Son Admitted From Harvard Waitlist. Need Help Deciding

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the kid is chill and wants no stress, go to Brown. There so much competition at Harvard and it's a bad fit for a relaxed, laid back person. You can go for competitive later and just enjoy undergrad.

Not true anymore, relatively speaking perhaps. Just come in with eyes wide open.

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My husband had a recent grad from Brown who graduated Summa and was so incompetent he had to fire her after six months.

Nice fairy tale. Brown abolished summa at least 40 years ago.

Agree, this is total BS. My DS just graduated magna cum laude from Brown. Magna cum laude (top 10%) is the only Latin honors Brown awards. 13 Brown students were accepted to Harvard Law School this year, btw.

That’s nice, they’ll find somewhere between 50 and 80 of their classmates went to Harvard college.

[Anonymous]

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My husband had a recent grad from Brown who graduated Summa and was so incompetent he had to fire her after six months.

Nice fairy tale. Brown abolished summa at least 40 years ago.

Agree, this is total BS. My DS just graduated magna cum laude from Brown. Magna cum laude (top 10%) is the only Latin honors Brown awards. 13 Brown students were accepted to Harvard Law School this year, btw.

That’s nice, they’ll find somewhere between 50 and 80 of their classmates went to Harvard college.

No one is questioning whether a Harvard undergraduate has better odds at HLS? The OP is expressing concern about their child and maintaining a high gpa with changes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My husband had a recent grad from Brown who graduated Summa and was so incompetent he had to fire her after six months.

Nice fairy tale. Brown abolished summa at least 40 years ago.

Agree, this is total BS. My DS just graduated magna cum laude from Brown. Magna cum laude (top 10%) is the only Latin honors Brown awards. 13 Brown students were accepted to Harvard Law School this year, btw.

That’s nice, they’ll find somewhere between 50 and 80 of their classmates went to Harvard college.

Some may find this comment helpful as to why one might choose Brown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My husband had a recent grad from Brown who graduated Summa and was so incompetent he had to fire her after six months.

Nice fairy tale. Brown abolished summa at least 40 years ago.

Agree, this is total BS. My DS just graduated magna cum laude from Brown. Magna cum laude (top 10%) is the only Latin honors Brown awards. 13 Brown students were accepted to Harvard Law School this year, btw.

That’s nice, they’ll find somewhere between 50 and 80 of their classmates went to Harvard college.

Some may find this comment helpful as to why one might choose Brown.

Actually, that’s 13 planning to attend. 38 accepted but going elsewhere with Yale and Stanford generally more likely to be first choices. My DC who just graduated from Brown is going to Yale Law School and was also accepted at HLS.

[Anonymous]

Yes this thread is kind of crazy, and I still think this is overthinking. I'm PP who slid into law school from a SLAC. If my kids are considering law schools, then yes, I will tell them that GPA is very important. If I felt Harvard was a better fit, I would advise them to choose Harvard - not because it has a law school but bc the undergrad experience is a good fit. Then I would advise them to pick courses with GPA in mind. Whether a university has a law school attached to it is irrelevant. Just because a significant percentage of HLS students are Harvard grads doesn't necessarily mean you'll be in that cohort. I know plenty of Harvard grads at lower ranking law schools and plenty of state U grads with HLS degrees.

[Anonymous]

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My husband had a recent grad from Brown who graduated Summa and was so incompetent he had to fire her after six months.

Nice fairy tale. Brown abolished summa at least 40 years ago.

Agree, this is total BS. My DS just graduated magna cum laude from Brown. Magna cum laude (top 10%) is the only Latin honors Brown awards. 13 Brown students were accepted to Harvard Law School this year, btw.

That’s nice, they’ll find somewhere between 50 and 80 of their classmates went to Harvard college.

Some may find this comment helpful as to why one might choose Brown.

Actually, that’s 13 planning to attend. 38 accepted but going elsewhere with Yale and Stanford generally more likely to be first choices. My DC who just graduated from Brown is going to Yale Law School and was also accepted at HLS.

That’s impressive as YLS typically admits fewer than 2 dozen students per year directly from undergrad with no work experience

With only 22 or so such students in the country, I would be surprised if any undergraduate institution had more than one or two such students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes this thread is kind of crazy, and I still think this is overthinking. I'm PP who slid into law school from a SLAC. If my kids are considering law schools, then yes, I will tell them that GPA is very important. If I felt Harvard was a better fit, I would advise them to choose Harvard - not because it has a law school but bc the undergrad experience is a good fit. Then I would advise them to pick courses with GPA in mind. Whether a university has a law school attached to it is irrelevant. Just because a significant percentage of HLS students are Harvard grads doesn't necessarily mean you'll be in that cohort. I know plenty of Harvard grads at lower ranking law schools and plenty of state U grads with HLS degrees.

Congrats to your kid. Harvard is the second largest feeder to Yale Law School after Yale. I'm not surprised that Brown also does well.

[Anonymous]

For those interested, this was the breakdown the last time YLS published feeder numbers -- number reflects students from that institution at Yale law school (not just first years) for the 2019-20 school year:

Yale (90)

Harvard (54)

Columbia (34)

Princeton (31)

Stanford (22)

Dartmouth (21)

Cornell (19)

UChicago (18)

Brown (17)

Pennsylvania (16)

Georgetown (13)

Berkeley (13)

Duke (10)

Northwestern (8)

USC (8)

Michigan (8)

JHU (7)

UVA (7)

Amherst (6)

Swarthmore (6)

Bowdoin (5)

NYU (5)

Tufts (5)

UCLA (5)

UConn (5)

[Anonymous]

OP’s kid is done with first semester at this point. Nothing left to say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

My husband had a recent grad from Brown who graduated Summa and was so incompetent he had to fire her after six months.

Nice fairy tale. Brown abolished summa at least 40 years ago.

Agree, this is total BS. My DS just graduated magna cum laude from Brown. Magna cum laude (top 10%) is the only Latin honors Brown awards. 13 Brown students were accepted to Harvard Law School this year, btw.

That’s nice, they’ll find somewhere between 50 and 80 of their classmates went to Harvard college.

Some may find this comment helpful as to why one might choose Brown.

Actually, that’s 13 planning to attend. 38 accepted but going elsewhere with Yale and Stanford generally more likely to be first choices. My DC who just graduated from Brown is going to Yale Law School and was also accepted at HLS.

That’s impressive as YLS typically admits fewer than 2 dozen students per year directly from undergrad with no work experience

With only 22 or so such students in the country, I would be surprised if any undergraduate institution had more than one or two such students

+1. Only 11% of Yale’s incoming law school comes straight from college so I doubt the post. Especially because they claimed admission at both Yale AND Harvard. These law schools are notorious for yield protection. If they know mom or dad went to Harvard, you will be waitlisted at Chicago and Yale. If grandpa taught at Yale LA you will be wautlisted at Harvard, etc. if they know mom has given money to Harvard Law you won’t even get an interview at UVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

My husband had a recent grad from Brown who graduated Summa and was so incompetent he had to fire her after six months.

Nice fairy tale. Brown abolished summa at least 40 years ago.

Agree, this is total BS. My DS just graduated magna cum laude from Brown. Magna cum laude (top 10%) is the only Latin honors Brown awards. 13 Brown students were accepted to Harvard Law School this year, btw.

That’s nice, they’ll find somewhere between 50 and 80 of their classmates went to Harvard college.

Some may find this comment helpful as to why one might choose Brown.

Actually, that’s 13 planning to attend. 38 accepted but going elsewhere with Yale and Stanford generally more likely to be first choices. My DC who just graduated from Brown is going to Yale Law School and was also accepted at HLS.

That’s impressive as YLS typically admits fewer than 2 dozen students per year directly from undergrad with no work experience

With only 22 or so such students in the country, I would be surprised if any undergraduate institution had more than one or two such students

+1. Only 11% of Yale’s incoming law school comes straight from college so I doubt the post. Especially because they claimed admission at both Yale AND Harvard. These law schools are notorious for yield protection. If they know mom or dad went to Harvard, you will be waitlisted at Chicago and Yale. If grandpa taught at Yale LA you will be wautlisted at Harvard, etc. if they know mom has given money to Harvard Law you won’t even get an interview at UVA.

Everything after the first sentence is complete bs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes this thread is kind of crazy, and I still think this is overthinking. I'm PP who slid into law school from a SLAC. If my kids are considering law schools, then yes, I will tell them that GPA is very important. If I felt Harvard was a better fit, I would advise them to choose Harvard - not because it has a law school but bc the undergrad experience is a good fit. Then I would advise them to pick courses with GPA in mind. Whether a university has a law school attached to it is irrelevant. Just because a significant percentage of HLS students are Harvard grads doesn't necessarily mean you'll be in that cohort. I know plenty of Harvard grads at lower ranking law schools and plenty of state U grads with HLS degrees.

You are missing the point that if OPs son is truly interested in law then he gets a bonus position of attending any university for undergrad that has a law school, because, see above, law schools DO take an inordinately large class from its own institution, whether that be Harvard, Yale or Stanford. Brown doesn’t have one.

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My husband had a recent grad from Brown who graduated Summa and was so incompetent he had to fire her after six months.

Nice fairy tale. Brown abolished summa at least 40 years ago.

Agree, this is total BS. My DS just graduated magna cum laude from Brown. Magna cum laude (top 10%) is the only Latin honors Brown awards. 13 Brown students were accepted to Harvard Law School this year, btw.

That’s nice, they’ll find somewhere between 50 and 80 of their classmates went to Harvard college.

Some may find this comment helpful as to why one might choose Brown.

Actually, that’s 13 planning to attend. 38 accepted but going elsewhere with Yale and Stanford generally more likely to be first choices. My DC who just graduated from Brown is going to Yale Law School and was also accepted at HLS.

That’s impressive as YLS typically admits fewer than 2 dozen students per year directly from undergrad with no work experience

With only 22 or so such students in the country, I would be surprised if any undergraduate institution had more than one or two such students

+1. Only 11% of Yale’s incoming law school comes straight from college so I doubt the post. Especially because they claimed admission at both Yale AND Harvard. These law schools are notorious for yield protection. If they know mom or dad went to Harvard, you will be waitlisted at Chicago and Yale. If grandpa taught at Yale LA you will be wautlisted at Harvard, etc. if they know mom has given money to Harvard Law you won’t even get an interview at UVA.

Everything after the first sentence is complete bs.

Not true at all. I just lived this. kid got into
HLS (parent had attended and had given money): waitlisted at Yale; waitlisted Chicago; waitlisted Georgetown; waitlisted UVA; waitlisted Stanford. Full scholarship at GMU. Happy to answer any questions. And, yes, hired a consultant who said this is normal yield protection, especially of Chicago and Georgetown, whose yield rates are especially poor.