longbranch or the Clarendon folks to Taylor or Glebe. Makes no sense for APS to keep bussing kids (including the ones from Lyon Village) to ASFS, and then bus all the kids around ASFS out of the neighborhood. No need to do two bus trips when the Rosslyn, etc. kids can just stay on a bus for the same amount of time/maybe a couple minutes longer. Much cheaper and more efficient from a transportation standpoint.

Sorry but this makes no sense and this poster has no idea of the geography.
To get kids from Clarendon/Courthouse to glebe, you have to create an island or move a lot of kids from Ashlawn to glebe. To get them to taylor, you again have to create an island. You could move them to long branch, but as people above pointed out, long branch is a much smaller school and aps analysis even said that a school at the asfs site would help alleviate crowding at long branch. That and the Clarendon asfs kids are the only ones who consistently walk right now!
To create the walk zone, you are moving kids out of taylor— which is UNDER capacity next year! So you are moving kids from a school with no trailers to one with six. That makes no sense.
So they might make a walk zone but I don’t see them moving anyone to long branch, though they might try to move people to Taylor. I can see them doing as little as possible in order to leave them free for a more permanent solution.

DP. Leaving side the idea of busing those kids to Glebe (which isn't going to happen given all excess of the walkable units around Glebe), why would you have to create islands to send those kids to Taylor? The boundaries may be a less compact than we would like, but I don't see the need for an island.

To move Clarendon or Courthouse to taylor, you have to cut off the asfs walk zone from the rest of its zone (by moving units 24110, 24100, 24080, 24111, etc). You could move Lyon village to Taylor, but then you are moving kids either adjacent to or in the planning unit where key is located, so you’re forever closing the door to key being a neighborhood school for the next six years. The only option is north Rosslyn.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ASFS will include a walk zone (even if it is a small one), and just bus some of the Rosslyn kids to Longbranch or the Clarendon folks to Taylor or Glebe. Makes no sense for APS to keep bussing kids (including the ones from Lyon Village) to ASFS, and then bus all the kids around ASFS out of the neighborhood. No need to do two bus trips when the Rosslyn, etc. kids can just stay on a bus for the same amount of time/maybe a couple minutes longer. Much cheaper and more efficient from a transportation standpoint.

Sorry but this makes no sense and this poster has no idea of the geography.
To get kids from Clarendon/Courthouse to glebe, you have to create an island or move a lot of kids from Ashlawn to glebe. To get them to taylor, you again have to create an island. You could move them to long branch, but as people above pointed out, long branch is a much smaller school and aps analysis even said that a school at the asfs site would help alleviate crowding at long branch. That and the Clarendon asfs kids are the only ones who consistently walk right now!
To create the walk zone, you are moving kids out of taylor— which is UNDER capacity next year! So you are moving kids from a school with no trailers to one with six. That makes no sense.
So they might make a walk zone but I don’t see them moving anyone to long branch, though they might try to move people to Taylor. I can see them doing as little as possible in order to leave them free for a more permanent solution.

DP. Leaving side the idea of busing those kids to Glebe (which isn't going to happen given all excess of the walkable units around Glebe), why would you have to create islands to send those kids to Taylor? The boundaries may be a less compact than we would like, but I don't see the need for an island.

To move Clarendon or Courthouse to taylor, you have to cut off the asfs walk zone from the rest of its zone (by moving units 24110, 24100, 24080, 24111, etc). You could move Lyon village to Taylor, but then you are moving kids either adjacent to or in the planning unit where key is located, so you’re forever closing the door to key being a neighborhood school for the next six years. The only option is north Rosslyn.

Half of Lyon Village is already zoned to Taylor and has been for many decades. So it won't create an island to move more of the neighborhood to Taylor. Whether or not that's an ideal solution is up for debate. The apartments north of Lee Highway are also zoned to Taylor.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ASFS will include a walk zone (even if it is a small one), and just bus some of the Rosslyn kids to Longbranch or the Clarendon folks to Taylor or Glebe. Makes no sense for APS to keep bussing kids (including the ones from Lyon Village) to ASFS, and then bus all the kids around ASFS out of the neighborhood. No need to do two bus trips when the Rosslyn, etc. kids can just stay on a bus for the same amount of time/maybe a couple minutes longer. Much cheaper and more efficient from a transportation standpoint.

Sorry but this makes no sense and this poster has no idea of the geography.
To get kids from Clarendon/Courthouse to glebe, you have to create an island or move a lot of kids from Ashlawn to glebe. To get them to taylor, you again have to create an island. You could move them to long branch, but as people above pointed out, long branch is a much smaller school and aps analysis even said that a school at the asfs site would help alleviate crowding at long branch. That and the Clarendon asfs kids are the only ones who consistently walk right now!
To create the walk zone, you are moving kids out of taylor— which is UNDER capacity next year! So you are moving kids from a school with no trailers to one with six. That makes no sense.
So they might make a walk zone but I don’t see them moving anyone to long branch, though they might try to move people to Taylor. I can see them doing as little as possible in order to leave them free for a more permanent solution.

DP. Leaving side the idea of busing those kids to Glebe (which isn't going to happen given all excess of the walkable units around Glebe), why would you have to create islands to send those kids to Taylor? The boundaries may be a less compact than we would like, but I don't see the need for an island.

To move Clarendon or Courthouse to taylor, you have to cut off the asfs walk zone from the rest of its zone (by moving units 24110, 24100, 24080, 24111, etc). You could move Lyon village to Taylor, but then you are moving kids either adjacent to or in the planning unit where key is located, so you’re forever closing the door to key being a neighborhood school for the next six years. The only option is north Rosslyn.

Half of Lyon Village is already zoned to Taylor and has been for many decades. So it won't create an island to move more of the neighborhood to Taylor. Whether or not that's an ideal solution is up for debate. The apartments north of Lee Highway are also zoned to Taylor.

I agree— I was talking to moving Clarendon and Courthouse to taylor makes an island. You can move Lyon village all to Taylor but the you are also moving the units Key is in, so you would have to move them again if you wanted to make key a neighborhood school.

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+1

I don't see them making a walk zone for ASFS until Key becomes a neighborhood school. They need to move kids OUT of ASFS, not move more IN.

And if the whole point was to create walk zones and minimize busing they won't move the rosslyn/courthouse/clarendon PUs to Taylor or Long Branch just to change them again a few years later.

If there are any current ASFS PUs that will definitely not be Key neighborhood in the future then I can see them getting sloughed off now. But I can't think of any obvious candidates.



Yes, they need to move kids out of ASFS but why move out those who can walk versus those who are already on a bus? Most of Lyon Village is within a mile of ASFS but yet everyone has to be bussed because they deem Kirkwood too dangerous to cross. If Lyon Village can't walk to a school it absolutely makes sense to bus them to Taylor (same with Clarendon/Courthouse/Rosslyn planning units). The choice is having one set of students (non-walkable ASFS to Taylor) bus or two sets of students bus (non-walkable ASFS to ASFS, and walkable ASFS to Taylor). Isn't one of the points of redrawing the boundaries to make busing more efficient and get as many walkers as possible?

If you are looking at current ASFS PUs that won't be in a Key neighborhood, anyone around Rocky Run park is fair game-- once Fleet opens, Long Branch should have more room.

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I love how a thread on APS wussing out on going through with option school moves has turned into the “ASFS should absolutely not have its boundaries changed” thread! That’s right, no one from ASFS should have to be re-boundaried to another schools during this APS debacle. They can’t be separated from their special science lab!

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Anonymous wrote:I love how a thread on APS wussing out on going through with option school moves has turned into the “ASFS should absolutely not have its boundaries changed” thread! That’s right, no one from ASFS should have to be re-boundaried to another schools during this APS debacle. They can’t be separated from their special science lab!

The conversation has certainly taken a turn for the delusional. Stock up on popcorn for the fall, because this is going to be fun.

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Anonymous wrote:.

+1

I don't see them making a walk zone for ASFS until Key becomes a neighborhood school. They need to move kids OUT of ASFS, not move more IN.

And if the whole point was to create walk zones and minimize busing they won't move the rosslyn/courthouse/clarendon PUs to Taylor or Long Branch just to change them again a few years later.

If there are any current ASFS PUs that will definitely not be Key neighborhood in the future then I can see them getting sloughed off now. But I can't think of any obvious candidates.



Yes, they need to move kids out of ASFS but why move out those who can walk versus those who are already on a bus? Most of Lyon Village is within a mile of ASFS but yet everyone has to be bussed because they deem Kirkwood too dangerous to cross. If Lyon Village can't walk to a school it absolutely makes sense to bus them to Taylor (same with Clarendon/Courthouse/Rosslyn planning units). The choice is having one set of students (non-walkable ASFS to Taylor) bus or two sets of students bus (non-walkable ASFS to ASFS, and walkable ASFS to Taylor). Isn't one of the points of redrawing the boundaries to make busing more efficient and get as many walkers as possible?

If you are looking at current ASFS PUs that won't be in a Key neighborhood, anyone around Rocky Run park is fair game-- once Fleet opens, Long Branch should have more room.

Long Branch can't take the ASFS PU's. They're probably going to have to take some Barrett PU's.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't see them making a walk zone for ASFS until Key becomes a neighborhood school. They need to move kids OUT of ASFS, not move more IN.

And if the whole point was to create walk zones and minimize busing they won't move the rosslyn/courthouse/clarendon PUs to Taylor or Long Branch just to change them again a few years later.

If there are any current ASFS PUs that will definitely not be Key neighborhood in the future then I can see them getting sloughed off now. But I can't think of any obvious candidates.

Yes, they need to move kids out of ASFS but why move out those who can walk versus those who are already on a bus? Most of Lyon Village is within a mile of ASFS but yet everyone has to be bussed because they deem Kirkwood too dangerous to cross. If Lyon Village can't walk to a school it absolutely makes sense to bus them to Taylor (same with Clarendon/Courthouse/Rosslyn planning units). The choice is having one set of students (non-walkable ASFS to Taylor) bus or two sets of students bus (non-walkable ASFS to ASFS, and walkable ASFS to Taylor). Isn't one of the points of redrawing the boundaries to make busing more efficient and get as many walkers as possible?

If you are looking at current ASFS PUs that won't be in a Key neighborhood, anyone around Rocky Run park is fair game-- once Fleet opens, Long Branch should have more room.

Long Branch can't take the ASFS PU's. They're probably going to have to take some Barrett PU's.

Why would anyone else need to take Barrett planning units? It’s under capacity and 80% walkers.

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Anonymous wrote:ASFS changes will wait until Reed.

Except that APS got rid of the team model last year and ASFS can’t handle all the kids in the Key boundary. Even if they keep most of the boundary intact, APS will have to trim somewhere. Plus, how does ASFS backtrack from all its talk about reducing busing and every school having a walk zone? What are they going to say, sorry ASFS, in our strive to make everything equitable everyone gets a walk zone except you?


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Sorry but this isnt true. For the next five years, there shouldn’t be more than an additional classroom per grade at asfs due to losing neighborhood preference at key. That is easily cancelled out by the number of transfers from Taylor, so it would be a wash once the current transfers age out.
They were predicting a huge increase in the population around key, I don’t know if they got better numbers to change that and maybe that’s what killed the urgency.

That is 5 extra classrooms they don’t have. Like I said earlier, they will add trailers to the play area and call it a day. Which is nuts.

Ok so ms b will somehow figure out who I am and kill me in my sleep for saying this but:
1. You can easily convert the science lab into two classrooms. I don’t know where that flight simulator is, but maybe we should think about giving it to Arlington tech and converting that to a classroom.
2. They got rid of vpi so that’s a classroom for next year
3. You could put a trailer on the parking lot. I’d be supportive of that if it meant not touching the field space. I think that would likely deter people from transferring in too because it would make the school really freaking ugly.
That gets you pretty close to the right number.

No way is the science lab big enough for 2 classrooms and the classroom that the flight simulator used to be in is not big enough to be a regular classroom. I do think trailers could go on parking lot, however. Unfortunately that would really screw those of us who live in the neighborhood- not only are our children unable to attend but our streets would be filled with parked cars from the school.

Plenty of schools are using undersized rooms as classrooms to deal with overcrowding.

Indeed. My son was in a small, windowless room for 2nd grade. He lived. He even managed to grow a few inches despite the lack of sunlight.

The flight simulator is in a room that could fit max 12-15 students on a regular basis and that’s it.

Flight simulator?!?!

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Flight simulator?!?!

Yes! Now you know why ASFS snowflakes can’t be forced to leave their school!