APS Interesting Responses to Walk Zone Survey

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Can you explain this South Arlington delusion to which you refer? Sorry, I’m not getting it. I bought a house in the Henry zone. I’m not delusional about the demographics outside of the well-rated 22204 schools. I just want my kids to go to a good school, again like I imagined they would when I bought my house. Please enlighten me.


drew is a finally going to have a fantastic neighborhood school!
Delusional.
All of those affordable units walkable to Oakridge will stay there and we will only get the high end town homes near Shirlington and part of the sfh’s in Douglas Park.
Delusional.
Barcroft just needs to get rid of the year round calendar and it will be just like Henry
Delusional
Barcroft Apartments will soon be torn down to make way for town homes.
Delusional
The food Star is gone= gentrification is eminent
Delusional.

I could go on...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can you explain this South Arlington delusion to which you refer? Sorry, I’m not getting it. I bought a house in the Henry zone. I’m not delusional about the demographics outside of the well-rated 22204 schools. I just want my kids to go to a good school, again like I imagined they would when I bought my house. Please enlighten me.


drew is a finally going to have a fantastic neighborhood school!
Delusional.
All of those affordable units walkable to Oakridge will stay there and we will only get the high end town homes near Shirlington and part of the sfh’s in Douglas Park.
Delusional.
Barcroft just needs to get rid of the year round calendar and it will be just like Henry
Delusional
Barcroft Apartments will soon be torn down to make way for town homes.
Delusional
The food Star is gone= gentrification is eminent
Delusional.

I could go on...


You're the delusional one, and can't do math apparently. All of Oakridge's AH is going to move to Drew, and even so it will still be less than half what Carlin Springs is managing. It will never be Henry/Fleet/Oakridge. But it won't be Carlin Springs either.

Food Star is a giant hole in the ground. They've poured the foundation. It's not going to be anything better or worse than Penrose. Actually, it is going to be better than Penrose because it's going to have a Harris Teeter rather than a Giant, and green space rather than a concrete heat island. Frankly, I don't care whether it's a sign of "gentrification," though if you want to get technical, it is the text book definition of "gentrification." I am that glad there will be a grocery store that I want to shop in within walking distance of my house. Maybe that makes me a terrible person, but I thought the Food Star smelled bad and looked dirty. My neighbors agree, and are very happy with the new development.

The Barcroft Apartments aren't going to be torn down, and they will largely remain zoned to Randolph.

The Barcroft calendar needs to change because it's expensive and doesn't make any sense. Maybe it would help keep more neighborhood kids at the school, maybe not. But it needs to go either way.

Anything else I can clear up for you?




Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oakridge is one of the most overcrowded schools in the county. They will use Drew to reduce the overcrowding. Do you really think they will bus Arlington Ridge to Drew and not Arna Valley and the Berkeley, no matter how walkable they are?


Of course they won't. Does anyone think that?

Drew will not be Oakridge or Henry. But it also won't be Carlin Springs. Do the math:


In the Carlin Springs attendance boundary:

Arbor Heights -198
Columbia Grove - 121
Fields of Arlington - 130
Harvey Hall - 189
Key Gardens - 22
Monterey - 109
The Serrano - 196
The Shell - 83

In the current Drew boundary:

Fort Henry Gardens - 82
The Macedonian - 36
The Shelton - 94

In the potential Drew boundary, if they sweep up Long Branch Creek:

Arna Valley - 101
Avalon - 64
The Berkley - 110
The Grove - 7

So, that's 1,048 units of AH in the Carlin Springs boundary, and 212 in the current Drew boundary, and 494 if they move all of the AH in Oakridge to Drew. There's more than double the units of AH in the Carlin Springs attendance zone. Not the same.


A useful comparison. What you're missing is that much of Nauck's SFH and duplexes are not owned by wealthy newcomers. Nauck is house rich and cash poor. Lots of people live in houses their grandparents paid off. We know from the test scores published on arlnow several years ago that drews graded program does worse than Randolph and carlin springs. That's a strong clue that the farms rate is comparable.



Oh, you'll just grab at anything to make yourself believe you're "right." You just won't admit that there is even a possibility that Drew will improve as a school - and significantly. Even if it is 50% FRL.

What YOU are missing is that a lot of people across Arlington are house rich and cash poor. A lot aren't and have more money than they know what to do with; but a lot of people who are by definition "UMC" families are living paycheck to paycheck because their mortgages are so frickin' expensive and property taxes continue to rise even when household income doesn't.

What you are missing is that impoverished people can be intelligent and perform well academically, too. They just have a heckuva lot more learning and growth to do in the same amount of time as their affluent peers because they are more likely to be starting far behind their wealthier classmates who have had quality preschool experiences, college-educated parents who read to them every night, and overbearing successful parents who make sure their kids have every opportunity and experience they can possibly have for fear they will fail or not be above or better than everyone else. Or who have parents who are fluent in English and can be more involved in their academic life.

What you are missing is that poor people can value education just as much as rich people. (and a lot of rich kids take education for granted). Poor parents can want and push for their kids to do better and achieve more than they did. Immigrant families can value education and want their kids to succeed - that's why they're here.

What you are missing is that the Nauck/Shirlington area has seen its share of "gentrification" and influx of young, well-educated professional families.

What you are missing is that the current Drew neighborhood program has failed for multiple reasons - lack of cohesive, consistent, strong leadership; administration divided between two completely different and incompatible academic programs; being overshadowed by the Montessori program that absorbed a lot of the resources, benefiting from being under Drew's Title I status even when, as we now see by their loss of Title I status when they become independent in their own building, most of the FRL-eligible kids were in the neighborhood program and the resources should have been going to that program; APS treating the school as one instead of two separate programs; APS' inexcusable and absolute denial about the real situation, and APS' neglect and inaction to do anything to resolve it until it finally became convenient for them because they could get what they needed to build the school they wanted.

What you are missing is that a school does not have to have less than 10% poor kids and the highest test scores to be a high-quality, successful school. What you are missing is that there are other definitions of a successful school and important values to be gained from a public school experience that apparently don't match yours but are just as valid. You don't want any of these aspects for your family and so you won't ever send your kids to any of these "lesser, failing" schools.

What we are NOT missing is your ignorance being a part of our school community.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can you explain this South Arlington delusion to which you refer? Sorry, I’m not getting it. I bought a house in the Henry zone. I’m not delusional about the demographics outside of the well-rated 22204 schools. I just want my kids to go to a good school, again like I imagined they would when I bought my house. Please enlighten me.


drew is a finally going to have a fantastic neighborhood school!
Delusional.
All of those affordable units walkable to Oakridge will stay there and we will only get the high end town homes near Shirlington and part of the sfh’s in Douglas Park.
Delusional.
Barcroft just needs to get rid of the year round calendar and it will be just like Henry
Delusional
Barcroft Apartments will soon be torn down to make way for town homes.
Delusional
The food Star is gone= gentrification is eminent
Delusional.

I could go on...


You're the delusional one, and can't do math apparently. All of Oakridge's AH is going to move to Drew, and even so it will still be less than half what Carlin Springs is managing. It will never be Henry/Fleet/Oakridge. But it won't be Carlin Springs either.

Food Star is a giant hole in the ground. They've poured the foundation. It's not going to be anything better or worse than Penrose. Actually, it is going to be better than Penrose because it's going to have a Harris Teeter rather than a Giant, and green space rather than a concrete heat island. Frankly, I don't care whether it's a sign of "gentrification," though if you want to get technical, it is the text book definition of "gentrification." I am that glad there will be a grocery store that I want to shop in within walking distance of my house. Maybe that makes me a terrible person, but I thought the Food Star smelled bad and looked dirty. My neighbors agree, and are very happy with the new development.

The Barcroft Apartments aren't going to be torn down, and they will largely remain zoned to Randolph.

The Barcroft calendar needs to change because it's expensive and doesn't make any sense. Maybe it would help keep more neighborhood kids at the school, maybe not. But it needs to go either way.

Anything else I can clear up for you?






Nope. You’ve proved my point flawlessly. Thanks.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oakridge is one of the most overcrowded schools in the county. They will use Drew to reduce the overcrowding. Do you really think they will bus Arlington Ridge to Drew and not Arna Valley and the Berkeley, no matter how walkable they are?


Of course they won't. Does anyone think that?

Drew will not be Oakridge or Henry. But it also won't be Carlin Springs. Do the math:


In the Carlin Springs attendance boundary:

Arbor Heights -198
Columbia Grove - 121
Fields of Arlington - 130
Harvey Hall - 189
Key Gardens - 22
Monterey - 109
The Serrano - 196
The Shell - 83

In the current Drew boundary:

Fort Henry Gardens - 82
The Macedonian - 36
The Shelton - 94

In the potential Drew boundary, if they sweep up Long Branch Creek:

Arna Valley - 101
Avalon - 64
The Berkley - 110
The Grove - 7

So, that's 1,048 units of AH in the Carlin Springs boundary, and 212 in the current Drew boundary, and 494 if they move all of the AH in Oakridge to Drew. There's more than double the units of AH in the Carlin Springs attendance zone. Not the same.


A useful comparison. What you're missing is that much of Nauck's SFH and duplexes are not owned by wealthy newcomers. Nauck is house rich and cash poor. Lots of people live in houses their grandparents paid off. We know from the test scores published on arlnow several years ago that drews graded program does worse than Randolph and carlin springs. That's a strong clue that the farms rate is comparable.



Oh, you'll just grab at anything to make yourself believe you're "right." You just won't admit that there is even a possibility that Drew will improve as a school - and significantly. Even if it is 50% FRL.

What YOU are missing is that a lot of people across Arlington are house rich and cash poor. A lot aren't and have more money than they know what to do with; but a lot of people who are by definition "UMC" families are living paycheck to paycheck because their mortgages are so frickin' expensive and property taxes continue to rise even when household income doesn't.

What you are missing is that impoverished people can be intelligent and perform well academically, too. They just have a heckuva lot more learning and growth to do in the same amount of time as their affluent peers because they are more likely to be starting far behind their wealthier classmates who have had quality preschool experiences, college-educated parents who read to them every night, and overbearing successful parents who make sure their kids have every opportunity and experience they can possibly have for fear they will fail or not be above or better than everyone else. Or who have parents who are fluent in English and can be more involved in their academic life.

What you are missing is that poor people can value education just as much as rich people. (and a lot of rich kids take education for granted). Poor parents can want and push for their kids to do better and achieve more than they did. Immigrant families can value education and want their kids to succeed - that's why they're here.

What you are missing is that the Nauck/Shirlington area has seen its share of "gentrification" and influx of young, well-educated professional families.

What you are missing is that the current Drew neighborhood program has failed for multiple reasons - lack of cohesive, consistent, strong leadership; administration divided between two completely different and incompatible academic programs; being overshadowed by the Montessori program that absorbed a lot of the resources, benefiting from being under Drew's Title I status even when, as we now see by their loss of Title I status when they become independent in their own building, most of the FRL-eligible kids were in the neighborhood program and the resources should have been going to that program; APS treating the school as one instead of two separate programs; APS' inexcusable and absolute denial about the real situation, and APS' neglect and inaction to do anything to resolve it until it finally became convenient for them because they could get what they needed to build the school they wanted.

What you are missing is that a school does not have to have less than 10% poor kids and the highest test scores to be a high-quality, successful school. What you are missing is that there are other definitions of a successful school and important values to be gained from a public school experience that apparently don't match yours but are just as valid. You don't want any of these aspects for your family and so you won't ever send your kids to any of these "lesser, failing" schools.

What we are NOT missing is your ignorance being a part of our school community.


Thanks for the polemic, but I didn't say anything other han I think Drew is going to have a farms rate comparable to Randolph and Carlin Springs. Which it will. I didn't "miss" any of the things your rhetoric describes. You brought up these things not me.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can you explain this South Arlington delusion to which you refer? Sorry, I’m not getting it. I bought a house in the Henry zone. I’m not delusional about the demographics outside of the well-rated 22204 schools. I just want my kids to go to a good school, again like I imagined they would when I bought my house. Please enlighten me.


drew is a finally going to have a fantastic neighborhood school!
Delusional.
All of those affordable units walkable to Oakridge will stay there and we will only get the high end town homes near Shirlington and part of the sfh’s in Douglas Park.
Delusional.
Barcroft just needs to get rid of the year round calendar and it will be just like Henry
Delusional
Barcroft Apartments will soon be torn down to make way for town homes.
Delusional
The food Star is gone= gentrification is eminent
Delusional.

I could go on...


You're the delusional one, and can't do math apparently. All of Oakridge's AH is going to move to Drew, and even so it will still be less than half what Carlin Springs is managing. It will never be Henry/Fleet/Oakridge. But it won't be Carlin Springs either.

Food Star is a giant hole in the ground. They've poured the foundation. It's not going to be anything better or worse than Penrose. Actually, it is going to be better than Penrose because it's going to have a Harris Teeter rather than a Giant, and green space rather than a concrete heat island. Frankly, I don't care whether it's a sign of "gentrification," though if you want to get technical, it is the text book definition of "gentrification." I am that glad there will be a grocery store that I want to shop in within walking distance of my house. Maybe that makes me a terrible person, but I thought the Food Star smelled bad and looked dirty. My neighbors agree, and are very happy with the new development.

The Barcroft Apartments aren't going to be torn down, and they will largely remain zoned to Randolph.

The Barcroft calendar needs to change because it's expensive and doesn't make any sense. Maybe it would help keep more neighborhood kids at the school, maybe not. But it needs to go either way.

Anything else I can clear up for you?






Nope. You’ve proved my point flawlessly. Thanks.


I feel like you think you're talking to the same person. There are at least two of us responding to your hysteria.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can you explain this South Arlington delusion to which you refer? Sorry, I’m not getting it. I bought a house in the Henry zone. I’m not delusional about the demographics outside of the well-rated 22204 schools. I just want my kids to go to a good school, again like I imagined they would when I bought my house. Please enlighten me.


drew is a finally going to have a fantastic neighborhood school!
Delusional.
All of those affordable units walkable to Oakridge will stay there and we will only get the high end town homes near Shirlington and part of the sfh’s in Douglas Park.
Delusional.
Barcroft just needs to get rid of the year round calendar and it will be just like Henry
Delusional
Barcroft Apartments will soon be torn down to make way for town homes.
Delusional
The food Star is gone= gentrification is eminent
Delusional.

I could go on...


You're the delusional one, and can't do math apparently. All of Oakridge's AH is going to move to Drew, and even so it will still be less than half what Carlin Springs is managing. It will never be Henry/Fleet/Oakridge. But it won't be Carlin Springs either.

Food Star is a giant hole in the ground. They've poured the foundation. It's not going to be anything better or worse than Penrose. Actually, it is going to be better than Penrose because it's going to have a Harris Teeter rather than a Giant, and green space rather than a concrete heat island. Frankly, I don't care whether it's a sign of "gentrification," though if you want to get technical, it is the text book definition of "gentrification." I am that glad there will be a grocery store that I want to shop in within walking distance of my house. Maybe that makes me a terrible person, but I thought the Food Star smelled bad and looked dirty. My neighbors agree, and are very happy with the new development.

The Barcroft Apartments aren't going to be torn down, and they will largely remain zoned to Randolph.

The Barcroft calendar needs to change because it's expensive and doesn't make any sense. Maybe it would help keep more neighborhood kids at the school, maybe not. But it needs to go either way.

Anything else I can clear up for you?






Nope. You’ve proved my point flawlessly. Thanks.


I feel like you think you're talking to the same person. There are at least two of us responding to your hysteria.


Make that at least three.
Anonymous
Wait.
Is there more than one hysterical, delusional south Arlington poster?
Now I’m confused!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Wait.
Is there more than one hysterical, delusional south Arlington poster?
Now I’m confused!


Well, you've got that right. You are and always have been "confused."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait.
Is there more than one hysterical, delusional south Arlington poster?
Now I’m confused!


Well, you've got that right. You are and always have been "confused."


you should write another diatribe. That will really clear some things up.
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