Supplementing math is becoming the norm now?

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Anonymous wrote:I never assumed the school would be enough.i went to private growing up and everyone had a tutor. We picked a good public school to allow for supplementation. My K is doing 100 lessons to learn reading with me (so I do phonics with her) and she went to Mathnesium- I wasn’t happy with that so we are doing private tutoring. I plan to ramp this up once my youngest is out of daycare. It’s on me as a parent to make sure my kids are prepped- not the school.

I think your experience growing up is coloring your expectations, which I think are off.

My kid went to public and learned to read there. I did buy that 100 lessons book and she hated it, so I held off, and then she became a great reader in K and it didn't matter.

We supplement with resources and I pay close attention to where she is at so if I think there are deficits, I can help meet them. But we have yet to do any tutoring. I don't think they read enough full books at school and definitely not enough classic literature, so she does lots of that outside of school. I have bought Beast Academy books for math supplementing and she does an after school math club provided by the school. I see no point in doing Mathnasium or Kumon or RSM at this point.

I would get tutors if she was falling behind and I'd definitely get tutors/therapists for LDs. But my kid is learning in school. Above grade level in everything, self-motivated. After school is for playing, sports, and ballet. Balance.

If I truly thought the school wasn't teaching her, we'd put her in private or find a way to homeschool and focus "supplementing" on the social side. But it's not the case.

And, apparently, supplementing with Beast Academy books and after-school math club. Wish our local school offered an after-school math club. Sounds cheaper than RSM.

After school math club will not replace RSM. It is not long enough and would not provide the homework or support that RSM does. My kid loves his math club but it is not even close to RSM.

I'm the PP whose kid does math club. It's nothing like RSM. It's just puzzles and fun stuff. It's intended to deepen knowledge and give kids a chance to apply classroom concepts in different and more interesting ways. They've also had parents come in who use applied math in their jobs to do projects with the kids -- I did a statistical analysis project with them using survey data they collected themselves, and they played around with different ways of using percentages to represent data. It was fun. There's no homework and the goal is not accelerate.

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Anonymous wrote:When did this change and why? We did not supplement in the aughts and certainly not in the 90s.

People supplemented. My brothers went to academic summer camps for more advanced math and science. Sylvan was starting to be a thing when I was in HS. There were workbooks and tutors and the like. I would guess that the foreign language schools on the weekend were there.

Are you Asian? I had no idea academic summer camps even existed. I can’t think of anyone I knew that went to one. I went to an excellent public school where many classmates went on to great colleges- no one was doing this.

Nope, White. My Mom asked the teachers for options and did research at the library. Plenty of people in our area did it.

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Anonymous wrote:Not the norm unless you're in public. DD attends private and goes to math class outside of school. Most of her classmates don't. I've noticed the kids at enrichment math are mostly public school kids, with a few kids from magnet schools and specialized privates.

Idk where you are, but many Sidwell families are paying $$$$ to Prep Matters for private tutoring. And these aren’t the public school kids who joined in 9th. Everyone’s pretty hush hush about it though.

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Anonymous wrote:When did this change and why? We did not supplement in the aughts and certainly not in the 90s.

People supplemented. My brothers went to academic summer camps for more advanced math and science. Sylvan was starting to be a thing when I was in HS. There were workbooks and tutors and the like. I would guess that the foreign language schools on the weekend were there.

Are you Asian? I had no idea academic summer camps even existed. I can’t think of anyone I knew that went to one. I went to an excellent public school where many classmates went on to great colleges- no one was doing this.

Nope, White. My Mom asked the teachers for options and did research at the library. Plenty of people in our area did it.

If your mom had to go research it at the library, plenty of people weren’t doing it. In the 90s, white MC and UMC were not sending kids off to academic summer camps. That was incredibly uncommon. It sounds like your brother was a special circumstance and far above peers, which is why your mother had to seek out the info

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]When did this change and why? We did not supplement in the aughts and certainly not in the 90s. [/quote]There are no textbooks. The teachers teach to the SOL. They follow disconnected strands bc of the SOL. They cram info into Sept-April bc they reserve the end of April and May for SOL review and test. Many of the teachers are young and inexperienced. They teach math off of poorly formatted Google slides. It’s all very poorly taught. [/quote]

Dp. This, and kids got homework. Parents helped kids as needed with their homework. They'd check math sent home and explain things kids weren't understanding.

Kids don't get homework anymore, or if they do, it's like 5-10 minutes long and inconsistently given.

I was doing 30 minutes a day afterschool by 5-6th grade. It was school assigned homework, mostly daily math.

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My kid is in DCPS and has been getting homework since K. Amount of math homework can vary by teacher and grade. It was really heavy in 2nd grade (lots of long worksheets for adding/subtracting math facts to drill those until they were second nature for kids) but lighter in 3rd, I think because ELA homework is heavier in 3rd now that kids are reading to learn and not just learning to read.

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Anonymous wrote:When did this change and why? We did not supplement in the aughts and certainly not in the 90s.

There are no textbooks. The teachers teach to the SOL. They follow disconnected strands bc of the SOL. They cram info into Sept-April bc they reserve the end of April and May for SOL review and test. Many of the teachers are young and inexperienced. They teach math off of poorly formatted Google slides. It’s all very poorly taught.

How do you know all this? Do you have kids in school? What have you done it wise of school to address? Did you ever bring concerns to admin or teachers or the district? I am surprised at how much people seem to know.

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Anonymous wrote:When did this change and why? We did not supplement in the aughts and certainly not in the 90s.

There are no textbooks. The teachers teach to the SOL. They follow disconnected strands bc of the SOL. They cram info into Sept-April bc they reserve the end of April and May for SOL review and test. Many of the teachers are young and inexperienced. They teach math off of poorly formatted Google slides. It’s all very poorly taught.

How do you know all this? Do you have kids in school? What have you done it wise of school to address? Did you ever bring concerns to admin or teachers or the district? I am surprised at how much people seem to know.

You must not have kids in school. Some teachers have textbooks and refuse to use them.

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Anonymous wrote:When did this change and why? We did not supplement in the aughts and certainly not in the 90s.

People supplemented. My brothers went to academic summer camps for more advanced math and science. Sylvan was starting to be a thing when I was in HS. There were workbooks and tutors and the like. I would guess that the foreign language schools on the weekend were there.

Are you Asian? I had no idea academic summer camps even existed. I can’t think of anyone I knew that went to one. I went to an excellent public school where many classmates went on to great colleges- no one was doing this.

Nope, White. My Mom asked the teachers for options and did research at the library. Plenty of people in our area did it.

If your mom had to go research it at the library, plenty of people weren’t doing it. In the 90s, white MC and UMC were not sending kids off to academic summer camps. That was incredibly uncommon. It sounds like your brother was a special circumstance and far above peers, which is why your mother had to seek out the info

Yes, they were. My parents did it and so did we. We supplement with math camos for a few years.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:When did this change and why? We did not supplement in the aughts and certainly not in the 90s.

People supplemented. My brothers went to academic summer camps for more advanced math and science. Sylvan was starting to be a thing when I was in HS. There were workbooks and tutors and the like. I would guess that the foreign language schools on the weekend were there.

Are you Asian? I had no idea academic summer camps even existed. I can’t think of anyone I knew that went to one. I went to an excellent public school where many classmates went on to great colleges- no one was doing this.

Nope, White. My Mom asked the teachers for options and did research at the library. Plenty of people in our area did it.

If your mom had to go research it at the library, plenty of people weren’t doing it. In the 90s, white MC and UMC were not sending kids off to academic summer camps. That was incredibly uncommon. It sounds like your brother was a special circumstance and far above peers, which is why your mother had to seek out the info

Yes, they were. My parents did it and so did we. We supplement with math camos for a few years.

What’s a math camo?

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What do people mean when they say "textbook" with regards to elementary school math?

My kid uses workbooks at school and these come home periodically when they are done, so we can see all the content and our kid's work. It's not like the textbooks I had as a kid because it's single use -- all the content is in the workboook and the kid does the work directly in the book instead of a separate sheet of paper. But the contents are pretty much the same as the textbooks I had as a kid.

I do sometimes wonder if not being forced to create their own work on a separate piece of paper causes something lost. Something about the mental organization it takes to read a lesson, look at the problem set, and then write the problems on a separate sheet and work them out in a way that is clear to a teacher when they turn it in.

However, all of the options for math supplementing also use workbooks. Is there a math tutoring program that uses traditional text books and kids having to re-create their work on blank paper? I am unaware of them.

So I'm not sure that supplementing is offering a big advantage over what is happening in class in this respecting. Everyone is using the same sort of materials. The main advantage of supplementing is that it's more time on math, and enables kids to work ahead so that when they encounter concepts in school, it's review instead of an introduction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did this change and why? We did not supplement in the aughts and certainly not in the 90s.

People supplemented. My brothers went to academic summer camps for more advanced math and science. Sylvan was starting to be a thing when I was in HS. There were workbooks and tutors and the like. I would guess that the foreign language schools on the weekend were there.

Are you Asian? I had no idea academic summer camps even existed. I can’t think of anyone I knew that went to one. I went to an excellent public school where many classmates went on to great colleges- no one was doing this.

Nope, White. My Mom asked the teachers for options and did research at the library. Plenty of people in our area did it.

If your mom had to go research it at the library, plenty of people weren’t doing it. In the 90s, white MC and UMC were not sending kids off to academic summer camps. That was incredibly uncommon. It sounds like your brother was a special circumstance and far above peers, which is why your mother had to seek out the info

Yes, they were. My parents did it and so did we. We supplement with math camos for a few years.

What’s a math camo?

Camp, the o and p are next to each other on the key board. I am not the poster but it isn’t hard to figure out.

My brothers were both gifted and honors classes and the like were not challenging for them, so yes my mother had to ask for information. She also had to ask for information for her kids with LDs and she did research to find day camps and over night camps and other things that met her kids individual needs. In the 80’s and 90’s, you did that at the libraary and through word of mouth. Different opportunities were posted in public places.

And no, my brothers were not the only ones attending programs like these. I knew plenty of kids in my neighborhood that attend week long camps at colleges and the like in HS. This was common, parents shared information that they had and they knew where to go and look for additional information. It is just how it was done.

It is easier to find now and there might be more organized activities during the school year and the interest in summer programs but that is also probably more in the urban areas and in areas with higher SES families who are probably more driven to make sure that their kids are competitive for college.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people mean when they say "textbook" with regards to elementary school math?

My kid uses workbooks at school and these come home periodically when they are done, so we can see all the content and our kid's work. It's not like the textbooks I had as a kid because it's single use -- all the content is in the workboook and the kid does the work directly in the book instead of a separate sheet of paper. But the contents are pretty much the same as the textbooks I had as a kid.

I do sometimes wonder if not being forced to create their own work on a separate piece of paper causes something lost. Something about the mental organization it takes to read a lesson, look at the problem set, and then write the problems on a separate sheet and work them out in a way that is clear to a teacher when they turn it in.

However, all of the options for math supplementing also use workbooks. Is there a math tutoring program that uses traditional text books and kids having to re-create their work on blank paper? I am unaware of them.

So I'm not sure that supplementing is offering a big advantage over what is happening in class in this respecting. Everyone is using the same sort of materials. The main advantage of supplementing is that it's more time on math, and enables kids to work ahead so that when they encounter concepts in school, it's review instead of an introduction.

Our district had a workbook but no textbook. The workbook never came home until it was sent home at the end of the year… for what purpose I don’t know, because very problems in it had been completed. What they did in class was math fact apps and iPad games. They brought home a single sheet of math problems maybe once or twice a week.

When we say textbook, we mean actual textbook. The materials come from the textbook. Homework is assigned from the textbook. Parents can buy an additional copy of the textbook to have at home if they wish to help kids understand concepts. It doesn’t matter whether there is an accompanying workbook or whether there’s no workbook and kids just work problems out on paper. The key is having an actual workbook.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people mean when they say "textbook" with regards to elementary school math?

My kid uses workbooks at school and these come home periodically when they are done, so we can see all the content and our kid's work. It's not like the textbooks I had as a kid because it's single use -- all the content is in the workboook and the kid does the work directly in the book instead of a separate sheet of paper. But the contents are pretty much the same as the textbooks I had as a kid.

I do sometimes wonder if not being forced to create their own work on a separate piece of paper causes something lost. Something about the mental organization it takes to read a lesson, look at the problem set, and then write the problems on a separate sheet and work them out in a way that is clear to a teacher when they turn it in.

However, all of the options for math supplementing also use workbooks. Is there a math tutoring program that uses traditional text books and kids having to re-create their work on blank paper? I am unaware of them.

So I'm not sure that supplementing is offering a big advantage over what is happening in class in this respecting. Everyone is using the same sort of materials. The main advantage of supplementing is that it's more time on math, and enables kids to work ahead so that when they encounter concepts in school, it's review instead of an introduction.

Our district had a workbook but no textbook. The workbook never came home until it was sent home at the end of the year… for what purpose I don’t know, because very problems in it had been completed. What they did in class was math fact apps and iPad games. They brought home a single sheet of math problems maybe once or twice a week.

When we say textbook, we mean actual textbook. The materials come from the textbook. Homework is assigned from the textbook. Parents can buy an additional copy of the textbook to have at home if they wish to help kids understand concepts. It doesn’t matter whether there is an accompanying workbook or whether there’s no workbook and kids just work problems out on paper. The key is having an actual textbook.

Sorry typo fixed above. The TEXTBOOK is what’s important imo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did this change and why? We did not supplement in the aughts and certainly not in the 90s.

People supplemented. My brothers went to academic summer camps for more advanced math and science. Sylvan was starting to be a thing when I was in HS. There were workbooks and tutors and the like. I would guess that the foreign language schools on the weekend were there.

Are you Asian? I had no idea academic summer camps even existed. I can’t think of anyone I knew that went to one. I went to an excellent public school where many classmates went on to great colleges- no one was doing this.

Nope, White. My Mom asked the teachers for options and did research at the library. Plenty of people in our area did it.

If your mom had to go research it at the library, plenty of people weren’t doing it. In the 90s, white MC and UMC were not sending kids off to academic summer camps. That was incredibly uncommon. It sounds like your brother was a special circumstance and far above peers, which is why your mother had to seek out the info

Yes, they were. My parents did it and so did we. We supplement with math camos for a few years.

What’s a math camo?

Camp, the o and p are next to each other on the key board. I am not the poster but it isn’t hard to figure out.

My brothers were both gifted and honors classes and the like were not challenging for them, so yes my mother had to ask for information. She also had to ask for information for her kids with LDs and she did research to find day camps and over night camps and other things that met her kids individual needs. In the 80’s and 90’s, you did that at the libraary and through word of mouth. Different opportunities were posted in public places.

And no, my brothers were not the only ones attending programs like these. I knew plenty of kids in my neighborhood that attend week long camps at colleges and the like in HS. This was common, parents shared information that they had and they knew where to go and look for additional information. It is just how it was done.

It is easier to find now and there might be more organized activities during the school year and the interest in summer programs but that is also probably more in the urban areas and in areas with higher SES families who are probably more driven to make sure that their kids are competitive for college.

Where was this and what decade? I went to school with plenty of smart kids- went to UofM, Ivys, etc. no one was going to these. After school supplementing and tutoring was typically for kids far, far behind with deficits. Wide spread supplementing to get advanced kids *even more ahead or because school was lacking just wasn’t a thing. Everyone I knew went to rustic sleepaway camp or sports camps, or Interlochen if they were artsy