Who appeals to INDEPENDENTS for president right now?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an independent. I want to see a legit change candidate — but one whose idea of change involves a laser focus on what helps ordinary people.

I know people will flip but what you describe already exists and has proven themselves capable and moral... AOC.

She identifies as a democratic socialist, which is by definition progressive. I do not believe progressive approaches work because they are a reverse form of trumpism — a “I want what I want now so tear everything down for me to make it happen.” Incremental steps are needed to get long-term buy-in. Progressives hate that.

American progressives are to the left of European progressives on social and immigration issues. While they may be perceived as better than trump or even moderate Democrats on the international front, they are naive and therefore dangerous. Freedom is not free, so simply gutting the military is not a winning strategy. (Going to war like trump has done is also not winning.) Consider also how AOC handled questions about Venezuela and Taiwan. So nope, nope, nope on AOC.

-OP

lol you have no clue.

You think most independents want AOC? If so, you are the one who is clueless.

She is strongly anti Israel and wants billionaires to be held to account. That is what independents are looking for in a candidate. Look at Trump. He is far more naive and much more leftist with his tariffs, planned economy, taking equity shares in private companies, farm subsidies, oil subsidies, etc.

It is you who are clueless.

DP. I’m an independent and those are def NOT my top issues.

Restoration of American institutions and rule of law #1.

Marginalizing the extreme left and extreme right #2.

DP
In trying to marginalize the left and right, people only end up inadvertently end up amplifying them. Key example: trans issues.

This.

Also, AOC pulled in a LOT of MAGA. She is what a lot of people want >> the billionaires to stop screwing all of us.

Bernie and AOC got some pretty big draws doing events in deep red parts of the country. Economic populism resonates.

Good luck with that.

Good luck with your continued shilling for a foreign country.

Good luck with your one issue obsession and crusade. You are beyond tiresome.

You think it’s just me who is obsessed and doesn’t want to see our politics taken over by a foreign country? Trillions spent on their wars while we can’t provide for our own? You went way too far by taking down pro Palestine candidates. Your cause is over. Move on.

You are part of a small minority. 28% of voters view Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a top issue (abs some portion of that 28% is pro-Israel).

So <20% are on your side and prioritize this.

By comparison, 84% prioritize COL, 75% democracy, 75% healthcare.

You’re a fringe player for a fringe cause.

Look we can agree to disagree but the issues are directly related.

Col - a concern and people can wonder why health care and other social programs arent funded why we spend billions trillions to others.

Democracy. Same issue. We are sending billions to a theocracy that we also let meddle in our politics.

Healthcare- same as Col.

Granted that the Iran war has impacted the economy.

But once that’s resolved? There’s essentially no relationship between COL, healthcare, etc. and Israel.

You certainly have a point re: $$$ and effect on democracy, but AIPAC is a small subset of the much larger problem.

I get that you are trying to center this issue, but I don’t find your efforts to connect Israel to the issues that Americans actually care about particularly convincing.

Umm, we've spent more than 20 trillion just to fight Israel's wars not to mention countless lives. That's not a trivial amount and now Israel is talking about how Turkey is the next Iran.

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A person with character…..? Intelligence? Curiosity? Kindness? A willingness to learn? Balanced temperament? Calm demeanor under pressure? A focus on unity?

Not petty?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an independent. I want to see a legit change candidate — but one whose idea of change involves a laser focus on what helps ordinary people.

I know people will flip but what you describe already exists and has proven themselves capable and moral... AOC.

She identifies as a democratic socialist, which is by definition progressive. I do not believe progressive approaches work because they are a reverse form of trumpism — a “I want what I want now so tear everything down for me to make it happen.” Incremental steps are needed to get long-term buy-in. Progressives hate that.

American progressives are to the left of European progressives on social and immigration issues. While they may be perceived as better than trump or even moderate Democrats on the international front, they are naive and therefore dangerous. Freedom is not free, so simply gutting the military is not a winning strategy. (Going to war like trump has done is also not winning.) Consider also how AOC handled questions about Venezuela and Taiwan. So nope, nope, nope on AOC.

-OP

lol you have no clue.

You think most independents want AOC? If so, you are the one who is clueless.

She is strongly anti Israel and wants billionaires to be held to account. That is what independents are looking for in a candidate. Look at Trump. He is far more naive and much more leftist with his tariffs, planned economy, taking equity shares in private companies, farm subsidies, oil subsidies, etc.

It is you who are clueless.

DP. I’m an independent and those are def NOT my top issues.

Restoration of American institutions and rule of law #1.

Marginalizing the extreme left and extreme right #2.

DP
In trying to marginalize the left and right, people only end up inadvertently end up amplifying them. Key example: trans issues.

This.

Also, AOC pulled in a LOT of MAGA. She is what a lot of people want >> the billionaires to stop screwing all of us.

Bernie and AOC got some pretty big draws doing events in deep red parts of the country. Economic populism resonates.

Good luck with that.

Good luck with your continued shilling for a foreign country.

Good luck with your one issue obsession and crusade. You are beyond tiresome.

You think it’s just me who is obsessed and doesn’t want to see our politics taken over by a foreign country? Trillions spent on their wars while we can’t provide for our own? You went way too far by taking down pro Palestine candidates. Your cause is over. Move on.

Sorry, what? How is a pro-Palestine candidate any different than a pro-Israel candidate? Both are advocating for the governments of a foreign country/entity/territory. You need to take a good look in the mirror and take your own advice - move on.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an independent. I want to see a legit change candidate — but one whose idea of change involves a laser focus on what helps ordinary people.

I know people will flip but what you describe already exists and has proven themselves capable and moral... AOC.

She identifies as a democratic socialist, which is by definition progressive. I do not believe progressive approaches work because they are a reverse form of trumpism — a “I want what I want now so tear everything down for me to make it happen.” Incremental steps are needed to get long-term buy-in. Progressives hate that.

American progressives are to the left of European progressives on social and immigration issues. While they may be perceived as better than trump or even moderate Democrats on the international front, they are naive and therefore dangerous. Freedom is not free, so simply gutting the military is not a winning strategy. (Going to war like trump has done is also not winning.) Consider also how AOC handled questions about Venezuela and Taiwan. So nope, nope, nope on AOC.

-OP

lol you have no clue.

You think most independents want AOC? If so, you are the one who is clueless.

She is strongly anti Israel and wants billionaires to be held to account. That is what independents are looking for in a candidate. Look at Trump. He is far more naive and much more leftist with his tariffs, planned economy, taking equity shares in private companies, farm subsidies, oil subsidies, etc.

It is you who are clueless.

DP. I’m an independent and those are def NOT my top issues.

Restoration of American institutions and rule of law #1.

Marginalizing the extreme left and extreme right #2.

DP
In trying to marginalize the left and right, people only end up inadvertently end up amplifying them. Key example: trans issues.

This.

Also, AOC pulled in a LOT of MAGA. She is what a lot of people want >> the billionaires to stop screwing all of us.

Bernie and AOC got some pretty big draws doing events in deep red parts of the country. Economic populism resonates.

Good luck with that.

Good luck with your continued shilling for a foreign country.

Good luck with your one issue obsession and crusade. You are beyond tiresome.

You think it’s just me who is obsessed and doesn’t want to see our politics taken over by a foreign country? Trillions spent on their wars while we can’t provide for our own? You went way too far by taking down pro Palestine candidates. Your cause is over. Move on.

You are part of a small minority. 28% of voters view Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a top issue (abs some portion of that 28% is pro-Israel).

So <20% are on your side and prioritize this.

By comparison, 84% prioritize COL, 75% democracy, 75% healthcare.

You’re a fringe player for a fringe cause.

+ a million
The PP thinks she somehow speaks for the masses with her crusade. What a clown.

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Anonymous wrote:Graham Platner in Maine and Dan Osborn in Nebraska. I’m not talking about presidential candidates at all, these are Senate candidates, but they have the “vibe” that a lot of independents are going for. Blue collar, scruffy, white guys that appeal to labor and populist on economic issues.

You sure you want a guy with a Nazi tattoo?

A guy that admitted he made mistakes in the past and has a lived experience with war and recovery from trauma, and a man who immediately got the tattoo removed once he realized what it symbolized? Sure.

DP. Somehow, I highly doubt you'd be as understanding if he was running as a Republican.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an independent. I want to see a legit change candidate — but one whose idea of change involves a laser focus on what helps ordinary people.

I know people will flip but what you describe already exists and has proven themselves capable and moral... AOC.

She identifies as a democratic socialist, which is by definition progressive. I do not believe progressive approaches work because they are a reverse form of trumpism — a “I want what I want now so tear everything down for me to make it happen.” Incremental steps are needed to get long-term buy-in. Progressives hate that.

American progressives are to the left of European progressives on social and immigration issues. While they may be perceived as better than trump or even moderate Democrats on the international front, they are naive and therefore dangerous. Freedom is not free, so simply gutting the military is not a winning strategy. (Going to war like trump has done is also not winning.) Consider also how AOC handled questions about Venezuela and Taiwan. So nope, nope, nope on AOC.

-OP

lol you have no clue.

You think most independents want AOC? If so, you are the one who is clueless.

She is strongly anti Israel and wants billionaires to be held to account. That is what independents are looking for in a candidate. Look at Trump. He is far more naive and much more leftist with his tariffs, planned economy, taking equity shares in private companies, farm subsidies, oil subsidies, etc.

It is you who are clueless.

People are concerned about other baggage democratic socialists come with. Also, simply being anti-Israel and saying you want billionaires to pay their share (whatever vague concept this is), isn't going to be enough. You need concrete plan on helping solve socio-economic issues in this country while also smoothing the divide between the masses along radical party line politics.

These are not vague concepts and AOC has proven that she can work with others.

She is also very charismatic. And young. And real.

Best of luck plugging AOC. She is the very antithesis of a moderate.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Graham Platner in Maine and Dan Osborn in Nebraska. I’m not talking about presidential candidates at all, these are Senate candidates, but they have the “vibe” that a lot of independents are going for. Blue collar, scruffy, white guys that appeal to labor and populist on economic issues.

You sure you want a guy with a Nazi tattoo?

A guy that admitted he made mistakes in the past and has a lived experience with war and recovery from trauma, and a man who immediately got the tattoo removed once he realized what it symbolized? Sure.

Cool. Now apply this logic to Justice Kavanaugh or any number of Republicans that have been pilloried for things they did and said decades ago that you jumped all over. And I'm a Democrat, by the way.

THIS x a trillion. Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:A person with character…..? Intelligence? Curiosity? Kindness? A willingness to learn? Balanced temperament? Calm demeanor under pressure? A focus on unity?

Not petty?

Yes. But politics doesn't attract normal people these days. I am very occasionally around Members of Congress. It's a freak show. They are not like normal people. I can only imagine the depths of narcissism and sociopathy to get people like this to run for president. They are already not quite right in the head. We would do better just picking out a random human being from the garage or the accounting department. Politicians in 2026 are... peculiar.

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Anonymous wrote:A person with character…..? Intelligence? Curiosity? Kindness? A willingness to learn? Balanced temperament? Calm demeanor under pressure? A focus on unity?

Not petty?

Yes. But politics doesn't attract normal people these days. I am very occasionally around Members of Congress. It's a freak show. They are not like normal people. I can only imagine the depths of narcissism and sociopathy to get people like this to run for president. They are already not quite right in the head. We would do better just picking out a random human being from the garage or the accounting department. Politicians in 2026 are... peculiar.

+1000

In order to be prominent politician on the national level in today's political climate, one must first agree to sell their soul and integrity to the wealthy folks in control of our major political parties. What normal person who is a member of our best and brightest wants to sell their integrity to be a politician when those same folks can make much more in the private sector without being puppets to sleaze and slime?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an independent. I want to see a legit change candidate — but one whose idea of change involves a laser focus on what helps ordinary people.

I know people will flip but what you describe already exists and has proven themselves capable and moral... AOC.

She identifies as a democratic socialist, which is by definition progressive. I do not believe progressive approaches work because they are a reverse form of trumpism — a “I want what I want now so tear everything down for me to make it happen.” Incremental steps are needed to get long-term buy-in. Progressives hate that.

American progressives are to the left of European progressives on social and immigration issues. While they may be perceived as better than trump or even moderate Democrats on the international front, they are naive and therefore dangerous. Freedom is not free, so simply gutting the military is not a winning strategy. (Going to war like trump has done is also not winning.) Consider also how AOC handled questions about Venezuela and Taiwan. So nope, nope, nope on AOC.

-OP

lol you have no clue.

You think most independents want AOC? If so, you are the one who is clueless.

She is strongly anti Israel and wants billionaires to be held to account. That is what independents are looking for in a candidate. Look at Trump. He is far more naive and much more leftist with his tariffs, planned economy, taking equity shares in private companies, farm subsidies, oil subsidies, etc.

It is you who are clueless.

DP. I’m an independent and those are def NOT my top issues.

Restoration of American institutions and rule of law #1.

Marginalizing the extreme left and extreme right #2.

DP
In trying to marginalize the left and right, people only end up inadvertently end up amplifying them. Key example: trans issues.

This.

Also, AOC pulled in a LOT of MAGA. She is what a lot of people want >> the billionaires to stop screwing all of us.

Bernie and AOC got some pretty big draws doing events in deep red parts of the country. Economic populism resonates.

Good luck with that.

Good luck with your continued shilling for a foreign country.

Good luck with your one issue obsession and crusade. You are beyond tiresome.

You think it’s just me who is obsessed and doesn’t want to see our politics taken over by a foreign country? Trillions spent on their wars while we can’t provide for our own? You went way too far by taking down pro Palestine candidates. Your cause is over. Move on.

Sorry, what? How is a pro-Palestine candidate any different than a pro-Israel candidate? Both are advocating for the governments of a foreign country/entity/territory. You need to take a good look in the mirror and take your own advice - move on.

Hmm it’s pretty obvious how different it is. Jamaal Bowmans pro P position was to call for a cease fire. That is what caused your nasty org to step in and try to destroy him with one or the most expensive campaigns.

It was also a threat, as you very well know.

And no, no one who sees this is a clown. You can troll all you want but it’s over.

How you sleep at night is beyond me. Pure evil.

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Anonymous wrote:A person with character…..? Intelligence? Curiosity? Kindness? A willingness to learn? Balanced temperament? Calm demeanor under pressure? A focus on unity?

Not petty?

Yes. But politics doesn't attract normal people these days. I am very occasionally around Members of Congress. It's a freak show. They are not like normal people. I can only imagine the depths of narcissism and sociopathy to get people like this to run for president. They are already not quite right in the head. We would do better just picking out a random human being from the garage or the accounting department. Politicians in 2026 are... peculiar.

Dp.

How is it a freak show?

I believe many/most leaders have some elevated level of narcissistic pathology, including the leaders we like. I see it in the private sector too. It’s weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Graham Platner in Maine and Dan Osborn in Nebraska. I’m not talking about presidential candidates at all, these are Senate candidates, but they have the “vibe” that a lot of independents are going for. Blue collar, scruffy, white guys that appeal to labor and populist on economic issues.

You sure you want a guy with a Nazi tattoo?

+1
And to match his tattoo…

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an independent. I want to see a legit change candidate — but one whose idea of change involves a laser focus on what helps ordinary people.

I know people will flip but what you describe already exists and has proven themselves capable and moral... AOC.

She identifies as a democratic socialist, which is by definition progressive. I do not believe progressive approaches work because they are a reverse form of trumpism — a “I want what I want now so tear everything down for me to make it happen.” Incremental steps are needed to get long-term buy-in. Progressives hate that.

American progressives are to the left of European progressives on social and immigration issues. While they may be perceived as better than trump or even moderate Democrats on the international front, they are naive and therefore dangerous. Freedom is not free, so simply gutting the military is not a winning strategy. (Going to war like trump has done is also not winning.) Consider also how AOC handled questions about Venezuela and Taiwan. So nope, nope, nope on AOC.

-OP

lol you have no clue.

You think most independents want AOC? If so, you are the one who is clueless.

She is strongly anti Israel and wants billionaires to be held to account. That is what independents are looking for in a candidate. Look at Trump. He is far more naive and much more leftist with his tariffs, planned economy, taking equity shares in private companies, farm subsidies, oil subsidies, etc.

It is you who are clueless.

DP. I’m an independent and those are def NOT my top issues.

Restoration of American institutions and rule of law #1.

Marginalizing the extreme left and extreme right #2.

DP
In trying to marginalize the left and right, people only end up inadvertently end up amplifying them. Key example: trans issues.

This.

Also, AOC pulled in a LOT of MAGA. She is what a lot of people want >> the billionaires to stop screwing all of us.

Bernie and AOC got some pretty big draws doing events in deep red parts of the country. Economic populism resonates.

Good luck with that.

Good luck with your continued shilling for a foreign country.

Good luck with your one issue obsession and crusade. You are beyond tiresome.

You think it’s just me who is obsessed and doesn’t want to see our politics taken over by a foreign country? Trillions spent on their wars while we can’t provide for our own? You went way too far by taking down pro Palestine candidates. Your cause is over. Move on.

Sorry, what? How is a pro-Palestine candidate any different than a pro-Israel candidate? Both are advocating for the governments of a foreign country/entity/territory. You need to take a good look in the mirror and take your own advice - move on.

Hmm it’s pretty obvious how different it is. Jamaal Bowmans pro P position was to call for a cease fire. That is what caused your nasty org to step in and try to destroy him with one or the most expensive campaigns.

It was also a threat, as you very well know.

And no, no one who sees this is a clown. You can troll all you want but it’s over.

How you sleep at night is beyond me. Pure evil.

“My nasty org”? Lady, you have no idea what my beliefs are. Take your sickening obsession with all things Israeli and get help. You desperately need it. You ruin every thread you post on with your vile toxicity.

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Beshar of Ky
Rubio
Kennedy from Louisiana
Shapiro from Penn (but he’s a Jew that served in Israel’s army decades ago so… doubt he’ll win)

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Anonymous wrote:Graham Platner in Maine and Dan Osborn in Nebraska. I’m not talking about presidential candidates at all, these are Senate candidates, but they have the “vibe” that a lot of independents are going for. Blue collar, scruffy, white guys that appeal to labor and populist on economic issues.

You sure you want a guy with a Nazi tattoo?

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And to match his tattoo…

Oh please. This type of propaganda is becoming less effective every time you try to smear someone who is a good person.

This is also why we can’t have nice things.