MoCo county exec thoughts?

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the GGW candidate endorsements. For better or for worse:

https://ggwash.org/view/102768/morrison-ashman-stewart-fani-gonzalez-luedtke-goldberg-silvestre-sayles-mcnulty-for-montgomery-county-council?fbclid=IwdGRleAQqnYBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEeiiLHATkqDdW8vtu_0LV3sVt7kb1JiSHCwK6sD_Bua3hzti2heZxtT_qjfM8_aem_SmYFkNTtbLU1HMvyeAE5xw

Thank you. I hate GGW, so this helps me eliminate people from consideration.

Interesting that Jawando didn't do the GGW questionnaire. That makes me want to support him more. Perhaps he knew he wouldn't be able to pander to the developer propagandists at GGW.

I knew Jawando back before he ran for office, with him going to regular meetings at GGW's Dan Reed's house. How times have changed.

Makes sense. The same people who fund GGW also fund Friedson. It’s not that Jawando is a NIMBY. It’s that Friedson has demonstrated that he will throw taxpayer money and developers and bail out people who made bad land deals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the GGW candidate endorsements. For better or for worse:

https://ggwash.org/view/102768/morrison-ashman-stewart-fani-gonzalez-luedtke-goldberg-silvestre-sayles-mcnulty-for-montgomery-county-council?fbclid=IwdGRleAQqnYBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEeiiLHATkqDdW8vtu_0LV3sVt7kb1JiSHCwK6sD_Bua3hzti2heZxtT_qjfM8_aem_SmYFkNTtbLU1HMvyeAE5xw

Thank you. I hate GGW, so this helps me eliminate people from consideration.

Interesting that Jawando didn't do the GGW questionnaire. That makes me want to support him more. Perhaps he knew he wouldn't be able to pander to the developer propagandists at GGW.

I knew Jawando back before he ran for office, with him going to regular meetings at GGW's Dan Reed's house. How times have changed.

Makes sense. The same people who fund GGW also fund Friedson. It’s not that Jawando is a NIMBY. It’s that Friedson has demonstrated that he will throw taxpayer money and developers and bail out people who made bad land deals.

Maybe one could tenuously argue that Jawando’s NIMBY status is up for debate, but the NIMBYs certainly seem to be coalescing behind him (à la Elrich).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's interesting that Friedson's donors are all across the county. Glass thinks Friedson doesn't have a shot because he's a district Councilmember. But I think Friedson has a real shot

I think it’s interesting that Friedson has raised most his money from the real estate industry and that some of the companies that have maxed out for him also received lucrative subsidies that he sponsored. In fact, I find that much more interesting than the point you were trying to make.

I know that's what everyone assumes but do you have evidence? Down to the $$? I haven't looked at contributions because I don't have a ton of free time to do that type of analysis. But happy to read yours

Yes, it’s all available here: https://campaignfinance.maryland.gov/login. Be sure to look at his reports from previous years. You can see, for example, Five Squares, maxing out for him right after getting a big subsidy.

Yes I've already looked at that but haven't had time to analyze it. Analyze past your biases and mine. What percentage of donations is from developers? It doesn't really look like a lot. You could argue the same for Jawando and his $3900 anti union law firm donation. Or Jawando's endorsements from people his personal PAC gave money to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's interesting that Friedson's donors are all across the county. Glass thinks Friedson doesn't have a shot because he's a district Councilmember. But I think Friedson has a real shot

I think it’s interesting that Friedson has raised most his money from the real estate industry and that some of the companies that have maxed out for him also received lucrative subsidies that he sponsored. In fact, I find that much more interesting than the point you were trying to make.

I know that's what everyone assumes but do you have evidence? Down to the $$? I haven't looked at contributions because I don't have a ton of free time to do that type of analysis. But happy to read yours

Yes, it’s all available here: https://campaignfinance.maryland.gov/login. Be sure to look at his reports from previous years. You can see, for example, Five Squares, maxing out for him right after getting a big subsidy.

Yes I've already looked at that but haven't had time to analyze it. Analyze past your biases and mine. What percentage of donations is from developers? It doesn't really look like a lot. You could argue the same for Jawando and his $3900 anti union law firm donation. Or Jawando's endorsements from people his personal PAC gave money to.

Even if the percentage isn’t astronomically high, it’s still telling that Friedson is the only candidate in the race not participating in public financing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the GGW candidate endorsements. For better or for worse:

https://ggwash.org/view/102768/morrison-ashman-stewart-fani-gonzalez-luedtke-goldberg-silvestre-sayles-mcnulty-for-montgomery-county-council?fbclid=IwdGRleAQqnYBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEeiiLHATkqDdW8vtu_0LV3sVt7kb1JiSHCwK6sD_Bua3hzti2heZxtT_qjfM8_aem_SmYFkNTtbLU1HMvyeAE5xw

Thank you. I hate GGW, so this helps me eliminate people from consideration.

Interesting that Jawando didn't do the GGW questionnaire. That makes me want to support him more. Perhaps he knew he wouldn't be able to pander to the developer propagandists at GGW.

I knew Jawando back before he ran for office, with him going to regular meetings at GGW's Dan Reed's house. How times have changed.

Makes sense. The same people who fund GGW also fund Friedson. It’s not that Jawando is a NIMBY. It’s that Friedson has demonstrated that he will throw taxpayer money and developers and bail out people who made bad land deals.

Maybe one could tenuously argue that Jawando’s NIMBY status is up for debate, but the NIMBYs certainly seem to be coalescing behind him (à la Elrich).

The bills he’s voted against have been terrible and the ones that passed near the beginning of his time on the council have been ineffective. Also, the idea that you should hate everyone your enemy likes is ridiculous. If that were wielded against YIMBYs, you’d find yourselves as welcome in these parts as the Koch Brothers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the GGW candidate endorsements. For better or for worse:

https://ggwash.org/view/102768/morrison-ashman-stewart-fani-gonzalez-luedtke-goldberg-silvestre-sayles-mcnulty-for-montgomery-county-council?fbclid=IwdGRleAQqnYBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEeiiLHATkqDdW8vtu_0LV3sVt7kb1JiSHCwK6sD_Bua3hzti2heZxtT_qjfM8_aem_SmYFkNTtbLU1HMvyeAE5xw

Thank you. I hate GGW, so this helps me eliminate people from consideration.

Interesting that Jawando didn't do the GGW questionnaire. That makes me want to support him more. Perhaps he knew he wouldn't be able to pander to the developer propagandists at GGW.

I knew Jawando back before he ran for office, with him going to regular meetings at GGW's Dan Reed's house. How times have changed.

Makes sense. The same people who fund GGW also fund Friedson. It’s not that Jawando is a NIMBY. It’s that Friedson has demonstrated that he will throw taxpayer money and developers and bail out people who made bad land deals.

Maybe one could tenuously argue that Jawando’s NIMBY status is up for debate, but the NIMBYs certainly seem to be coalescing behind him (à la Elrich).

The bills he’s voted against have been terrible and the ones that passed near the beginning of his time on the council have been ineffective. Also, the idea that you should hate everyone your enemy likes is ridiculous. If that were wielded against YIMBYs, you’d find yourselves as welcome in these parts as the Koch Brothers.

I think you’re misconstruing the argument here. It’s disingenuous to claim that Jawando is completely divorced from NIMBYism when NIMBYs make up so much of his base, a fact which he surely must be aware of.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the GGW candidate endorsements. For better or for worse:

https://ggwash.org/view/102768/morrison-ashman-stewart-fani-gonzalez-luedtke-goldberg-silvestre-sayles-mcnulty-for-montgomery-county-council?fbclid=IwdGRleAQqnYBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEeiiLHATkqDdW8vtu_0LV3sVt7kb1JiSHCwK6sD_Bua3hzti2heZxtT_qjfM8_aem_SmYFkNTtbLU1HMvyeAE5xw

Thank you. I hate GGW, so this helps me eliminate people from consideration.

Interesting that Jawando didn't do the GGW questionnaire. That makes me want to support him more. Perhaps he knew he wouldn't be able to pander to the developer propagandists at GGW.

I knew Jawando back before he ran for office, with him going to regular meetings at GGW's Dan Reed's house. How times have changed.

Makes sense. The same people who fund GGW also fund Friedson. It’s not that Jawando is a NIMBY. It’s that Friedson has demonstrated that he will throw taxpayer money and developers and bail out people who made bad land deals.

Maybe one could tenuously argue that Jawando’s NIMBY status is up for debate, but the NIMBYs certainly seem to be coalescing behind him (à la Elrich).

The bills he’s voted against have been terrible and the ones that passed near the beginning of his time on the council have been ineffective. Also, the idea that you should hate everyone your enemy likes is ridiculous. If that were wielded against YIMBYs, you’d find yourselves as welcome in these parts as the Koch Brothers.

I think you’re misconstruing the argument here. It’s disingenuous to claim that Jawando is completely divorced from NIMBYism when NIMBYs make up so much of his base, a fact which he surely must be aware of.

So you’re saying the best way to judge a person is by seeing how other people judge a person?

By your measure, we should be skeptical of Friedson because some of the biggest right wing nutsos on X have expressed a preference for Friedson. I don’t think that’s right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the GGW candidate endorsements. For better or for worse:

https://ggwash.org/view/102768/morrison-ashman-stewart-fani-gonzalez-luedtke-goldberg-silvestre-sayles-mcnulty-for-montgomery-county-council?fbclid=IwdGRleAQqnYBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEeiiLHATkqDdW8vtu_0LV3sVt7kb1JiSHCwK6sD_Bua3hzti2heZxtT_qjfM8_aem_SmYFkNTtbLU1HMvyeAE5xw

Thank you. I hate GGW, so this helps me eliminate people from consideration.

Interesting that Jawando didn't do the GGW questionnaire. That makes me want to support him more. Perhaps he knew he wouldn't be able to pander to the developer propagandists at GGW.

I knew Jawando back before he ran for office, with him going to regular meetings at GGW's Dan Reed's house. How times have changed.

Makes sense. The same people who fund GGW also fund Friedson. It’s not that Jawando is a NIMBY. It’s that Friedson has demonstrated that he will throw taxpayer money and developers and bail out people who made bad land deals.

Maybe one could tenuously argue that Jawando’s NIMBY status is up for debate, but the NIMBYs certainly seem to be coalescing behind him (à la Elrich).

The bills he’s voted against have been terrible and the ones that passed near the beginning of his time on the council have been ineffective. Also, the idea that you should hate everyone your enemy likes is ridiculous. If that were wielded against YIMBYs, you’d find yourselves as welcome in these parts as the Koch Brothers.

I think you’re misconstruing the argument here. It’s disingenuous to claim that Jawando is completely divorced from NIMBYism when NIMBYs make up so much of his base, a fact which he surely must be aware of.

So you’re saying the best way to judge a person is by seeing how other people judge a person?

By your measure, we should be skeptical of Friedson because some of the biggest right wing nutsos on X have expressed a preference for Friedson. I don’t think that’s right.

Did I ever say that it was the best way to judge a person, or did I say that it was something important to keep in mind? Obviously, it should be part (not all) of a balanced viewpoint. At the same time, it shouldn’t be completely discarded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the GGW candidate endorsements. For better or for worse:

https://ggwash.org/view/102768/morrison-ashman-stewart-fani-gonzalez-luedtke-goldberg-silvestre-sayles-mcnulty-for-montgomery-county-council?fbclid=IwdGRleAQqnYBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEeiiLHATkqDdW8vtu_0LV3sVt7kb1JiSHCwK6sD_Bua3hzti2heZxtT_qjfM8_aem_SmYFkNTtbLU1HMvyeAE5xw

Thank you. I hate GGW, so this helps me eliminate people from consideration.

Interesting that Jawando didn't do the GGW questionnaire. That makes me want to support him more. Perhaps he knew he wouldn't be able to pander to the developer propagandists at GGW.

I knew Jawando back before he ran for office, with him going to regular meetings at GGW's Dan Reed's house. How times have changed.

Makes sense. The same people who fund GGW also fund Friedson. It’s not that Jawando is a NIMBY. It’s that Friedson has demonstrated that he will throw taxpayer money and developers and bail out people who made bad land deals.

Maybe one could tenuously argue that Jawando’s NIMBY status is up for debate, but the NIMBYs certainly seem to be coalescing behind him (à la Elrich).

The bills he’s voted against have been terrible and the ones that passed near the beginning of his time on the council have been ineffective. Also, the idea that you should hate everyone your enemy likes is ridiculous. If that were wielded against YIMBYs, you’d find yourselves as welcome in these parts as the Koch Brothers.

I think you’re misconstruing the argument here. It’s disingenuous to claim that Jawando is completely divorced from NIMBYism when NIMBYs make up so much of his base, a fact which he surely must be aware of.

So you’re saying the best way to judge a person is by seeing how other people judge a person?

By your measure, we should be skeptical of Friedson because some of the biggest right wing nutsos on X have expressed a preference for Friedson. I don’t think that’s right.

Did I ever say that it was the best way to judge a person, or did I say that it was something important to keep in mind? Obviously, it should be part (not all) of a balanced viewpoint. At the same time, it shouldn’t be completely discarded.

Was Friedson a NIMBY when he prevented Jawando’s upzoning bill from advancing?

[Anonymous]

Hard no on Jawando

He will be similar/same ideas as Elrich?
Does anyone think the county is in better shape now compared to when Elrich took over? And it’s not just because of Covid or Trump.

Want to pay higher taxes? Vote for Jawando
Want less safe communities and schools? Vote for Jawando

No thanks - either Glass or Friedsen

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the GGW candidate endorsements. For better or for worse:

https://ggwash.org/view/102768/morrison-ashman-stewart-fani-gonzalez-luedtke-goldberg-silvestre-sayles-mcnulty-for-montgomery-county-council?fbclid=IwdGRleAQqnYBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEeiiLHATkqDdW8vtu_0LV3sVt7kb1JiSHCwK6sD_Bua3hzti2heZxtT_qjfM8_aem_SmYFkNTtbLU1HMvyeAE5xw

Thank you. I hate GGW, so this helps me eliminate people from consideration.

Interesting that Jawando didn't do the GGW questionnaire. That makes me want to support him more. Perhaps he knew he wouldn't be able to pander to the developer propagandists at GGW.

I knew Jawando back before he ran for office, with him going to regular meetings at GGW's Dan Reed's house. How times have changed.

Makes sense. The same people who fund GGW also fund Friedson. It’s not that Jawando is a NIMBY. It’s that Friedson has demonstrated that he will throw taxpayer money and developers and bail out people who made bad land deals.

Maybe one could tenuously argue that Jawando’s NIMBY status is up for debate, but the NIMBYs certainly seem to be coalescing behind him (à la Elrich).

The bills he’s voted against have been terrible and the ones that passed near the beginning of his time on the council have been ineffective. Also, the idea that you should hate everyone your enemy likes is ridiculous. If that were wielded against YIMBYs, you’d find yourselves as welcome in these parts as the Koch Brothers.

I think you’re misconstruing the argument here. It’s disingenuous to claim that Jawando is completely divorced from NIMBYism when NIMBYs make up so much of his base, a fact which he surely must be aware of.

So you’re saying the best way to judge a person is by seeing how other people judge a person?

By your measure, we should be skeptical of Friedson because some of the biggest right wing nutsos on X have expressed a preference for Friedson. I don’t think that’s right.

Did I ever say that it was the best way to judge a person, or did I say that it was something important to keep in mind? Obviously, it should be part (not all) of a balanced viewpoint. At the same time, it shouldn’t be completely discarded.

Was Friedson a NIMBY when he prevented Jawando’s upzoning bill from advancing?

When did he do that? Not disputing that it happened, just asking for context. Sounds like a NIMBY move if so! Also worth noting the shift in Jawando’s housing policy — the measures that candidates CURRENTLY would support are most relevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hard no on Jawando

He will be similar/same ideas as Elrich?
Does anyone think the county is in better shape now compared to when Elrich took over? And it’s not just because of Covid or Trump.

Want to pay higher taxes? Vote for Jawando
Want less safe communities and schools? Vote for Jawando

No thanks - either Glass or Friedsen

Elrich is very popular. The developers might not like him, and I understand that they have a vast network of people to post on blogs and comment boards, but we shouldn't confuse their views with the views of voters. YIMBYism is not popular with most people, and if people think the county is in worse shape, it's because developers continue to destroy the county through overdevelopment, which puts a huge strain on schools and other public resources.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hard no on Jawando

He will be similar/same ideas as Elrich?
Does anyone think the county is in better shape now compared to when Elrich took over? And it’s not just because of Covid or Trump.

Want to pay higher taxes? Vote for Jawando
Want less safe communities and schools? Vote for Jawando

No thanks - either Glass or Friedsen

Elrich is very popular. The developers might not like him, and I understand that they have a vast network of people to post on blogs and comment boards, but we shouldn't confuse their views with the views of voters. YIMBYism is not popular with most people, and if people think the county is in worse shape, it's because developers continue to destroy the county through overdevelopment, which puts a huge strain on schools and other public resources.

Elrich won reelection in the 2022 Democratic primary by a paltry 32 votes, and a two-term limit proposal for county executive (a referendum against Elrich and his leadership) passed overwhelmingly in 2024 with over two-thirds of the vote. Elrich will be elected to county council this year because of his name recognition but is certainly not an uncontroversial, widely popular figure. It’s possible to have YIMBYism and build more affordable housing for those who need it most without placating developers at every turn. MCPS enrollment is actively declining and “overdevelopment” and its “huge strain on schools” are widely overstated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hard no on Jawando

He will be similar/same ideas as Elrich?
Does anyone think the county is in better shape now compared to when Elrich took over? And it’s not just because of Covid or Trump.

Want to pay higher taxes? Vote for Jawando
Want less safe communities and schools? Vote for Jawando

No thanks - either Glass or Friedsen

Elrich is very popular. The developers might not like him, and I understand that they have a vast network of people to post on blogs and comment boards, but we shouldn't confuse their views with the views of voters. YIMBYism is not popular with most people, and if people think the county is in worse shape, it's because developers continue to destroy the county through overdevelopment, which puts a huge strain on schools and other public resources.

Elrich won reelection in the 2022 Democratic primary by a paltry 32 votes, and a two-term limit proposal for county executive (a referendum against Elrich and his leadership) passed overwhelmingly in 2024 with over two-thirds of the vote. Elrich will be elected to county council this year because of his name recognition but is certainly not an uncontroversial, widely popular figure. It’s possible to have YIMBYism and build more affordable housing for those who need it most without placating developers at every turn. MCPS enrollment is actively declining and “overdevelopment” and its “huge strain on schools” are widely overstated.

The kind of YIMBYism practiced in Montgomery County hasn’t produced more housing, let alone more affordable housing. It’s been nothing more than a bailout program for big commercial land owners, especially down county. The striking thing about YIMBYs is that they’re very passionate that their way is the only way (see Friedson’s mansplaining, for example), but the YIMBY way hasn’t produced much housing, let alone more affordable housing.

The YIMBYs act as if they’ve created this great housing market here but what we have is a stagnant housing market with very few new opportunities for people to buy homes. The growth has been mostly rentals. Sure, rents have fallen as rent stabilization took effect and federal layoffs rippled through the economy, but the overwhelming majority of renters want to own instead. Building houses for people to own hasn’t been part of the YIMBY plan in Montgomery County at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hard no on Jawando

He will be similar/same ideas as Elrich?
Does anyone think the county is in better shape now compared to when Elrich took over? And it’s not just because of Covid or Trump.

Want to pay higher taxes? Vote for Jawando
Want less safe communities and schools? Vote for Jawando

No thanks - either Glass or Friedsen

Elrich is very popular. The developers might not like him, and I understand that they have a vast network of people to post on blogs and comment boards, but we shouldn't confuse their views with the views of voters. YIMBYism is not popular with most people, and if people think the county is in worse shape, it's because developers continue to destroy the county through overdevelopment, which puts a huge strain on schools and other public resources.

Elrich won reelection in the 2022 Democratic primary by a paltry 32 votes, and a two-term limit proposal for county executive (a referendum against Elrich and his leadership) passed overwhelmingly in 2024 with over two-thirds of the vote. Elrich will be elected to county council this year because of his name recognition but is certainly not an uncontroversial, widely popular figure. It’s possible to have YIMBYism and build more affordable housing for those who need it most without placating developers at every turn. MCPS enrollment is actively declining and “overdevelopment” and its “huge strain on schools” are widely overstated.

The kind of YIMBYism practiced in Montgomery County hasn’t produced more housing, let alone more affordable housing. It’s been nothing more than a bailout program for big commercial land owners, especially down county. The striking thing about YIMBYs is that they’re very passionate that their way is the only way (see Friedson’s mansplaining, for example), but the YIMBY way hasn’t produced much housing, let alone more affordable housing.

The YIMBYs act as if they’ve created this great housing market here but what we have is a stagnant housing market with very few new opportunities for people to buy homes. The growth has been mostly rentals. Sure, rents have fallen as rent stabilization took effect and federal layoffs rippled through the economy, but the overwhelming majority of renters want to own instead. Building houses for people to own hasn’t been part of the YIMBY plan in Montgomery County at all.

Because their plan, literally, is to have no plan. They are just libertarians with bike helmets instead of fedoras.