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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m of two thoughts:

Yes, the calendar is too disjointed and it needs to be fixed.

But teachers need work days. If we want teachers to stay in the profession, they need to be granted time during the work week (even just occasionally) to get their work done. It shouldn’t be the expectation that nights and weekends belong to their jobs, too. [/quote]

I have a demanding job. It has me on calls for a good portion of the day. This means I have to work outside of work hours to get my work done.

Teachers need to also use their time more efficiently. FCPS ES and MS have very little grading to do. [/quote]

You sound ignorant. You don't have a clue what's asked of teachers. Also school isn't daycare figure out your parenting.[/quote]

Shouldn’t you be grading some papers instead of arguing with parents on here? Since you’re so overloaded and all?[/quote]

I'm a DP, but I am also a teacher.

Let's be honest: if you don't teach, you ARE ignorant of the demands of teaching. That's not an insult. Ignorance is literally defined as lacking knowledge or awareness about a particular subject. Therefore, if you haven't taught you DON'T actually know what is demanded of teachers. And again: that's not an insult.

But is IS insulting when you come here and belittle a job you know little about.

So when teachers try to explain to you why we need planning time, this is an opportunity for you to learn about something you're unfamiliar with. Unfortunately, posters on this site label comments from teachers as "complaining" or "arguing" when it's simply "explaining." I see it all the time. It's why teachers become defensive, because their words are misconstrued and dismissed at almost every turn by people who are ignorant. (Again: not an insult.)

So, I'll take your advice and go grade papers. That's far more productive than posting here considering these trends.[/quote]

I am not going to out myself on here, but rest assured, I know the demands of your job because I used to live in a household with a teacher and my own job carries some of the same demands. I also know the demands of other people’s jobs where they are under tremendous pressure to show consistently excellent performance or they will be fired. Being a great teacher is really hard. It’s a thankless job and you have to bring a lot of work home with you if you’re doing it right. But it’s also true that it comes with a lot of job security. Mediocre and lazy teachers can sit in their jobs for years and the worst thing that happens to them is they get moved to a different school. Right now there are a lot of parents who feel like they are barely hanging onto their jobs and this calendar is really not helping.[/quote]

The majority of those parents get paid considerably more than teachers. Enough with the false equivalence. Hire a f—king babysitter.[/quote]

I'd prefer better pay for teachers, particuarly when FCPS salaries are compared to surrounding jurisdictions but....

Teacher pay is for a less than full year so its not an apples to apples comparasion. Scale it for an equivlent amount of time and the ~60k starting salary in FCPS jumps much closer to entry level engineering pay.[/quote]

Nope. That’s not how salaries work.

(Also, I made that as an entry level engineer in the area over 20 GD years ago. It’s laughable to defend these miserly salaries for professionals in one of the wealthiest areas of the country.)[/quote]

You are paid based off a set of contracted hours for 195 days which occur over a 10 month period. Yes, you are salaried, and yes you have had the option in prior years to be paid 10 months or 12 months out of the year.   You are not however working the same number of days per year as a full time employee in most other professions given both the 2 months off for summer + 30 holidays this year  (not including 14 sick with 6 as regular leave days) which accounts for some of the pay differential unless you are on the 260 day scale.

A starting salary of 61k with a BS.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/fy26-teacher-195-day.pdf

If other professional jobs have 260 days worked  (including 10 federal holidays so a 260 day calendar), then we can scale a starting engineering salary of 72k by 75%(195/260) and we  get 54k. Meaning that starting teacher pay is inline with starting engineering pay for an equivlent number of days worked and in fact higher.

Now if we look at FCPS teacher pay for260 days its actually lines up nearly to starting engineering pay at 74.4k.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/fy26-teacher-260-day.pdf

[/quote] 
You sound like one of those easy marks at clothing stores. “If you spend an extra $15 today you get a coupon for $30 six months from now, so you’re really SAVING $15!”

Since you’re obtuse: pretend money that COULD have been earned were the job and salary structure entirely different from what it is doesn’t pay the mortgage or put food on the table.[/quote]

I showed you two different pay scales, both of which worked out to be essentially the same wage for an equivlent time.

of course if you take into account the 30 holidays, then teachers come out ahead.

Are you complaining about getting paid a monthly salary when you're not working or is there something else? If its that the extra 20 holidays alone puts you ahead of entry level engineers in terms of pay and benefits. [/quote]
It’s nice of these entry level engineers to take your hypothetical positions that seem to offer no PTO and a below average salary. Entry level engineers are making $90-100k average in the DC area and receiving 3 weeks PTO plus some number of holidays. Teachers might edge them out with a few extra days off, but you’re not making the point you think you are. Especially when a mid career engineer will be pulling in $200k+ while a mid career FCPS teacher with a PhD will cap out around $100k.

I am speaking as an engineer. [/quote]

We pay 75k for entry level engineers, or 3k above the indeed.com average.[/quote]

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