mute & handicap parking

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Um, yeah, actually I do get decide how to parent my kid.

And the rest of us can decide that you're a jerk who thinks she's entitled to special "prerogatives" because, wonder of wonders, she has a kid. The rest of us have children, too, you know, and they're better-behaved. Your'e right, there's nothing we can really do about it unless we meet you at the pool and complain. This particular poster has made me change my mind about minding my own business.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Um, yeah, actually I do get decide how to parent my kid.

And the rest of us can decide that you're a jerk who thinks she's entitled to special "prerogatives" because, wonder of wonders, she has a kid. The rest of us have children, too, you know, and they're better-behaved. Your'e right, there's nothing we can really do about it unless we meet you at the pool and complain. This particular poster has made me change my mind about minding my own business.

And I can think that people like you are raving lunatics for whom the sky is always falling. I would gladly have you complain about my using a stall in the bathroom at the pool when no one is waiting for it just to watch the faces of the people in charge stare at you blankly and wonder what in the world you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

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You are a raving lunatic. A 5 year old wants help getting out of a wet suit and now she's behaving in a dreadfully offensive self-centered fashion. I've heard it all now. She's five for crying out loud. All she sees is a bigger stall that she can get help with. So what, just in case someone might come along, I'm supposed to tell my kid to f off? I don't think so. You're offensive.

Is that how you'd speak to a child?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
You are a raving lunatic. A 5 year old wants help getting out of a wet suit and now she's behaving in a dreadfully offensive self-centered fashion. I've heard it all now. She's five for crying out loud. All she sees is a bigger stall that she can get help with. So what, just in case someone might come along, I'm supposed to tell my kid to f off? I don't think so. You're offensive.

Is that how you'd speak to a child?

I'm glad that you're referring to yourself as a child, because that's how you sound.
Other children in real life? Yeah, an anonymous forum of mostly adults, yourself excluded, is entirely representative of how I speak to children. Yes, you're right. Good one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I'm glad that you're referring to yourself as a child, because that's how you sound.
Other children in real life? Yeah, an anonymous forum of mostly adults, yourself excluded, is entirely representative of how I speak to children. Yes, you're right. Good one.

Your previous post gave an example of what you could do instead of explaining to your child who has the privilege of using the larger stall. At five, she should be able to read the logo if it's present, and to understand that other people, even other children, need more room because of a disability. Calm down and give it a try; unless she has a learning disability she will understand. If she does have a learning or cognitive disability, or perhaps if she has severe behavioral issues you are correct, you can use the stall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I'm glad that you're referring to yourself as a child, because that's how you sound.
Other children in real life? Yeah, an anonymous forum of mostly adults, yourself excluded, is entirely representative of how I speak to children. Yes, you're right. Good one.

Your previous post gave an example of what you could do instead of explaining to your child who has the privilege of using the larger stall. At five, she should be able to read the logo if it's present, and to understand that other people, even other children, need more room because of a disability. Calm down and give it a try; unless she has a learning disability she will understand. If she does have a learning or cognitive disability, or perhaps if she has severe behavioral issues you are correct, you can use the stall.

If other people need the stall, as I have said 1000 times on here, they are welcome to use it and we will defer. As it is, most people use it because the regular stalls are hard pressed to fit one overweight person in there. When my daughter is in a one piece, she requests help. I cannot fit in the small stall. And that's what I choose to do. But perhaps it was you who said I was raising an offensive self-centered child. So you can understand that I don't give a crap when you say I can use the stall. I will use it when I deem fit, and that means when no one else is around or using it. I'm done talking to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:\r. As it is, most people use it because the regular stalls are hard pressed to fit one overweight person in there. When my daughter is in a one piece, she requests help. I cannot fit in the small stall. And that's what I choose to do. But perhaps it was you who said I was raising an offensive self-centered child. So you can understand that I don't give a crap when you say I can use the stall. I will use it when I deem fit, and that means when no one else is around or using it. I'm done talking to you.

Oh, you didn't tell us you were too large to fit in a regular stall. Obesity is a disease, so I think you do qualify. My apologies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are you for real? Where does it say handicapped stalls are to be immediately accessible, 24/7? Do people in wheelchairs never wait?

People in wheelchairs on average wait longer than those that are not. The reason is simple: If there are say 4 stalls in a bathroom, 3 normal and 1 handicapped, to the wheelchair user there is really only one stall. It's like the other 3 don't exist. So they must wait when that one handicapped stall is occupied even if all the other 3 are open. For people that have the option to use all 4, they only have to wait when all 4 are occupied.

Okay, so what happens when someone in a wheelchair is in the stall, and another person with a wheelchair shows up? Does the new arrival scream "I don't have to wait!" and get to kick out the occupant?

They wait while watching others come and go using the non-handicap stalls, when the other wheelchair user finishes, then they go in.

Precisely. They wait. Because they aren't in an emergency vehicle, they are in a wheelchair.

[Anonymous]

A handicapped stall is not the same thing as a handicapped parking space, people!! The stall has features that make it beneficial to a handicapped person, but those are not diminished by an able-bodied person using it for two minutes. The value of a handicapped parking space is its location, and it can't be used if an able-bodied person parks there. Pee all you want in the handicapped stall, as long as there is no one waiting to use it - the bathroom capacity is designed with the intent for able-bodied people to use that stall as well. Sheesh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:\r. As it is, most people use it because the regular stalls are hard pressed to fit one overweight person in there. When my daughter is in a one piece, she requests help. I cannot fit in the small stall. And that's what I choose to do. But perhaps it was you who said I was raising an offensive self-centered child. So you can understand that I don't give a crap when you say I can use the stall. I will use it when I deem fit, and that means when no one else is around or using it. I'm done talking to you.

Oh, you didn't tell us you were too large to fit in a regular stall. Obesity is a disease, so I think you do qualify. My apologies.

No apologies necessary as I am not overweight. It was a way to give you an idea of how small the stalls are. But I get it. It's hard for you to keep up or think in any way that's not entirely linear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A handicapped stall is not the same thing as a handicapped parking space, people!! The stall has features that make it beneficial to a handicapped person, but those are not diminished by an able-bodied person using it for two minutes. The value of a handicapped parking space is its location, and it can't be used if an able-bodied person parks there. Pee all you want in the handicapped stall, as long as there is no one waiting to use it - the bathroom capacity is designed with the intent for able-bodied people to use that stall as well. Sheesh.

Thank you. I honestly think I have entered an alternate universe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:\r. As it is, most people use it because the regular stalls are hard pressed to fit one overweight person in there. When my daughter is in a one piece, she requests help. I cannot fit in the small stall. And that's what I choose to do. But perhaps it was you who said I was raising an offensive self-centered child. So you can understand that I don't give a crap when you say I can use the stall. I will use it when I deem fit, and that means when no one else is around or using it. I'm done talking to you.

Oh, you didn't tell us you were too large to fit in a regular stall. Obesity is a disease, so I think you do qualify. My apologies.

NP here. You went too far and lost any remaining shred of credibility. Or empathy.

Fail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A handicapped stall is not the same thing as a handicapped parking space, people!! The stall has features that make it beneficial to a handicapped person, but those are not diminished by an able-bodied person using it for two minutes. The value of a handicapped parking space is its location, and it can't be used if an able-bodied person parks there. Pee all you want in the handicapped stall, as long as there is no one waiting to use it - the bathroom capacity is designed with the intent for able-bodied people to use that stall as well. Sheesh.

Actually there more similar than you think. Location of a handicap parking space is only one feature they provide. The most vital feature they provide to people that truly need them is the access aisle and barrier free route. The access aisle is very comparable to the extra space in a handicapped bathroom stall. And the barrier free route is very comparable to the wider door and grab bars. Without these extra features, those who use mobility aids, like wheelchairs and walkers, could not park or use the bathroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm glad that you're referring to yourself as a child, because that's how you sound.
Other children in real life? Yeah, an anonymous forum of mostly adults, yourself excluded, is entirely representative of how I speak to children. Yes, you're right. Good one.

Your previous post gave an example of what you could do instead of explaining to your child who has the privilege of using the larger stall. At five, she should be able to read the logo if it's present, and to understand that other people, even other children, need more room because of a disability. Calm down and give it a try; unless she has a learning disability she will understand. If she does have a learning or cognitive disability, or perhaps if she has severe behavioral issues you are correct, you can use the stall.

If other people need the stall, as I have said 1000 times on here, they are welcome to use it and we will defer. As it is, most people use it because the regular stalls are hard pressed to fit one overweight person in there. When my daughter is in a one piece, she requests help. I cannot fit in the small stall. And that's what I choose to do. But perhaps it was you who said I was raising an offensive self-centered child. So you can understand that I don't give a crap when you say I can use the stall. I will use it when I deem fit, and that means when no one else is around or using it. I'm done talking to you.

NP here - yes, PP, none of these posters are the Boss of You and if you want to run the risk of inconveniencing disabled people who need the stall to make your life that much more pleasant, you can. If you want to teach your daughter that it's more important for you both to have extra elbow room while you change than to respect the needs of others (even if they're not immediately present right at the moment you walk into the stall), you can. If you want to teach your daughter that she should consider others only after she's made herself as comfortable as possible, you can.

What charming lessons for her to learn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm glad that you're referring to yourself as a child, because that's how you sound.
Other children in real life? Yeah, an anonymous forum of mostly adults, yourself excluded, is entirely representative of how I speak to children. Yes, you're right. Good one.

Your previous post gave an example of what you could do instead of explaining to your child who has the privilege of using the larger stall. At five, she should be able to read the logo if it's present, and to understand that other people, even other children, need more room because of a disability. Calm down and give it a try; unless she has a learning disability she will understand. If she does have a learning or cognitive disability, or perhaps if she has severe behavioral issues you are correct, you can use the stall.

If other people need the stall, as I have said 1000 times on here, they are welcome to use it and we will defer. As it is, most people use it because the regular stalls are hard pressed to fit one overweight person in there. When my daughter is in a one piece, she requests help. I cannot fit in the small stall. And that's what I choose to do. But perhaps it was you who said I was raising an offensive self-centered child. So you can understand that I don't give a crap when you say I can use the stall. I will use it when I deem fit, and that means when no one else is around or using it. I'm done talking to you.

NP here - yes, PP, none of these posters are the Boss of You and if you want to run the risk of inconveniencing disabled people who need the stall to make your life that much more pleasant, you can. If you want to teach your daughter that it's more important for you both to have extra elbow room while you change than to respect the needs of others (even if they're not immediately present right at the moment you walk into the stall), you can. If you want to teach your daughter that she should consider others only after she's made herself as comfortable as possible, you can.

What charming lessons for her to learn.

SHUT. UP. ALREADY. Ugh.