Ivy worth full pay?

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

And your kid couldn’t have decided this before applying to the ivy? Just weird…

I still can't believe op's kid could have gone to H/Y/P and instead is getting a Florida degree. Just a complete waste.

Hardly.

My kid went to Brown and hated it. Loathed it. Hated that "Ivy" culture. She made good friends, who also hated Brown.

She would have been happier at UF. She is not an elitist. She's going into a STEM field, and Brown did not prepare her any better than UF would have.

But, OP, it totally depends on your personal finances, and on your kid.

We could afford full pay at Brown with no issues. But still, if I had a do over, I'd have sent my kid to a large public. She would have been much happier.

Why didn’t your kid transfer to UF if she hated Brown so much

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This is strange to me, I have a stem kid at Brown who absolutely loves it and the student body is a very happy one. They are also not elitist. Seems like it was a bad fit, mine definitely would not like UF or similar. Tough pill to swallow I’m sure at full-price.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

let's see what he thinks of his decision later.

i was full pay at HYP. no regrets!

PP here. Did you fully read what I wrote before commenting? DS older brother paid full tuition at HYP and regretted the decision.

It sounds like your entire family has bad judgment. Passing on H/Y/P for Florida, however, borders on criminally bad decision making. But here you are bragging about it.

DCUM never disappoints. WTF...

Having the money to send kid to an Ivy and instead sending to a school known for heavily relying on online classes is truly
a WTF decision.

Your ignorance shows. UF is an excellent school.

They have online classes, and they don't do a lot of work. A lot of smart kids go there, but I think it is a lot like the public school system in america. You can get a great education, but you need to seek out opportunities. I think at the ivies, there is a lot of peer pressure to do work, and challenge yourself. Go and look at the downtown bar scene on a thursday night at UF vs. Yale. It is a different learning environment.

I agree to a point but as a parent I really don’t value pressure to work over seeking out opportunities as you put it. But to each their own.

My kid went to a large public and worked like a dog. I can't imagine any Ivy would be harder.
The dorms might be nicer at an Ivy, though.
She made a lot of smart friends and got into a great grad program.

Those four years only matter if your kid is planning on a career in higher ed. Otherwise, hard work, great networking and a great attitude will bring success even if you go to community college (BTW, a friend went to CC, then big state school and got into HLS. It happens.)

Sure, there is a one in a million chance that someone like your friend would get into Harvard Law. On the other hand, twenty percent of the class at Harvard Law and Harvard Medical School were Harvard College Undergrads.

It’s only 8-12% at HLS went to Harvard undergrad

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Anonymous wrote:This is strange to me, I have a stem kid at Brown who absolutely loves it and the student body is a very happy one. They are also not elitist. Seems like it was a bad fit, mine definitely would not like UF or similar. Tough pill to swallow I’m sure at full-price.

I agree, DC at a different ivy has a few Stem friends at Brown and they are well adjusted, most on some type of aid, not elitist.
Most kids at ivies or similar especially stem kids would hate UF and all similar schools, not due to elitism, due to peer mismatch.
I wonder if PP is trolling. It makes no sense to say the kid hated ivy and should have transferred, then why didn't they?

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

let's see what he thinks of his decision later.

i was full pay at HYP. no regrets!

PP here. Did you fully read what I wrote before commenting? DS older brother paid full tuition at HYP and regretted the decision.

It sounds like your entire family has bad judgment. Passing on H/Y/P for Florida, however, borders on criminally bad decision making. But here you are bragging about it.

DCUM never disappoints. WTF...

Having the money to send kid to an Ivy and instead sending to a school known for heavily relying on online classes is truly
a WTF decision.

Your ignorance shows. UF is an excellent school.

They have online classes, and they don't do a lot of work. A lot of smart kids go there, but I think it is a lot like the public school system in america. You can get a great education, but you need to seek out opportunities. I think at the ivies, there is a lot of peer pressure to do work, and challenge yourself. Go and look at the downtown bar scene on a thursday night at UF vs. Yale. It is a different learning environment.

I agree to a point but as a parent I really don’t value pressure to work over seeking out opportunities as you put it. But to each their own.

My kid went to a large public and worked like a dog. I can't imagine any Ivy would be harder.
The dorms might be nicer at an Ivy, though.
She made a lot of smart friends and got into a great grad program.

Those four years only matter if your kid is planning on a career in higher ed. Otherwise, hard work, great networking and a great attitude will bring success even if you go to community college (BTW, a friend went to CC, then big state school and got into HLS. It happens.)

Sure, there is a one in a million chance that someone like your friend would get into Harvard Law. On the other hand, twenty percent of the class at Harvard Law and Harvard Medical School were Harvard College Undergrads.

It’s only 8-12% at HLS went to Harvard undergrad

Ok sure only 8-12% of HLS is from Harvard. Guess what another 10% is from Yale, another from Princeton and Penn, about 5% from Columbia, Duke, Northwestern... And furthermore from those non-Harvard yet elite undergrads, about 6-10 matriculate to EACH of the top5 law schools each year

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Anonymous wrote:I did Ivy undergrad and state school for PhD, so it's not a one-to-one comparison because I couldn't possibly have done both for undergrad. Ivy is awesome, and not because it will improve your job prospects, but because of the exposure to many smart people for four years. I can't sugar coat it, Ivy is on another level, period. The intellectual interactions I had at my Ivy were deeper and much more numerous. State was fine, and there were some really smart people too, but Ivy has the volume. It's all about the volume of smart people. Not demeaning state, because I did it too.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

let's see what he thinks of his decision later.

i was full pay at HYP. no regrets!

PP here. Did you fully read what I wrote before commenting? DS older brother paid full tuition at HYP and regretted the decision.

It sounds like your entire family has bad judgment. Passing on H/Y/P for Florida, however, borders on criminally bad decision making. But here you are bragging about it.

DCUM never disappoints. WTF...

Having the money to send kid to an Ivy and instead sending to a school known for heavily relying on online classes is truly
a WTF decision.

Your ignorance shows. UF is an excellent school.

They have online classes, and they don't do a lot of work. A lot of smart kids go there, but I think it is a lot like the public school system in america. You can get a great education, but you need to seek out opportunities. I think at the ivies, there is a lot of peer pressure to do work, and challenge yourself. Go and look at the downtown bar scene on a thursday night at UF vs. Yale. It is a different learning environment.

I agree to a point but as a parent I really don’t value pressure to work over seeking out opportunities as you put it. But to each their own.

My kid went to a large public and worked like a dog. I can't imagine any Ivy would be harder.
The dorms might be nicer at an Ivy, though.
She made a lot of smart friends and got into a great grad program.

Those four years only matter if your kid is planning on a career in higher ed. Otherwise, hard work, great networking and a great attitude will bring success even if you go to community college (BTW, a friend went to CC, then big state school and got into HLS. It happens.)

Sure, there is a one in a million chance that someone like your friend would get into Harvard Law. On the other hand, twenty percent of the class at Harvard Law and Harvard Medical School were Harvard College Undergrads.

It’s only 8-12% at HLS went to Harvard undergrad

Did you use Ai for that answer? For the last year that Harvard actually released number of Harvard undergrads at Harvard law (2023), it was 20 percent. Same is true for Harvard med.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

let's see what he thinks of his decision later.

i was full pay at HYP. no regrets!

PP here. Did you fully read what I wrote before commenting? DS older brother paid full tuition at HYP and regretted the decision.

It sounds like your entire family has bad judgment. Passing on H/Y/P for Florida, however, borders on criminally bad decision making. But here you are bragging about it.

DCUM never disappoints. WTF...

Having the money to send kid to an Ivy and instead sending to a school known for heavily relying on online classes is truly
a WTF decision.

Your ignorance shows. UF is an excellent school.

They have online classes, and they don't do a lot of work. A lot of smart kids go there, but I think it is a lot like the public school system in america. You can get a great education, but you need to seek out opportunities. I think at the ivies, there is a lot of peer pressure to do work, and challenge yourself. Go and look at the downtown bar scene on a thursday night at UF vs. Yale. It is a different learning environment.

I agree to a point but as a parent I really don’t value pressure to work over seeking out opportunities as you put it. But to each their own.

My kid went to a large public and worked like a dog. I can't imagine any Ivy would be harder.
The dorms might be nicer at an Ivy, though.
She made a lot of smart friends and got into a great grad program.

Those four years only matter if your kid is planning on a career in higher ed. Otherwise, hard work, great networking and a great attitude will bring success even if you go to community college (BTW, a friend went to CC, then big state school and got into HLS. It happens.)

Sure, there is a one in a million chance that someone like your friend would get into Harvard Law. On the other hand, twenty percent of the class at Harvard Law and Harvard Medical School were Harvard College Undergrads.

It’s only 8-12% at HLS went to Harvard undergrad

Did you use Ai for that answer? For the last year that Harvard actually released number of Harvard undergrads at Harvard law (2023), it was 20 percent. Same is true for Harvard med.

I'm a HLS grad. It's 12% Same for medical school, generally, 20 out of 165 total, or about 12%

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

let's see what he thinks of his decision later.

i was full pay at HYP. no regrets!

PP here. Did you fully read what I wrote before commenting? DS older brother paid full tuition at HYP and regretted the decision.

It sounds like your entire family has bad judgment. Passing on H/Y/P for Florida, however, borders on criminally bad decision making. But here you are bragging about it.

DCUM never disappoints. WTF...

Having the money to send kid to an Ivy and instead sending to a school known for heavily relying on online classes is truly
a WTF decision.

Your ignorance shows. UF is an excellent school.

They have online classes, and they don't do a lot of work. A lot of smart kids go there, but I think it is a lot like the public school system in america. You can get a great education, but you need to seek out opportunities. I think at the ivies, there is a lot of peer pressure to do work, and challenge yourself. Go and look at the downtown bar scene on a thursday night at UF vs. Yale. It is a different learning environment.

I agree to a point but as a parent I really don’t value pressure to work over seeking out opportunities as you put it. But to each their own.

My kid went to a large public and worked like a dog. I can't imagine any Ivy would be harder.
The dorms might be nicer at an Ivy, though.
She made a lot of smart friends and got into a great grad program.

Those four years only matter if your kid is planning on a career in higher ed. Otherwise, hard work, great networking and a great attitude will bring success even if you go to community college (BTW, a friend went to CC, then big state school and got into HLS. It happens.)

Sure, there is a one in a million chance that someone like your friend would get into Harvard Law. On the other hand, twenty percent of the class at Harvard Law and Harvard Medical School were Harvard College Undergrads.

It’s only 8-12% at HLS went to Harvard undergrad

Did you use Ai for that answer? For the last year that Harvard actually released number of Harvard undergrads at Harvard law (2023), it was 20 percent. Same is true for Harvard med.

I'm a HLS grad. It's 12% Same for medical school, generally, 20 out of 165 total, or about 12%

Obviously not Harvard. But someone who uses AI. The AI numbers are wrong because they only reflect Harvard undergrads who go directly to HLS or HMS, but there is an equal or larger number who work or take grad school in between
Correct numbers for both groups about 40 for HMS and 80 to 100 for HLS.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

And your kid couldn’t have decided this before applying to the ivy? Just weird…

I still can't believe op's kid could have gone to H/Y/P and instead is getting a Florida degree. Just a complete waste.

I think I raised him well enough to be able to make his own decisions in life. His reasoning is that if he has what it takes to get accepted into HYP, then he can also succeed at UF. He may fail at UF, and he may also fail at HYP. At least if he fails at UF, he’ll still have several million dollars in the bank, versus nothing at HYP.

FWIW, he already wears a T-shirt that says, “I turned down HYP to attend the Gators for several million dollars.”

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

And your kid couldn’t have decided this before applying to the ivy? Just weird…

I still can't believe op's kid could have gone to H/Y/P and instead is getting a Florida degree. Just a complete waste.

I think I raised him well enough to be able to make his own decisions in life. His reasoning is that if he has what it takes to get accepted into HYP, then he can also succeed at UF. He may fail at UF, and he may also fail at HYP. At least if he fails at UF, he’ll still have several million dollars in the bank, versus nothing at HYP.

FWIW, he already wears a T-shirt that says, “I turned down HYP to attend the Gators for several million dollars.”

Smart kid because the AI job decline is real and HYP won't matter.

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Ivy, Ivy+ all worth full pay.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy, Ivy+ all worth full pay.

What’s your net worth? How much are you in line to inherit?

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got accepted to one of the Ivies—think Princeton, Yale, or Harvard—but we would have had to pay the full cost, around $100K per year. He also got accepted to University of Florida with a full ride (tuition plus room and board).

We told him that he could attend UF and have $400K+ (depending on investment growth) waiting for him at graduation, or he could attend the Ivy. Seven years earlier, one of his older brothers had been in the exact same situation and chose to attend an Ivy League school, which he later regretted. His $300K could have grown into several million dollars. We’re not wealthy, so while money isn’t everything, it’s important to be able to live a stress-free life.

My older DS advised his younger brother to take the $400K and attend UF, and he did. He’ll be a freshman at UF in a few months.

YMMV.

And your kid couldn’t have decided this before applying to the ivy? Just weird…

I still can't believe op's kid could have gone to H/Y/P and instead is getting a Florida degree. Just a complete waste.

I think I raised him well enough to be able to make his own decisions in life. His reasoning is that if he has what it takes to get accepted into HYP, then he can also succeed at UF. He may fail at UF, and he may also fail at HYP. At least if he fails at UF, he’ll still have several million dollars in the bank, versus nothing at HYP.

FWIW, he already wears a T-shirt that says, “I turned down HYP to attend the Gators for several million dollars.”

I understand that finances are importanr but Inwouldn’t want my kid to walk around wearing this obnoxious t-shirt.

As previously posted, the Ivies- and other elite schools have a higher caliber of students and more diverse networks and better resources. Some things can’t be easily quantified.