Clueless kids on bus

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole problem is that you are defending those mean girls. NO one should bully other kids.

Right.

For the record, yes a kid in grade six should step in. Why should he sit by and listen to these girls be demeaning to their peers?

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There are some pathetic parents here who are desperately trying to spin this into the patrol being somehow at fault. They can't seem to stand the thought that the mean girls in this situation happened to be in AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole problem is that you are defending those mean girls. NO one should bully other kids.

Right.

For the record, yes a kid in grade six should step in. Why should he sit by and listen to these girls be demeaning to their peers?

Interesting that, on the AAP forum, a poster started a thread called "Why I Hate AAP Parents" and then a few days later a thread appears that might have been entitled "Why
I Hate AAP Kids." Lots of free-floating resentment out there against AAP that is being channeled in unproductive ways.

I'm the PP in the second quote. As far as the grade 6 patrol kid stepping in, it doesn't matter what program anyone is in.

I personally have no problem with AAP kids. I have a problem with kids with a "I'm better than you because..." attitude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole problem is that you are defending those mean girls. NO one should bully other kids.

Right.

For the record, yes a kid in grade six should step in. Why should he sit by and listen to these girls be demeaning to their peers?

Interesting that, on the AAP forum, a poster started a thread called "Why I Hate AAP Parents" and then a few days later a thread appears that might have been entitled "Why I Hate AAP Kids." Lots of free-floating resentment out there against AAP that is being channeled in unproductive ways.

Perhaps many parents have reached their limit with the superiority complex AAP seems to breed in many of its participants. If the program were much smaller, you wouldn't see these kinds of problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounded to me like an older boy inserting himself into a conversation among much younger girls because his mother had inculcated her resentment of AAP students in him. It may be easy for him to intimidate girls who are several years younger than he is. Let's see how it goes when he tries to boss children his own age around.

Well, clearly you have your own agenda. This was a PATROL, and they are told to step in when they see someone being bullied, made fun of, what have you. He did exactly the right thing, but you go right ahead and paint him as some kind big mean 6th grader. I applaud him for hearing nasty comments and putting a stop to them. And that goes for any kind of bullying this kid or other patrols are witnesses to. You don't even need to be a patrol to stand up for others. Isn't that what we are trying to teach our kids, to say something when they witness behavior like this? We need more kids like him, who are ready to nip this kind of nastiness in the bud. Hopefully it isn't your kid who could use a helping hand one of these days.

I wouldn't have an issue if a patrol heard kids bickering loudly and reminded them all to keep the noise down and be kind to one another. It does not sound like this is what happened here.

Instead, he decided to take sides when some younger AAP and GenEd students were discussing the indisputable fact that FCPS considers some kids more academically advanced than others, and then intimidated the AAP students into silence. And he apparently did so because he is a GenEd student, and knew he'd earn brownie points with his mother for reporting that he'd told off some AAP kids.

Assuming, of course, this actually happened, and wasn't just made up by the OP so she could launch into another anti-AAP vent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole problem is that you are defending those mean girls. NO one should bully other kids.

Right.

For the record, yes a kid in grade six should step in. Why should he sit by and listen to these girls be demeaning to their peers?

Interesting that, on the AAP forum, a poster started a thread called "Why I Hate AAP Parents" and then a few days later a thread appears that might have been entitled "Why I Hate AAP Kids." Lots of free-floating resentment out there against AAP that is being channeled in unproductive ways.

Perhaps many parents have reached their limit with the superiority complex AAP seems to breed in many of its participants. If the program were much smaller, you wouldn't see these kinds of problems.

If the program were more selective, the AAP students and parents would supposedly have less of a superiority complex?

The logic here escapes me. I guess you might have fewer insecure parents worried because their own kids aren't in AAP if the GenEd population were larger, and they'd feel less of a need to post crap about AAP all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounded to me like an older boy inserting himself into a conversation among much younger girls because his mother had inculcated her resentment of AAP students in him. It may be easy for him to intimidate girls who are several years younger than he is. Let's see how it goes when he tries to boss children his own age around.

Well, clearly you have your own agenda. This was a PATROL, and they are told to step in when they see someone being bullied, made fun of, what have you. He did exactly the right thing, but you go right ahead and paint him as some kind big mean 6th grader. I applaud him for hearing nasty comments and putting a stop to them. And that goes for any kind of bullying this kid or other patrols are witnesses to. You don't even need to be a patrol to stand up for others. Isn't that what we are trying to teach our kids, to say something when they witness behavior like this? We need more kids like him, who are ready to nip this kind of nastiness in the bud. Hopefully it isn't your kid who could use a helping hand one of these days.

I wouldn't have an issue if a patrol heard kids bickering loudly and reminded them all to keep the noise down and be kind to one another. It does not sound like this is what happened here.

Instead, he decided to take sides when some younger AAP and GenEd students were discussing the indisputable fact that FCPS considers some kids more academically advanced than others, and then intimidated the AAP students into silence. And he apparently did so because he is a GenEd student, and knew he'd earn brownie points with his mother for reporting that he'd told off some AAP kids.

Assuming, of course, this actually happened, and wasn't just made up by the OP so she could launch into another anti-AAP vent.

You certainly can believe whatever twisted spin you choose, but after seeing personally witnessing similar instances myself, I absolutely believe this happened and I applaud the patrol for stepping in. I suppose if the subject had been travel soccer and the two kids were telling the one that she wasn't good enough, then it would be just fine with you for the patrol to have stepped in. Quite a double standard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole problem is that you are defending those mean girls. NO one should bully other kids.

Right.

For the record, yes a kid in grade six should step in. Why should he sit by and listen to these girls be demeaning to their peers?

Interesting that, on the AAP forum, a poster started a thread called "Why I Hate AAP Parents" and then a few days later a thread appears that might have been entitled "Why I Hate AAP Kids." Lots of free-floating resentment out there against AAP that is being channeled in unproductive ways.

Perhaps many parents have reached their limit with the superiority complex AAP seems to breed in many of its participants. If the program were much smaller, you wouldn't see these kinds of problems.

If the program were more selective, the AAP students and parents would supposedly have less of a superiority complex?

The logic here escapes me. I guess you might have fewer insecure parents worried because their own kids aren't in AAP if the GenEd population were larger, and they'd feel less of a need to post crap about AAP all the time.

This is perfectly logical. The original small GT program was very selective and it was understood that these were the kids who actually needed such a program. Nowadays, with AAP, there is the widespread feeling that far too many children are in this program, creating divisiveness between students and parents alike.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounded to me like an older boy inserting himself into a conversation among much younger girls because his mother had inculcated her resentment of AAP students in him. It may be easy for him to intimidate girls who are several years younger than he is. Let's see how it goes when he tries to boss children his own age around.

Well, clearly you have your own agenda. This was a PATROL, and they are told to step in when they see someone being bullied, made fun of, what have you. He did exactly the right thing, but you go right ahead and paint him as some kind big mean 6th grader. I applaud him for hearing nasty comments and putting a stop to them. And that goes for any kind of bullying this kid or other patrols are witnesses to. You don't even need to be a patrol to stand up for others. Isn't that what we are trying to teach our kids, to say something when they witness behavior like this? We need more kids like him, who are ready to nip this kind of nastiness in the bud. Hopefully it isn't your kid who could use a helping hand one of these days.

I wouldn't have an issue if a patrol heard kids bickering loudly and reminded them all to keep the noise down and be kind to one another. It does not sound like this is what happened here.

Instead, he decided to take sides when some younger AAP and GenEd students were discussing the indisputable fact that FCPS considers some kids more academically advanced than others, and then intimidated the AAP students into silence. And he apparently did so because he is a GenEd student, and knew he'd earn brownie points with his mother for reporting that he'd told off some AAP kids.

Assuming, of course, this actually happened, and wasn't just made up by the OP so she could launch into another anti-AAP vent.

You certainly can believe whatever twisted spin you choose, but after seeing personally witnessing similar instances myself, I absolutely believe this happened and I applaud the patrol for stepping in. I suppose if the subject had been travel soccer and the two kids were telling the one that she wasn't good enough, then it would be just fine with you for the patrol to have stepped in. Quite a double standard.

The greatest spin clearly was in the OP's post, as she either invented or exaggerated a situation to make her own kid look good and justify pot shots at AAP. Just a few days after someone started a "why I hate AAP parents" thread, too, by the way.

It's funny how you now keep trying to come up with other scenarios of situations that you claim would provoke or merit a similar response, and yet it's always the "mean AAP kid" (or parent) scenario that results in new threads. That's not a coincidence - it's a few parents whose kids didn't get into AAP, cannot come to terms with it, and relentlessly look for ways to attack AAP and AAP parents/students. Sad for them, and even worse for their kids to have such obsessed parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole problem is that you are defending those mean girls. NO one should bully other kids.

Right.

For the record, yes a kid in grade six should step in. Why should he sit by and listen to these girls be demeaning to their peers?

Interesting that, on the AAP forum, a poster started a thread called "Why I Hate AAP Parents" and then a few days later a thread appears that might have been entitled "Why I Hate AAP Kids." Lots of free-floating resentment out there against AAP that is being channeled in unproductive ways.

Perhaps many parents have reached their limit with the superiority complex AAP seems to breed in many of its participants. If the program were much smaller, you wouldn't see these kinds of problems.

If the program were more selective, the AAP students and parents would supposedly have less of a superiority complex?

The logic here escapes me. I guess you might have fewer insecure parents worried because their own kids aren't in AAP if the GenEd population were larger, and they'd feel less of a need to post crap about AAP all the time.

This is perfectly logical. The original small GT program was very selective and it was understood that these were the kids who actually needed such a program. Nowadays, with AAP, there is the widespread feeling that far too many children are in this program, creating divisiveness between students and parents alike.

It's not logical at all. Parents of current AAP students generally believe that their kids benefit from the program, or they wouldn't enroll their kids in AAP. I understand there are some parents of kids who aren't AAP-eligible who are upset about that decision, and constantly look for new ways to express their unhappiness, but there have always been parents who felt the criteria should be adjusted to allow their own kid into the most rigorous academic program available, , and that will remain the case so long as AAP is around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounded to me like an older boy inserting himself into a conversation among much younger girls because his mother had inculcated her resentment of AAP students in him. It may be easy for him to intimidate girls who are several years younger than he is. Let's see how it goes when he tries to boss children his own age around.

Well, clearly you have your own agenda. This was a PATROL, and they are told to step in when they see someone being bullied, made fun of, what have you. He did exactly the right thing, but you go right ahead and paint him as some kind big mean 6th grader. I applaud him for hearing nasty comments and putting a stop to them. And that goes for any kind of bullying this kid or other patrols are witnesses to. You don't even need to be a patrol to stand up for others. Isn't that what we are trying to teach our kids, to say something when they witness behavior like this? We need more kids like him, who are ready to nip this kind of nastiness in the bud. Hopefully it isn't your kid who could use a helping hand one of these days.

I wouldn't have an issue if a patrol heard kids bickering loudly and reminded them all to keep the noise down and be kind to one another. It does not sound like this is what happened here.

Instead, he decided to take sides when some younger AAP and GenEd students were discussing the indisputable fact that FCPS considers some kids more academically advanced than others, and then intimidated the AAP students into silence. And he apparently did so because he is a GenEd student, and knew he'd earn brownie points with his mother for reporting that he'd told off some AAP kids.

Assuming, of course, this actually happened, and wasn't just made up by the OP so she could launch into another anti-AAP vent.

You certainly can believe whatever twisted spin you choose, but after seeing personally witnessing similar instances myself, I absolutely believe this happened and I applaud the patrol for stepping in. I suppose if the subject had been travel soccer and the two kids were telling the one that she wasn't good enough, then it would be just fine with you for the patrol to have stepped in. Quite a double standard.

The greatest spin clearly was in the OP's post, as she either invented or exaggerated a situation to make her own kid look good and justify pot shots at AAP. Just a few days after someone started a "why I hate AAP parents" thread, too, by the way.

It's funny how you now keep trying to come up with other scenarios of situations that you claim would provoke or merit a similar response, and yet it's always the "mean AAP kid" (or parent) scenario that results in new threads. That's not a coincidence - it's a few parents whose kids didn't get into AAP, cannot come to terms with it, and relentlessly look for ways to attack AAP and AAP parents/students. Sad for them, and even worse for their kids to have such obsessed parents.

What's amusing is that you seem to think there's only one poster who feels this way. I haven't come up with any other scenarios, other than the one I posted above, so perhaps your remarks are meant for other posters as well. Maybe you shouldn't assume you're having a discussion with only one person, because it seems there are many people reading these posts who feel the patrol did exactly what he was supposed to. And it's definitely not "a few parents" that you can just dismiss because their "kids didn't get into AAP". A lot of parents I know aren't upset because their kids aren't in AAP; they're upset because the Gen Ed classes keep diminishing as more and more kids are placed in AAP, often through parental insistence. That's a very different thing than insisting your child needs a special program when they don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole problem is that you are defending those mean girls. NO one should bully other kids.

Right.

For the record, yes a kid in grade six should step in. Why should he sit by and listen to these girls be demeaning to their peers?

Interesting that, on the AAP forum, a poster started a thread called "Why I Hate AAP Parents" and then a few days later a thread appears that might have been entitled "Why I Hate AAP Kids." Lots of free-floating resentment out there against AAP that is being channeled in unproductive ways.

Perhaps many parents have reached their limit with the superiority complex AAP seems to breed in many of its participants. If the program were much smaller, you wouldn't see these kinds of problems.

If the program were more selective, the AAP students and parents would supposedly have less of a superiority complex?

The logic here escapes me. I guess you might have fewer insecure parents worried because their own kids aren't in AAP if the GenEd population were larger, and they'd feel less of a need to post crap about AAP all the time.

This is perfectly logical. The original small GT program was very selective and it was understood that these were the kids who actually needed such a program. Nowadays, with AAP, there is the widespread feeling that far too many children are in this program, creating divisiveness between students and parents alike.

It's not logical at all. Parents of current AAP students generally believe that their kids benefit from the program, or they wouldn't enroll their kids in AAP. I understand there are some parents of kids who aren't AAP-eligible who are upset about that decision, and constantly look for new ways to express their unhappiness, but there have always been parents who felt the criteria should be adjusted to allow their own kid into the most rigorous academic program available, , and that will remain the case so long as AAP is around.

I disagree. If the standards of today's AAP program were as high as they were for GT, then there would not only be far fewer kids qualifying for it, there would also be far fewer upset parents. There are only so many kids who could make a high cutoff and parents know this. However, when the qualifying score is lower, many more kids can attain it or at least get close enough to parent refer or appeal with a WISC score. This just opens up a whole Pandora's box of problems. Can't believe FCPS hasn't gotten fed up enough yet with all the angst this program has caused to give it a major overhaul, raise the qualifying score, and refuse to base decisions on anything other than the score of an in-school only test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole problem is that you are defending those mean girls. NO one should bully other kids.

Right.

For the record, yes a kid in grade six should step in. Why should he sit by and listen to these girls be demeaning to their peers?

Interesting that, on the AAP forum, a poster started a thread called "Why I Hate AAP Parents" and then a few days later a thread appears that might have been entitled "Why I Hate AAP Kids." Lots of free-floating resentment out there against AAP that is being channeled in unproductive ways.

Perhaps many parents have reached their limit with the superiority complex AAP seems to breed in many of its participants. If the program were much smaller, you wouldn't see these kinds of problems.

If the program were more selective, the AAP students and parents would supposedly have less of a superiority complex?

The logic here escapes me. I guess you might have fewer insecure parents worried because their own kids aren't in AAP if the GenEd population were larger, and they'd feel less of a need to post crap about AAP all the time.

This is perfectly logical. The original small GT program was very selective and it was understood that these were the kids who actually needed such a program. Nowadays, with AAP, there is the widespread feeling that far too many children are in this program, creating divisiveness between students and parents alike.

It's not logical at all. Parents of current AAP students generally believe that their kids benefit from the program, or they wouldn't enroll their kids in AAP. I understand there are some parents of kids who aren't AAP-eligible who are upset about that decision, and constantly look for new ways to express their unhappiness, but there have always been parents who felt the criteria should be adjusted to allow their own kid into the most rigorous academic program available, , and that will remain the case so long as AAP is around.

I disagree. If the standards of today's AAP program were as high as they were for GT, then there would not only be far fewer kids qualifying for it, there would also be far fewer upset parents. There are only so many kids who could make a high cutoff and parents know this. However, when the qualifying score is lower, many more kids can attain it or at least get close enough to parent refer or appeal with a WISC score. This just opens up a whole Pandora's box of problems. Can't believe FCPS hasn't gotten fed up enough yet with all the angst this program has caused to give it a major overhaul, raise the qualifying score, and refuse to base decisions on anything other than the score of an in-school only test.

There rally isn't a lot of angst. Just a few disgruntled osiers like yourself.
It is incredibly popular program; more people are worried about how to get in than those wanting to "give it a major overhaul."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole problem is that you are defending those mean girls. NO one should bully other kids.

Right.

For the record, yes a kid in grade six should step in. Why should he sit by and listen to these girls be demeaning to their peers?

Interesting that, on the AAP forum, a poster started a thread called "Why I Hate AAP Parents" and then a few days later a thread appears that might have been entitled "Why I Hate AAP Kids." Lots of free-floating resentment out there against AAP that is being channeled in unproductive ways.

Perhaps many parents have reached their limit with the superiority complex AAP seems to breed in many of its participants. If the program were much smaller, you wouldn't see these kinds of problems.

If the program were more selective, the AAP students and parents would supposedly have less of a superiority complex?

The logic here escapes me. I guess you might have fewer insecure parents worried because their own kids aren't in AAP if the GenEd population were larger, and they'd feel less of a need to post crap about AAP all the time.

This is perfectly logical. The original small GT program was very selective and it was understood that these were the kids who actually needed such a program. Nowadays, with AAP, there is the widespread feeling that far too many children are in this program, creating divisiveness between students and parents alike.

It's not logical at all. Parents of current AAP students generally believe that their kids benefit from the program, or they wouldn't enroll their kids in AAP. I understand there are some parents of kids who aren't AAP-eligible who are upset about that decision, and constantly look for new ways to express their unhappiness, but there have always been parents who felt the criteria should be adjusted to allow their own kid into the most rigorous academic program available, , and that will remain the case so long as AAP is around.

I disagree. If the standards of today's AAP program were as high as they were for GT, then there would not only be far fewer kids qualifying for it, there would also be far fewer upset parents. There are only so many kids who could make a high cutoff and parents know this. However, when the qualifying score is lower, many more kids can attain it or at least get close enough to parent refer or appeal with a WISC score. This just opens up a whole Pandora's box of problems. Can't believe FCPS hasn't gotten fed up enough yet with all the angst this program has caused to give it a major overhaul, raise the qualifying score, and refuse to base decisions on anything other than the score of an in-school only test.

There rally isn't a lot of angst. Just a few disgruntled osiers like yourself.
It is incredibly popular program; more people are worried about how to get in than those wanting to "give it a major overhaul."

sorry about the spelling -- should be: there really isn't a lot of angst. Just a few disgruntled posters like yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole problem is that you are defending those mean girls. NO one should bully other kids.

Right.

For the record, yes a kid in grade six should step in. Why should he sit by and listen to these girls be demeaning to their peers?

Interesting that, on the AAP forum, a poster started a thread called "Why I Hate AAP Parents" and then a few days later a thread appears that might have been entitled "Why I Hate AAP Kids." Lots of free-floating resentment out there against AAP that is being channeled in unproductive ways.

Perhaps many parents have reached their limit with the superiority complex AAP seems to breed in many of its participants. If the program were much smaller, you wouldn't see these kinds of problems.

If the program were more selective, the AAP students and parents would supposedly have less of a superiority complex?

The logic here escapes me. I guess you might have fewer insecure parents worried because their own kids aren't in AAP if the GenEd population were larger, and they'd feel less of a need to post crap about AAP all the time.

This is perfectly logical. The original small GT program was very selective and it was understood that these were the kids who actually needed such a program. Nowadays, with AAP, there is the widespread feeling that far too many children are in this program, creating divisiveness between students and parents alike.

It's not logical at all. Parents of current AAP students generally believe that their kids benefit from the program, or they wouldn't enroll their kids in AAP. I understand there are some parents of kids who aren't AAP-eligible who are upset about that decision, and constantly look for new ways to express their unhappiness, but there have always been parents who felt the criteria should be adjusted to allow their own kid into the most rigorous academic program available, , and that will remain the case so long as AAP is around.

I disagree. If the standards of today's AAP program were as high as they were for GT, then there would not only be far fewer kids qualifying for it, there would also be far fewer upset parents. There are only so many kids who could make a high cutoff and parents know this. However, when the qualifying score is lower, many more kids can attain it or at least get close enough to parent refer or appeal with a WISC score. This just opens up a whole Pandora's box of problems. Can't believe FCPS hasn't gotten fed up enough yet with all the angst this program has caused to give it a major overhaul, raise the qualifying score, and refuse to base decisions on anything other than the score of an in-school only test.

There rally isn't a lot of angst. Just a few disgruntled osiers like yourself.
It is incredibly popular program; more people are worried about how to get in than those wanting to "give it a major overhaul."

sorry about the spelling -- should be: there really isn't a lot of angst. Just a few disgruntled posters like yourself.

Try telling that to the many parents at our center school who have had it with AAP. DCUM doesn't represent the real world, you know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DCUM doesn't represent the real world, you know.

Most relevant statement for this entire thread.