Teacher workdays/school planning are ridiculous!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m of two thoughts:

Yes, the calendar is too disjointed and it needs to be fixed.

But teachers need work days. If we want teachers to stay in the profession, they need to be granted time during the work week (even just occasionally) to get their work done. It shouldn’t be the expectation that nights and weekends belong to their jobs, too.

I have a demanding job. It has me on calls for a good portion of the day. This means I have to work outside of work hours to get my work done.

Teachers need to also use their time more efficiently. FCPS ES and MS have very little grading to do.

You sound ignorant. You don't have a clue what's asked of teachers. Also school isn't daycare figure out your parenting.

Shouldn’t you be grading some papers instead of arguing with parents on here? Since you’re so overloaded and all?

I'm a DP, but I am also a teacher.

Let's be honest: if you don't teach, you ARE ignorant of the demands of teaching. That's not an insult. Ignorance is literally defined as lacking knowledge or awareness about a particular subject. Therefore, if you haven't taught you DON'T actually know what is demanded of teachers. And again: that's not an insult.

But is IS insulting when you come here and belittle a job you know little about.

So when teachers try to explain to you why we need planning time, this is an opportunity for you to learn about something you're unfamiliar with. Unfortunately, posters on this site label comments from teachers as "complaining" or "arguing" when it's simply "explaining." I see it all the time. It's why teachers become defensive, because their words are misconstrued and dismissed at almost every turn by people who are ignorant. (Again: not an insult.)

So, I'll take your advice and go grade papers. That's far more productive than posting here considering these trends.

I am not going to out myself on here, but rest assured, I know the demands of your job because I used to live in a household with a teacher and my own job carries some of the same demands. I also know the demands of other people’s jobs where they are under tremendous pressure to show consistently excellent performance or they will be fired. Being a great teacher is really hard. It’s a thankless job and you have to bring a lot of work home with you if you’re doing it right. But it’s also true that it comes with a lot of job security. Mediocre and lazy teachers can sit in their jobs for years and the worst thing that happens to them is they get moved to a different school. Right now there are a lot of parents who feel like they are barely hanging onto their jobs and this calendar is really not helping.

The majority of those parents get paid considerably more than teachers. Enough with the false equivalence. Hire a f—king babysitter.

I'd prefer better pay for teachers, particuarly when FCPS salaries are compared to surrounding jurisdictions but....

Teacher pay is for a less than full year so its not an apples to apples comparasion. Scale it for an equivlent amount of time and the ~60k starting salary in FCPS jumps much closer to entry level engineering pay.

Nope. That’s not how salaries work.

(Also, I made that as an entry level engineer in the area over 20 GD years ago. It’s laughable to defend these miserly salaries for professionals in one of the wealthiest areas of the country.)

You are paid based off a set of contracted hours for 195 days which occur over a 10 month period. Yes, you are salaried, and yes you have had the option in prior years to be paid 10 months or 12 months out of the year. You are not however working the same number of days per year as a full time employee in most other professions given both the 2 months off for summer + 30 holidays this year (not including 14 sick with 6 as regular leave days) which accounts for some of the pay differential unless you are on the 260 day scale.

A starting salary of 61k with a BS.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/fy26-teacher-195-day.pdf

If other professional jobs have 260 days worked (including 10 federal holidays so a 260 day calendar), then we can scale a starting engineering salary of 72k by 75%(195/260) and we get 54k. Meaning that starting teacher pay is inline with starting engineering pay for an equivlent number of days worked and in fact higher.

Now if we look at FCPS teacher pay for260 days its actually lines up nearly to starting engineering pay at 74.4k.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/fy26-teacher-260-day.pdf

Teaching is a generously compensated part-time job. Teachers who want to feel like they are “equal“ in some way to other professionals, rarely think that they should work the same hours and time as those other professions.

So many teachers would not last a month in a high pressure client/customer facing environment. Whining and negativity about your workload are not tolerated.

Are you sure? I work at a “high-pressure environment” and people complain all the time. It a form of stress release.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m of two thoughts:

Yes, the calendar is too disjointed and it needs to be fixed.

But teachers need work days. If we want teachers to stay in the profession, they need to be granted time during the work week (even just occasionally) to get their work done. It shouldn’t be the expectation that nights and weekends belong to their jobs, too.

I have a demanding job. It has me on calls for a good portion of the day. This means I have to work outside of work hours to get my work done.

Teachers need to also use their time more efficiently. FCPS ES and MS have very little grading to do.

Do you give the equivalent of 28 hours of presentations a week? Are you directly responsible for how those presentations are received? Do you need to collect constant feedback, comment on it, analyze it, and record it? Daily?

Do you have 140 stakeholders you need to individually check in on every single day? Add an additional 140 for their supervisors (parents), who also email and expect prompt feedback?

Oh… and do you receive about 4 hours of work time a week to evaluate the feedback, some of which is extensive and written? And let’s not forget you need to prepare for the 28 hours of presentations (creating slides, deliverables, etc.).

It’s a bit more than “calls for a good portion of the day.”

Bravo!

And do the clients on the calls have behavioral problems, intersocial problems, inattentiveness, or other issues that you have to handle and that directly affect your job? Do you, like middle school teachers, have to deal simultaneously with dozens of individuals who are in the grip of hormonal turmoil? Do you have to stand all day on your calls, or are you able to sit?

Do you support the teachers in your children’s lives or are you one of these types of parents who has a consumer mentality and is critical and undermining of those teachers?

Teachers get up at the crack of ass, they have to be “on” all day in front of a room of kids while trying to teach them, and then they have to lesson plan and grade work and do all the administrative stuff in the evening. Most work at least some on weekends.

Teaching is NOT an easy job. Teachers aren’t supported enough by parents.

Oh my gosh feel sad for teachers they have to wake up early!

Its what the money is for. Nothing about the job is a secret. Sanitation workers are up early, do a truly vital job, make less than teachers (entry level $31,500) deal with *literal garbage* and aren’t endlessly moaning about their lack of support and demanding more days off to cope.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m of two thoughts:

Yes, the calendar is too disjointed and it needs to be fixed.

But teachers need work days. If we want teachers to stay in the profession, they need to be granted time during the work week (even just occasionally) to get their work done. It shouldn’t be the expectation that nights and weekends belong to their jobs, too.

I have a demanding job. It has me on calls for a good portion of the day. This means I have to work outside of work hours to get my work done.

Teachers need to also use their time more efficiently. FCPS ES and MS have very little grading to do.

You sound ignorant. You don't have a clue what's asked of teachers. Also school isn't daycare figure out your parenting.

Shouldn’t you be grading some papers instead of arguing with parents on here? Since you’re so overloaded and all?

I'm a DP, but I am also a teacher.

Let's be honest: if you don't teach, you ARE ignorant of the demands of teaching. That's not an insult. Ignorance is literally defined as lacking knowledge or awareness about a particular subject. Therefore, if you haven't taught you DON'T actually know what is demanded of teachers. And again: that's not an insult.

But is IS insulting when you come here and belittle a job you know little about.

So when teachers try to explain to you why we need planning time, this is an opportunity for you to learn about something you're unfamiliar with. Unfortunately, posters on this site label comments from teachers as "complaining" or "arguing" when it's simply "explaining." I see it all the time. It's why teachers become defensive, because their words are misconstrued and dismissed at almost every turn by people who are ignorant. (Again: not an insult.)

So, I'll take your advice and go grade papers. That's far more productive than posting here considering these trends.

I am not going to out myself on here, but rest assured, I know the demands of your job because I used to live in a household with a teacher and my own job carries some of the same demands. I also know the demands of other people’s jobs where they are under tremendous pressure to show consistently excellent performance or they will be fired. Being a great teacher is really hard. It’s a thankless job and you have to bring a lot of work home with you if you’re doing it right. But it’s also true that it comes with a lot of job security. Mediocre and lazy teachers can sit in their jobs for years and the worst thing that happens to them is they get moved to a different school. Right now there are a lot of parents who feel like they are barely hanging onto their jobs and this calendar is really not helping.

The majority of those parents get paid considerably more than teachers. Enough with the false equivalence. Hire a f—king babysitter.

You don’t by any chance teach math?

Look at the FARMS eligibility in FCPS. No, the majority doesn’t make “considerably more” than teachers or their kids wouldn’t be getting free meals.

Sorry, dummy, I should have clarified: the majority of the “professionals with demanding jobs” who b—ch and moan about teachers on DCUM are paid considerably more than that.

The majority of folks who aren’t paid as much as teachers are certainly not working at jobs where they’re expected to be on calls all day and then take work home with them. Don’t be absurd.

Plenty of people making less than teachers are bringing work home, interacting with customers all day, and not on DCUM sniveling about the unfairness of doing the job they signed up for.

Examples, please. We’ll wait.

Social workers.
Healthcare workers with charting responsibilities.

This really shows how much of a bubble you’re in if you think less well compensated jobs are somehow easier. You should go work in a group home for a couple years.

Social workers make about $80,000 a year, and nurse practitioners make a lot more than that

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Anonymous wrote:I’m of two thoughts:

Yes, the calendar is too disjointed and it needs to be fixed.

But teachers need work days. If we want teachers to stay in the profession, they need to be granted time during the work week (even just occasionally) to get their work done. It shouldn’t be the expectation that nights and weekends belong to their jobs, too.

I have a demanding job. It has me on calls for a good portion of the day. This means I have to work outside of work hours to get my work done.

Teachers need to also use their time more efficiently. FCPS ES and MS have very little grading to do.

You sound ignorant. You don't have a clue what's asked of teachers. Also school isn't daycare figure out your parenting.

Shouldn’t you be grading some papers instead of arguing with parents on here? Since you’re so overloaded and all?

I'm a DP, but I am also a teacher.

Let's be honest: if you don't teach, you ARE ignorant of the demands of teaching. That's not an insult. Ignorance is literally defined as lacking knowledge or awareness about a particular subject. Therefore, if you haven't taught you DON'T actually know what is demanded of teachers. And again: that's not an insult.

But is IS insulting when you come here and belittle a job you know little about.

So when teachers try to explain to you why we need planning time, this is an opportunity for you to learn about something you're unfamiliar with. Unfortunately, posters on this site label comments from teachers as "complaining" or "arguing" when it's simply "explaining." I see it all the time. It's why teachers become defensive, because their words are misconstrued and dismissed at almost every turn by people who are ignorant. (Again: not an insult.)

So, I'll take your advice and go grade papers. That's far more productive than posting here considering these trends.

I am not going to out myself on here, but rest assured, I know the demands of your job because I used to live in a household with a teacher and my own job carries some of the same demands. I also know the demands of other people’s jobs where they are under tremendous pressure to show consistently excellent performance or they will be fired. Being a great teacher is really hard. It’s a thankless job and you have to bring a lot of work home with you if you’re doing it right. But it’s also true that it comes with a lot of job security. Mediocre and lazy teachers can sit in their jobs for years and the worst thing that happens to them is they get moved to a different school. Right now there are a lot of parents who feel like they are barely hanging onto their jobs and this calendar is really not helping.

The majority of those parents get paid considerably more than teachers. Enough with the false equivalence. Hire a f—king babysitter.

I'd prefer better pay for teachers, particuarly when FCPS salaries are compared to surrounding jurisdictions but....

Teacher pay is for a less than full year so its not an apples to apples comparasion. Scale it for an equivlent amount of time and the ~60k starting salary in FCPS jumps much closer to entry level engineering pay.

Nope. That’s not how salaries work.

(Also, I made that as an entry level engineer in the area over 20 GD years ago. It’s laughable to defend these miserly salaries for professionals in one of the wealthiest areas of the country.)

You are paid based off a set of contracted hours for 195 days which occur over a 10 month period. Yes, you are salaried, and yes you have had the option in prior years to be paid 10 months or 12 months out of the year. You are not however working the same number of days per year as a full time employee in most other professions given both the 2 months off for summer + 30 holidays this year (not including 14 sick with 6 as regular leave days) which accounts for some of the pay differential unless you are on the 260 day scale.

A starting salary of 61k with a BS.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/fy26-teacher-195-day.pdf

If other professional jobs have 260 days worked (including 10 federal holidays so a 260 day calendar), then we can scale a starting engineering salary of 72k by 75%(195/260) and we get 54k. Meaning that starting teacher pay is inline with starting engineering pay for an equivlent number of days worked and in fact higher.

Now if we look at FCPS teacher pay for260 days its actually lines up nearly to starting engineering pay at 74.4k.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/fy26-teacher-260-day.pdf

Okay, your math is adorable, but teachers aren’t actually making that higher salary. So how does that help anyone?

FCPS parents need to get a grip. Teachers are overworked, in part because class sizes are too large and in part because kids’ behavior is out of control.

Imagine if parents and teachers actually worked together to improve the school district instead of constantly fighting online. And think about whose interests are served by the constant bickering.

- not a teacher; parent of a senior in FCPS and sophomore not in FCPS

Yes. As has been pointed out. The number of contract days and planned school days has not changed. There are 180 days planned. There are 15 days scheduled for TW/SD/SP. What has changed:

- The superintendent introduced additional planning time for elementary teachers by repurposing “excess” snow days.
- The superintendent placed TW/SP/SD that were traditionally held before the first day of school and after the last day of school during the school year.
- The superintendent chose to close schools for two special elections and changed them to TW.
- The superintendent determined that “exceeding the state’s requirement of 990 instructional hours” was sufficient and that there was no need to change the calendar after facing an above average number of closures and delays due to weather and special elections.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m of two thoughts:

Yes, the calendar is too disjointed and it needs to be fixed.

But teachers need work days. If we want teachers to stay in the profession, they need to be granted time during the work week (even just occasionally) to get their work done. It shouldn’t be the expectation that nights and weekends belong to their jobs, too.

I have a demanding job. It has me on calls for a good portion of the day. This means I have to work outside of work hours to get my work done.

Teachers need to also use their time more efficiently. FCPS ES and MS have very little grading to do.

You sound ignorant. You don't have a clue what's asked of teachers. Also school isn't daycare figure out your parenting.

Shouldn’t you be grading some papers instead of arguing with parents on here? Since you’re so overloaded and all?

I'm a DP, but I am also a teacher.

Let's be honest: if you don't teach, you ARE ignorant of the demands of teaching. That's not an insult. Ignorance is literally defined as lacking knowledge or awareness about a particular subject. Therefore, if you haven't taught you DON'T actually know what is demanded of teachers. And again: that's not an insult.

But is IS insulting when you come here and belittle a job you know little about.

So when teachers try to explain to you why we need planning time, this is an opportunity for you to learn about something you're unfamiliar with. Unfortunately, posters on this site label comments from teachers as "complaining" or "arguing" when it's simply "explaining." I see it all the time. It's why teachers become defensive, because their words are misconstrued and dismissed at almost every turn by people who are ignorant. (Again: not an insult.)

So, I'll take your advice and go grade papers. That's far more productive than posting here considering these trends.

I am not going to out myself on here, but rest assured, I know the demands of your job because I used to live in a household with a teacher and my own job carries some of the same demands. I also know the demands of other people’s jobs where they are under tremendous pressure to show consistently excellent performance or they will be fired. Being a great teacher is really hard. It’s a thankless job and you have to bring a lot of work home with you if you’re doing it right. But it’s also true that it comes with a lot of job security. Mediocre and lazy teachers can sit in their jobs for years and the worst thing that happens to them is they get moved to a different school. Right now there are a lot of parents who feel like they are barely hanging onto their jobs and this calendar is really not helping.

The majority of those parents get paid considerably more than teachers. Enough with the false equivalence. Hire a f—king babysitter.

You don’t by any chance teach math?

Look at the FARMS eligibility in FCPS. No, the majority doesn’t make “considerably more” than teachers or their kids wouldn’t be getting free meals.

Sorry, dummy, I should have clarified: the majority of the “professionals with demanding jobs” who b—ch and moan about teachers on DCUM are paid considerably more than that.

The majority of folks who aren’t paid as much as teachers are certainly not working at jobs where they’re expected to be on calls all day and then take work home with them. Don’t be absurd.

Plenty of people making less than teachers are bringing work home, interacting with customers all day, and not on DCUM sniveling about the unfairness of doing the job they signed up for.

Examples, please. We’ll wait.

Social workers.
Healthcare workers with charting responsibilities.

This really shows how much of a bubble you’re in if you think less well compensated jobs are somehow easier. You should go work in a group home for a couple years.

Social workers make about $80,000 a year, and nurse practitioners make a lot more than that

Social workers at senior levels can make $80,000 but as you say they work the whole year. Not ten months. Entry level they make much less.

A nurse practitioner makes more but isn’t remotely the only healthcare profession with charting duties. An entry level RN who also gets paid less than a teacher does too. Just not here whining all day.

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What kind of education/training do sanitation workers need? Minimal training. What education/training do teachers need? A lot. I student taught for an entire school year and still didn’t feel totally prepared for my own class. We are paid more because we pay for the education/training to teach.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of education/training do sanitation workers need? Minimal training. What education/training do teachers need? A lot. I student taught for an entire school year and still didn’t feel totally prepared for my own class. We are paid more because we pay for the education/training to teach.

You don’t go to more school than social workers, RNs, family case workers, etc. but those jobs don’t whine like you do. You also get paid a lot less than plumbers who don’t pay as much for their schooling as you so. Every job above is as or more vital than teaching but none of them write DCUM screeds demanding a sticker for waking up early.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m of two thoughts:

Yes, the calendar is too disjointed and it needs to be fixed.

But teachers need work days. If we want teachers to stay in the profession, they need to be granted time during the work week (even just occasionally) to get their work done. It shouldn’t be the expectation that nights and weekends belong to their jobs, too.

I have a demanding job. It has me on calls for a good portion of the day. This means I have to work outside of work hours to get my work done.

Teachers need to also use their time more efficiently. FCPS ES and MS have very little grading to do.

You sound ignorant. You don't have a clue what's asked of teachers. Also school isn't daycare figure out your parenting.

Shouldn’t you be grading some papers instead of arguing with parents on here? Since you’re so overloaded and all?

I'm a DP, but I am also a teacher.

Let's be honest: if you don't teach, you ARE ignorant of the demands of teaching. That's not an insult. Ignorance is literally defined as lacking knowledge or awareness about a particular subject. Therefore, if you haven't taught you DON'T actually know what is demanded of teachers. And again: that's not an insult.

But is IS insulting when you come here and belittle a job you know little about.

So when teachers try to explain to you why we need planning time, this is an opportunity for you to learn about something you're unfamiliar with. Unfortunately, posters on this site label comments from teachers as "complaining" or "arguing" when it's simply "explaining." I see it all the time. It's why teachers become defensive, because their words are misconstrued and dismissed at almost every turn by people who are ignorant. (Again: not an insult.)

So, I'll take your advice and go grade papers. That's far more productive than posting here considering these trends.

I am not going to out myself on here, but rest assured, I know the demands of your job because I used to live in a household with a teacher and my own job carries some of the same demands. I also know the demands of other people’s jobs where they are under tremendous pressure to show consistently excellent performance or they will be fired. Being a great teacher is really hard. It’s a thankless job and you have to bring a lot of work home with you if you’re doing it right. But it’s also true that it comes with a lot of job security. Mediocre and lazy teachers can sit in their jobs for years and the worst thing that happens to them is they get moved to a different school. Right now there are a lot of parents who feel like they are barely hanging onto their jobs and this calendar is really not helping.

The majority of those parents get paid considerably more than teachers. Enough with the false equivalence. Hire a f—king babysitter.

I'd prefer better pay for teachers, particuarly when FCPS salaries are compared to surrounding jurisdictions but....

Teacher pay is for a less than full year so its not an apples to apples comparasion. Scale it for an equivlent amount of time and the ~60k starting salary in FCPS jumps much closer to entry level engineering pay.

Nope. That’s not how salaries work.

(Also, I made that as an entry level engineer in the area over 20 GD years ago. It’s laughable to defend these miserly salaries for professionals in one of the wealthiest areas of the country.)

You are paid based off a set of contracted hours for 195 days which occur over a 10 month period. Yes, you are salaried, and yes you have had the option in prior years to be paid 10 months or 12 months out of the year. You are not however working the same number of days per year as a full time employee in most other professions given both the 2 months off for summer + 30 holidays this year (not including 14 sick with 6 as regular leave days) which accounts for some of the pay differential unless you are on the 260 day scale.

A starting salary of 61k with a BS.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/fy26-teacher-195-day.pdf

If other professional jobs have 260 days worked (including 10 federal holidays so a 260 day calendar), then we can scale a starting engineering salary of 72k by 75%(195/260) and we get 54k. Meaning that starting teacher pay is inline with starting engineering pay for an equivlent number of days worked and in fact higher.

Now if we look at FCPS teacher pay for260 days its actually lines up nearly to starting engineering pay at 74.4k.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/fy26-teacher-260-day.pdf

Okay, your math is adorable, but teachers aren’t actually making that higher salary. So how does that help anyone?

FCPS parents need to get a grip. Teachers are overworked, in part because class sizes are too large and in part because kids’ behavior is out of control.

Imagine if parents and teachers actually worked together to improve the school district instead of constantly fighting online. And think about whose interests are served by the constant bickering.

- not a teacher; parent of a senior in FCPS and sophomore not in FCPS

I think you have to look at in the eyes of hourly pay. Teachers could work all year and thus would make more money. Teachers earn more than me.

Well I have got some great news for you! There is a nationwide teacher shortage and it’s apparently an easy gig! Go make that paper, girl!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m of two thoughts:

Yes, the calendar is too disjointed and it needs to be fixed.

But teachers need work days. If we want teachers to stay in the profession, they need to be granted time during the work week (even just occasionally) to get their work done. It shouldn’t be the expectation that nights and weekends belong to their jobs, too.

I have a demanding job. It has me on calls for a good portion of the day. This means I have to work outside of work hours to get my work done.

Teachers need to also use their time more efficiently. FCPS ES and MS have very little grading to do.

You sound ignorant. You don't have a clue what's asked of teachers. Also school isn't daycare figure out your parenting.

Shouldn’t you be grading some papers instead of arguing with parents on here? Since you’re so overloaded and all?

I'm a DP, but I am also a teacher.

Let's be honest: if you don't teach, you ARE ignorant of the demands of teaching. That's not an insult. Ignorance is literally defined as lacking knowledge or awareness about a particular subject. Therefore, if you haven't taught you DON'T actually know what is demanded of teachers. And again: that's not an insult.

But is IS insulting when you come here and belittle a job you know little about.

So when teachers try to explain to you why we need planning time, this is an opportunity for you to learn about something you're unfamiliar with. Unfortunately, posters on this site label comments from teachers as "complaining" or "arguing" when it's simply "explaining." I see it all the time. It's why teachers become defensive, because their words are misconstrued and dismissed at almost every turn by people who are ignorant. (Again: not an insult.)

So, I'll take your advice and go grade papers. That's far more productive than posting here considering these trends.

I am not going to out myself on here, but rest assured, I know the demands of your job because I used to live in a household with a teacher and my own job carries some of the same demands. I also know the demands of other people’s jobs where they are under tremendous pressure to show consistently excellent performance or they will be fired. Being a great teacher is really hard. It’s a thankless job and you have to bring a lot of work home with you if you’re doing it right. But it’s also true that it comes with a lot of job security. Mediocre and lazy teachers can sit in their jobs for years and the worst thing that happens to them is they get moved to a different school. Right now there are a lot of parents who feel like they are barely hanging onto their jobs and this calendar is really not helping.

The majority of those parents get paid considerably more than teachers. Enough with the false equivalence. Hire a f—king babysitter.

You don’t by any chance teach math?

Look at the FARMS eligibility in FCPS. No, the majority doesn’t make “considerably more” than teachers or their kids wouldn’t be getting free meals.

Sorry, dummy, I should have clarified: the majority of the “professionals with demanding jobs” who b—ch and moan about teachers on DCUM are paid considerably more than that.

The majority of folks who aren’t paid as much as teachers are certainly not working at jobs where they’re expected to be on calls all day and then take work home with them. Don’t be absurd.

Plenty of people making less than teachers are bringing work home, interacting with customers all day, and not on DCUM sniveling about the unfairness of doing the job they signed up for.

Examples, please. We’ll wait.

Social workers.
Healthcare workers with charting responsibilities.

This really shows how much of a bubble you’re in if you think less well compensated jobs are somehow easier. You should go work in a group home for a couple years.

What are their salaries and how many hours are they working from home. Be specific, otherwise we’ll assume you’re talking out of your @$$.

Is your google broken? Fairfax entry level social work gets $60,300 for 12 months. Less than teachers. Casework at home is constant in social work. Go volunteer in a teens shelter and get some perspective.

And you know this because you… googled it?

Thanks for confirming you’re talking out of your @$$!

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of education/training do sanitation workers need? Minimal training. What education/training do teachers need? A lot. I student taught for an entire school year and still didn’t feel totally prepared for my own class. We are paid more because we pay for the education/training to teach.

You don’t go to more school than social workers, RNs, family case workers, etc. but those jobs don’t whine like you do. You also get paid a lot less than plumbers who don’t pay as much for their schooling as you so. Every job above is as or more vital than teaching but none of them write DCUM screeds demanding a sticker for waking up early.

The only whining on this thread is coming from entitled, wealthy parents like you. NOT teachers.

Send your snowflakes to private, homeschool, hire a tutor, or kindly STFU.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of education/training do sanitation workers need? Minimal training. What education/training do teachers need? A lot. I student taught for an entire school year and still didn’t feel totally prepared for my own class. We are paid more because we pay for the education/training to teach.

You don’t go to more school than social workers, RNs, family case workers, etc. but those jobs don’t whine like you do. You also get paid a lot less than plumbers who don’t pay as much for their schooling as you so. Every job above is as or more vital than teaching but none of them write DCUM screeds demanding a sticker for waking up early.

The only whining on this thread is coming from entitled, wealthy parents like you. NOT teachers.

Send your snowflakes to private, homeschool, hire a tutor, or kindly STFU.

Are you this vulgar because you had to wake up early?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m of two thoughts:

Yes, the calendar is too disjointed and it needs to be fixed.

But teachers need work days. If we want teachers to stay in the profession, they need to be granted time during the work week (even just occasionally) to get their work done. It shouldn’t be the expectation that nights and weekends belong to their jobs, too.

I have a demanding job. It has me on calls for a good portion of the day. This means I have to work outside of work hours to get my work done.

Teachers need to also use their time more efficiently. FCPS ES and MS have very little grading to do.

You sound ignorant. You don't have a clue what's asked of teachers. Also school isn't daycare figure out your parenting.

Shouldn’t you be grading some papers instead of arguing with parents on here? Since you’re so overloaded and all?

I'm a DP, but I am also a teacher.

Let's be honest: if you don't teach, you ARE ignorant of the demands of teaching. That's not an insult. Ignorance is literally defined as lacking knowledge or awareness about a particular subject. Therefore, if you haven't taught you DON'T actually know what is demanded of teachers. And again: that's not an insult.

But is IS insulting when you come here and belittle a job you know little about.

So when teachers try to explain to you why we need planning time, this is an opportunity for you to learn about something you're unfamiliar with. Unfortunately, posters on this site label comments from teachers as "complaining" or "arguing" when it's simply "explaining." I see it all the time. It's why teachers become defensive, because their words are misconstrued and dismissed at almost every turn by people who are ignorant. (Again: not an insult.)

So, I'll take your advice and go grade papers. That's far more productive than posting here considering these trends.

I am not going to out myself on here, but rest assured, I know the demands of your job because I used to live in a household with a teacher and my own job carries some of the same demands. I also know the demands of other people’s jobs where they are under tremendous pressure to show consistently excellent performance or they will be fired. Being a great teacher is really hard. It’s a thankless job and you have to bring a lot of work home with you if you’re doing it right. But it’s also true that it comes with a lot of job security. Mediocre and lazy teachers can sit in their jobs for years and the worst thing that happens to them is they get moved to a different school. Right now there are a lot of parents who feel like they are barely hanging onto their jobs and this calendar is really not helping.

The majority of those parents get paid considerably more than teachers. Enough with the false equivalence. Hire a f—king babysitter.

You don’t by any chance teach math?

Look at the FARMS eligibility in FCPS. No, the majority doesn’t make “considerably more” than teachers or their kids wouldn’t be getting free meals.

Sorry, dummy, I should have clarified: the majority of the “professionals with demanding jobs” who b—ch and moan about teachers on DCUM are paid considerably more than that.

The majority of folks who aren’t paid as much as teachers are certainly not working at jobs where they’re expected to be on calls all day and then take work home with them. Don’t be absurd.

Plenty of people making less than teachers are bringing work home, interacting with customers all day, and not on DCUM sniveling about the unfairness of doing the job they signed up for.

Examples, please. We’ll wait.

Social workers.
Healthcare workers with charting responsibilities.

This really shows how much of a bubble you’re in if you think less well compensated jobs are somehow easier. You should go work in a group home for a couple years.

What are their salaries and how many hours are they working from home. Be specific, otherwise we’ll assume you’re talking out of your @$$.

Is your google broken? Fairfax entry level social work gets $60,300 for 12 months. Less than teachers. Casework at home is constant in social work. Go volunteer in a teens shelter and get some perspective.

And you know this because you… googled it?

Thanks for confirming you’re talking out of your @$$!

I know it because my mother was an elder-care social worker. Who didn’t complain about her pay and hours because her job was serving the best interests of WWII veterans, even if that meant doing some work at home.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of education/training do sanitation workers need? Minimal training. What education/training do teachers need? A lot. I student taught for an entire school year and still didn’t feel totally prepared for my own class. We are paid more because we pay for the education/training to teach.

You don’t go to more school than social workers, RNs, family case workers, etc. but those jobs don’t whine like you do. You also get paid a lot less than plumbers who don’t pay as much for their schooling as you so. Every job above is as or more vital than teaching but none of them write DCUM screeds demanding a sticker for waking up early.

The only whining on this thread is coming from entitled, wealthy parents like you. NOT teachers.

Send your snowflakes to private, homeschool, hire a tutor, or kindly STFU.

“Teachers get up at the crack of ass, they have to be “on” all day in front of a room of kids while trying to teach them, and then they have to lesson plan and grade work and do all the administrative stuff in the evening. Most work at least some on weekends.”

Missed the siren for the whaaaa-mbulance I see

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Reading this thread just reconfirms our decision to avoid FCPS all together for private. And yes, they are almost always in school 5 days per week.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m of two thoughts:

Yes, the calendar is too disjointed and it needs to be fixed.

But teachers need work days. If we want teachers to stay in the profession, they need to be granted time during the work week (even just occasionally) to get their work done. It shouldn’t be the expectation that nights and weekends belong to their jobs, too.

I have a demanding job. It has me on calls for a good portion of the day. This means I have to work outside of work hours to get my work done.

Teachers need to also use their time more efficiently. FCPS ES and MS have very little grading to do.

You sound ignorant. You don't have a clue what's asked of teachers. Also school isn't daycare figure out your parenting.

Shouldn’t you be grading some papers instead of arguing with parents on here? Since you’re so overloaded and all?

I'm a DP, but I am also a teacher.

Let's be honest: if you don't teach, you ARE ignorant of the demands of teaching. That's not an insult. Ignorance is literally defined as lacking knowledge or awareness about a particular subject. Therefore, if you haven't taught you DON'T actually know what is demanded of teachers. And again: that's not an insult.

But is IS insulting when you come here and belittle a job you know little about.

So when teachers try to explain to you why we need planning time, this is an opportunity for you to learn about something you're unfamiliar with. Unfortunately, posters on this site label comments from teachers as "complaining" or "arguing" when it's simply "explaining." I see it all the time. It's why teachers become defensive, because their words are misconstrued and dismissed at almost every turn by people who are ignorant. (Again: not an insult.)

So, I'll take your advice and go grade papers. That's far more productive than posting here considering these trends.

I am not going to out myself on here, but rest assured, I know the demands of your job because I used to live in a household with a teacher and my own job carries some of the same demands. I also know the demands of other people’s jobs where they are under tremendous pressure to show consistently excellent performance or they will be fired. Being a great teacher is really hard. It’s a thankless job and you have to bring a lot of work home with you if you’re doing it right. But it’s also true that it comes with a lot of job security. Mediocre and lazy teachers can sit in their jobs for years and the worst thing that happens to them is they get moved to a different school. Right now there are a lot of parents who feel like they are barely hanging onto their jobs and this calendar is really not helping.

The majority of those parents get paid considerably more than teachers. Enough with the false equivalence. Hire a f—king babysitter.

I'd prefer better pay for teachers, particuarly when FCPS salaries are compared to surrounding jurisdictions but....

Teacher pay is for a less than full year so its not an apples to apples comparasion. Scale it for an equivlent amount of time and the ~60k starting salary in FCPS jumps much closer to entry level engineering pay.

Nope. That’s not how salaries work.

(Also, I made that as an entry level engineer in the area over 20 GD years ago. It’s laughable to defend these miserly salaries for professionals in one of the wealthiest areas of the country.)

You are paid based off a set of contracted hours for 195 days which occur over a 10 month period. Yes, you are salaried, and yes you have had the option in prior years to be paid 10 months or 12 months out of the year. You are not however working the same number of days per year as a full time employee in most other professions given both the 2 months off for summer + 30 holidays this year (not including 14 sick with 6 as regular leave days) which accounts for some of the pay differential unless you are on the 260 day scale.

A starting salary of 61k with a BS.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/fy26-teacher-195-day.pdf

If other professional jobs have 260 days worked (including 10 federal holidays so a 260 day calendar), then we can scale a starting engineering salary of 72k by 75%(195/260) and we get 54k. Meaning that starting teacher pay is inline with starting engineering pay for an equivlent number of days worked and in fact higher.

Now if we look at FCPS teacher pay for260 days its actually lines up nearly to starting engineering pay at 74.4k.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/fy26-teacher-260-day.pdf

You sound like one of those easy marks at clothing stores. “If you spend an extra $15 today you get a coupon for $30 six months from now, so you’re really SAVING $15!”

Since you’re obtuse: pretend money that COULD have been earned were the job and salary structure entirely different from what it is doesn’t pay the mortgage or put food on the table.

I showed you two different pay scales, both of which worked out to be essentially the same wage for an equivlent time.

of course if you take into account the 30 holidays, then teachers come out ahead.

Are you complaining about getting paid a monthly salary when you're not working or is there something else? If its that the extra 20 holidays alone puts you ahead of entry level engineers in terms of pay and benefits.

It’s nice of these entry level engineers to take your hypothetical positions that seem to offer no PTO and a below average salary. Entry level engineers are making $90-100k average in the DC area and receiving 3 weeks PTO plus some number of holidays. Teachers might edge them out with a few extra days off, but you’re not making the point you think you are. Especially when a mid career engineer will be pulling in $200k+ while a mid career FCPS teacher with a PhD will cap out around $100k.

I am speaking as an engineer.

We pay 75k for entry level engineers, or 3k above the indeed.com average.