Suspicious deaths.

[Anonymous]

So, the kids went to thier neighbors asking for help, only to be sent home. And what posters on here are obsessing with is that the picture shown in the article they are wearing matching t-shirts? This is not a completely uncommon thing for large families. And it certainly is not a sign of abuse. Ans neither is two lesbians adopting black kids.

It does seem very cruel for a family to chose to adopt and then abuse the kids. But one sick family does not make a trend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, the kids went to thier neighbors asking for help, only to be sent home. And what posters on here are obsessing with is that the picture shown in the article they are wearing matching t-shirts? This is not a completely uncommon thing for large families. And it certainly is not a sign of abuse. Ans neither is two lesbians adopting black kids.

It does seem very cruel for a family to chose to adopt and then abuse the kids. But one sick family does not make a trend.

Consistently dressing your family in all matching clothes is definitely a sign of a control freak. People thought it was strange and wrong in the Turpin thread and the same here. Requiring your older and teen children to all dress the same is not normal or cute or fun. It is also a way to draw attention to your family and to parade your kids. I think it is a pretty good red flag of a controlling parent.

Nothing anyone says or does is going to change what happened or help these kids. They are all dead. But looking at red flags - matching clothes, moving often, isolating kids through homeschooling, no social media, using kids as a prop, wearing matching outfits, kids too small for their age, etc are all common signs these two abusive families have had.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, the kids went to thier neighbors asking for help, only to be sent home. And what posters on here are obsessing with is that the picture shown in the article they are wearing matching t-shirts? This is not a completely uncommon thing for large families. And it certainly is not a sign of abuse. Ans neither is two lesbians adopting black kids.

It does seem very cruel for a family to chose to adopt and then abuse the kids. But one sick family does not make a trend.

The kids went to ask for food. After several days in a row, the neighbors called CPS. Which was completely the right call. They can't detain the kids in their house to "protect" them from their parents when they don't actually know what's going on. That's the entire point of CPS. To figure it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, the kids went to thier neighbors asking for help, only to be sent home. And what posters on here are obsessing with is that the picture shown in the article they are wearing matching t-shirts? This is not a completely uncommon thing for large families. And it certainly is not a sign of abuse. Ans neither is two lesbians adopting black kids.

It does seem very cruel for a family to chose to adopt and then abuse the kids. But one sick family does not make a trend.

Consistently dressing your family in all matching clothes is definitely a sign of a control freak. People thought it was strange and wrong in the Turpin thread and the same here. Requiring your older and teen children to all dress the same is not normal or cute or fun. It is also a way to draw attention to your family and to parade your kids. I think it is a pretty good red flag of a controlling parent.

Nothing anyone says or does is going to change what happened or help these kids. They are all dead. But looking at red flags - matching clothes, moving often, isolating kids through homeschooling, no social media, using kids as a prop, wearing matching outfits, kids too small for their age, etc are all common signs these two abusive families have had.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Odd video of one of their kids when much younger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQx_ypnpIO0&feature=youtu.be&t=8m32s

This story has so many facets. LGBTQ, white women adopting black children, political activism, homeschooling, child abuse, possible outcomes of calling CPS/CPS actions, murder/suicide.

What on earth was this video? That poor little boy.

[Anonymous]

These "matching outfits" being "abusive" posts are ridiculous. I have 4 sons. Many years ago there was a pirate exhibit at a local museum. Gymboree happened to have a pirate themed clothing line out at the time, so I bought each of them an outfit from the line for our visit to the museum. My oldest was 8 at the time. It never occurred to me that it was abusive and CPS should have got involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was searching for days on this topic in the dcum forum. Was wondering what took so long to start one.

I can't believe those kids were not removed after the one mom plead guilty to child abuse.

It would not surprise me if these moms had mental health issues and were on antipsychotics.

Why on earth didn't you start the thread yourself instead of waiting for someone else to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These "matching outfits" being "abusive" posts are ridiculous. I have 4 sons. Many years ago there was a pirate exhibit at a local museum. Gymboree happened to have a pirate themed clothing line out at the time, so I bought each of them an outfit from the line for our visit to the museum. My oldest was 8 at the time. It never occurred to me that it was abusive and CPS should have got involved.

Stop being obtuse. No one is saying that a one off of young kids wearing matching outfits is abusive. But yes, if your kids are now in the 12-18 age range and when you go out as a family you require them to wear matching outfits - then yes, that is a massive red flag.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These "matching outfits" being "abusive" posts are ridiculous. I have 4 sons. Many years ago there was a pirate exhibit at a local museum. Gymboree happened to have a pirate themed clothing line out at the time, so I bought each of them an outfit from the line for our visit to the museum. My oldest was 8 at the time. It never occurred to me that it was abusive and CPS should have got involved.

Ummm, I think it has been stated repeatedly on this thread that it is not particularly abnormal to dress 8 and under in matching tee shirts when you are taking them out to a crowded venue. It's easier to keep track them, we get it.

It is beyond bizarre to repeatedly dress your tween/teens in these matchy matchy cutesy family outfits like that while keeping them out of school, off social media, isolating them and controlling their freedom like these women and the Turpins did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG that is one of the most awful stories I can imagine. What breaks my heart is that lots of people knew something was wrong with this family - one of the moms pled guilty 7 years ago and the neighbors called CPS after the kids said they weren't being fed. This really seems like a tragedy that could have been avoided.

CPS stopped by three times in the days leading up to their deaths and were unable to make contact with them. People cared and tried to help.

The kids asking neighbors for food doesn’t necessarily point to starvation. My nephew does this because he often dislikes the healthy meals my sister and BIL make for dinner. He is also HFA. So I take those reports with a grain of salt. The kids didn’t look malnourished.

(and yes, my sister had CPS called on her numerous times because of his autistic behavior.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These "matching outfits" being "abusive" posts are ridiculous. I have 4 sons. Many years ago there was a pirate exhibit at a local museum. Gymboree happened to have a pirate themed clothing line out at the time, so I bought each of them an outfit from the line for our visit to the museum. My oldest was 8 at the time. It never occurred to me that it was abusive and CPS should have got involved.

Ummm, I think it has been stated repeatedly on this thread that it is not particularly abnormal to dress 8 and under in matching tee shirts when you are taking them out to a crowded venue. It's easier to keep track them, we get it.

It is beyond bizarre to repeatedly dress your tween/teens in these matchy matchy cutesy family outfits like that while keeping them out of school, off social media, isolating them and controlling their freedom like these women and the Turpins did.

Agree. The Turpins clearly loved babies/toddlers but were annoyed when they grew up and became individuals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG that is one of the most awful stories I can imagine. What breaks my heart is that lots of people knew something was wrong with this family - one of the moms pled guilty 7 years ago and the neighbors called CPS after the kids said they weren't being fed. This really seems like a tragedy that could have been avoided.

CPS stopped by three times in the days leading up to their deaths and were unable to make contact with them. People cared and tried to help.

The kids asking neighbors for food doesn’t necessarily point to starvation. My nephew does this because he often dislikes the healthy meals my sister and BIL make for dinner. He is also HFA. So I take those reports with a grain of salt. The kids didn’t look malnourished.

(and yes, my sister had CPS called on her numerous times because of his autistic behavior.)

The kids are pretty small for their ages. I haven't seen one pic where I would say that looks like 5 teens and atween.

And I really hope you would be concerned if a 15 year old came to your house every night for a week and asked you to leave food in a box on the fence because he was hungry and food was being withheld as punishment. Let CPS sort it out, don't turn a blind eye.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG that is one of the most awful stories I can imagine. What breaks my heart is that lots of people knew something was wrong with this family - one of the moms pled guilty 7 years ago and the neighbors called CPS after the kids said they weren't being fed. This really seems like a tragedy that could have been avoided.

CPS stopped by three times in the days leading up to their deaths and were unable to make contact with them. People cared and tried to help.

The kids asking neighbors for food doesn’t necessarily point to starvation. My nephew does this because he often dislikes the healthy meals my sister and BIL make for dinner. He is also HFA. So I take those reports with a grain of salt. The kids didn’t look malnourished.

(and yes, my sister had CPS called on her numerous times because of his autistic behavior.)

The kids in question were sneaking off to their neighbor's house and telling them that they were hungry and not being fed, not that they didn't like what was being served in their house. Not normal! The neighbors were so alarmed that they called CPS to investigate.

The kids do look small/stunted for their ages so it is likely that they really were not being fed at home.

Neighbors of the Turpins sometimes saw one of the boys searching through a trashcan for food scraps. Not normal!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These "matching outfits" being "abusive" posts are ridiculous. I have 4 sons. Many years ago there was a pirate exhibit at a local museum. Gymboree happened to have a pirate themed clothing line out at the time, so I bought each of them an outfit from the line for our visit to the museum. My oldest was 8 at the time. It never occurred to me that it was abusive and CPS should have got involved.

Ummm, I think it has been stated repeatedly on this thread that it is not particularly abnormal to dress 8 and under in matching tee shirts when you are taking them out to a crowded venue. It's easier to keep track them, we get it.

It is beyond bizarre to repeatedly dress your tween/teens in these matchy matchy cutesy family outfits like that while keeping them out of school, off social media, isolating them and controlling their freedom like these women and the Turpins did.

Agree. The Turpins clearly loved babies/toddlers but were annoyed when they grew up and became individuals.

+1

Exactly this. I have seen this in large families before. Very sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Odd video of one of their kids when much younger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQx_ypnpIO0&feature=youtu.be&t=8m32s

This story has so many facets. LGBTQ, white women adopting black children, political activism, homeschooling, child abuse, possible outcomes of calling CPS/CPS actions, murder/suicide.

What on earth was this video? That poor little boy.

I know! Why is no one besides you me and the poster who linked the video commenting? Everyone is stuck on the damn t-shirts. The video is really, really disturbing and inappropriate.

Another facet is mental illness which is common in that community. Adoptions should require a mental health evaluation instead of assuming people who fit a certain stereotype should automatically be assumed a good, qualified parent, etc.

So many of the moms behaviors were extremes and should have been red flags to the authorities.