Proactive, sensible ways to organize, dissent, stay safe

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Anonymous wrote:A long time ago when we were building our house I put a set of bulkhead stairs in with a hinged trap door that you can open to an empty hiding space inside.

I originally did it to be able to hide things like emergency supplies and whatnot.

Now I’ve shown it to my landscapers and housekeepers, now if they are afraid they know where it is and (for the landscapers) how to come in through the back door, pull the staircase open on the outside with a stair runner brace, and pull it closed from inside. It looks like a normal staircase otherwise.

That was something I never thought I’d have to use for humans.

Anne Frank’s family went into hiding because of deportation orders.

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Anonymous wrote:There are routine ICE stops on my commute at least once a week (the Clara Barton). Thinking maybe I'll dress-up as an ICE agent as I drive by... hoodie, masked, all in black, no id. Maybe we should all dress up like ICE agents at the next NO KINGS protest? Well, probably not a good idea, but like thinking about this.

I do think it's wise to wear a hat and sunglasses, and maybe a face mask at protests. Cover up anything that could identify you, ie cover up your backpack and wear nondescript clothing. Do not let them use AI and face recognition to find out the names of all the protesters.

Help us know what an ICE stop look like since ICE isn’t wearing identifying clothing. How do you distinguish an ICE stop from other kinds of stops (eg, drugs) by LE.

Well, the ICE stops I have been involved in involve several Park Police stopping cars on the Clara Barton. Standing behind them are like 10-20 masked menacing looking ICE people waiting for the Park Police to stop someone - they look for ‘commercial vehicles’ which technically are not supposed to be on that road - ie landscapers, other contractors. Then they pull them over and I guess take them away. I usually just keep driving and try to take a photo discretely. That’s been my experience. It’s scary.

Hmm. That doesn’t really seem helpful. I’ve seen those kinds of stops pre-Trump. No way to know for certain that’s an ICE stop.

I sometimes see 4-6 cars for traffic violations once a car is pulled over on secondary roads.

Well, it’s true that as you approach the road checkpoint you might just assume it’s some sort of routine police activity or construction stop or who knows what. But as you get closer you start to see a large number of masked people lurking about. That’s when you know it’s an ICE checkpoint. I have never seen masked law enforcement before.

I would personally just leave the area.

I have a family. I have and a clean criminal record. Neither is worth risking putting my safety in jeopardy, especially since it won’t make any difference anyway.

This is the wisest approach here.

Only if you're a coward. If you aren't willing to stand up for what is right then you are nothing more than a useless pile of MAGA excrement.

Yeah, I really can’t agree with you PP. I don’t want to be a fighter and think violence just begets more violence. Things are turning violent and I can never agree that violence is an answer.

OP I completely agree with you as we are at a loss as to what we can do. As a family, we are cutting back spending. I write letters to my representatives, but that doesn’t really help.

Please call your reps instead. I used to work as a staffer. Calls carry more weight and take less time.

Your Democrat reps WANT chaos & carnage…anything to try to make Trump look bad.

If they wanted safety & order, they’d demand that police cooperate with ICE & turn over illegal aliens so ICE wouldn’t have to go into neighborhoods to get the people to deport.

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Anonymous wrote:A long time ago when we were building our house I put a set of bulkhead stairs in with a hinged trap door that you can open to an empty hiding space inside.

I originally did it to be able to hide things like emergency supplies and whatnot.

Now I’ve shown it to my landscapers and housekeepers, now if they are afraid they know where it is and (for the landscapers) how to come in through the back door, pull the staircase open on the outside with a stair runner brace, and pull it closed from inside. It looks like a normal staircase otherwise.

That was something I never thought I’d have to use for humans.

Anne Frank’s family went into hiding because of deportation orders.

Was her family there illegally? No. That’s why your analogy is stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:There are routine ICE stops on my commute at least once a week (the Clara Barton). Thinking maybe I'll dress-up as an ICE agent as I drive by... hoodie, masked, all in black, no id. Maybe we should all dress up like ICE agents at the next NO KINGS protest? Well, probably not a good idea, but like thinking about this.

I do think it's wise to wear a hat and sunglasses, and maybe a face mask at protests. Cover up anything that could identify you, ie cover up your backpack and wear nondescript clothing. Do not let them use AI and face recognition to find out the names of all the protesters.

Help us know what an ICE stop look like since ICE isn’t wearing identifying clothing. How do you distinguish an ICE stop from other kinds of stops (eg, drugs) by LE.

Well, the ICE stops I have been involved in involve several Park Police stopping cars on the Clara Barton. Standing behind them are like 10-20 masked menacing looking ICE people waiting for the Park Police to stop someone - they look for ‘commercial vehicles’ which technically are not supposed to be on that road - ie landscapers, other contractors. Then they pull them over and I guess take them away. I usually just keep driving and try to take a photo discretely. That’s been my experience. It’s scary.

Hmm. That doesn’t really seem helpful. I’ve seen those kinds of stops pre-Trump. No way to know for certain that’s an ICE stop.

I sometimes see 4-6 cars for traffic violations once a car is pulled over on secondary roads.

Well, it’s true that as you approach the road checkpoint you might just assume it’s some sort of routine police activity or construction stop or who knows what. But as you get closer you start to see a large number of masked people lurking about. That’s when you know it’s an ICE checkpoint. I have never seen masked law enforcement before.

I would personally just leave the area.

I have a family. I have and a clean criminal record. Neither is worth risking putting my safety in jeopardy, especially since it won’t make any difference anyway.

This is the wisest approach here.

Only if you're a coward. If you aren't willing to stand up for what is right then you are nothing more than a useless pile of MAGA excrement.

Yeah, I really can’t agree with you PP. I don’t want to be a fighter and think violence just begets more violence. Things are turning violent and I can never agree that violence is an answer.

OP I completely agree with you as we are at a loss as to what we can do. As a family, we are cutting back spending. I write letters to my representatives, but that doesn’t really help.

Please call your reps instead. I used to work as a staffer. Calls carry more weight and take less time.

Your Democrat reps WANT chaos & carnage…anything to try to make Trump look bad.

If they wanted safety & order, they’d demand that police cooperate with ICE & turn over illegal aliens so ICE wouldn’t have to go into neighborhoods to get the people to deport.

I agree that local police should turn over criminals to ICE when they have them in custody, but are you suggesting that local police go hunting for otherwise law-abiding undocumented migrants in their neighborhoods and then turn them over to ICE?

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Anonymous wrote:There are routine ICE stops on my commute at least once a week (the Clara Barton). Thinking maybe I'll dress-up as an ICE agent as I drive by... hoodie, masked, all in black, no id. Maybe we should all dress up like ICE agents at the next NO KINGS protest? Well, probably not a good idea, but like thinking about this.

I do think it's wise to wear a hat and sunglasses, and maybe a face mask at protests. Cover up anything that could identify you, ie cover up your backpack and wear nondescript clothing. Do not let them use AI and face recognition to find out the names of all the protesters.

Help us know what an ICE stop look like since ICE isn’t wearing identifying clothing. How do you distinguish an ICE stop from other kinds of stops (eg, drugs) by LE.

Well, the ICE stops I have been involved in involve several Park Police stopping cars on the Clara Barton. Standing behind them are like 10-20 masked menacing looking ICE people waiting for the Park Police to stop someone - they look for ‘commercial vehicles’ which technically are not supposed to be on that road - ie landscapers, other contractors. Then they pull them over and I guess take them away. I usually just keep driving and try to take a photo discretely. That’s been my experience. It’s scary.

Hmm. That doesn’t really seem helpful. I’ve seen those kinds of stops pre-Trump. No way to know for certain that’s an ICE stop.

I sometimes see 4-6 cars for traffic violations once a car is pulled over on secondary roads.

Well, it’s true that as you approach the road checkpoint you might just assume it’s some sort of routine police activity or construction stop or who knows what. But as you get closer you start to see a large number of masked people lurking about. That’s when you know it’s an ICE checkpoint. I have never seen masked law enforcement before.

I would personally just leave the area.

I have a family. I have and a clean criminal record. Neither is worth risking putting my safety in jeopardy, especially since it won’t make any difference anyway.

This is the wisest approach here.

Only if you're a coward. If you aren't willing to stand up for what is right then you are nothing more than a useless pile of MAGA excrement.

Yeah, I really can’t agree with you PP. I don’t want to be a fighter and think violence just begets more violence. Things are turning violent and I can never agree that violence is an answer.

OP I completely agree with you as we are at a loss as to what we can do. As a family, we are cutting back spending. I write letters to my representatives, but that doesn’t really help.

Please call your reps instead. I used to work as a staffer. Calls carry more weight and take less time.

Your Democrat reps WANT chaos & carnage…anything to try to make Trump look bad.

If they wanted safety & order, they’d demand that police cooperate with ICE & turn over illegal aliens so ICE wouldn’t have to go into neighborhoods to get the people to deport.

I agree that local police should turn over criminals to ICE when they have them in custody, but are you suggesting that local police go hunting for otherwise law-abiding undocumented migrants in their neighborhoods and then turn them over to ICE?

Your use of the word “otherwise” blows up your argument. So I reject the position that the millions of people who are here illegally shouldn’t be deported. Why even have laws if you’re not going to enforce them?

But fine, worst first.

It’s just insane that you guys won’t turn over hardened criminals over to ICE, & then whine about ICE having to go into neighborhoods to get these criminals.

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Anonymous wrote:Buy nothing except food and medicine.
No travel, unless to stay with friends/ family.

We are doing a "low spend" year this year: buying groceries, health expenses, and fixing / replacing appliances and house stuff only if it fails.

No spending for travel, no shopping online or otherwise, no new clothes, we are lucky enough to be able to try to use up everything we already have. No fast food, maybe get takeout from a local restaurant once a month. Emphasizing free activities locally.

Asking for things on our local buy nothing or neighborhood group if we do think we need something.

If the people in charge stop being able to profit from Americans they will be more open to change.

I have read about Buy Nothing campaigns but they don’t seem to be getting off the ground. It’s a good idea.

It’s depressing AF that political power is more consumer power in our nation. I don’t want my or anyone’s life to be reducible to what they can buy.

To the first reply: grow up, please. Anyone reading likely voted. We don’t go to the polls often. What can we do more often without incurring literal bodily harm? We are currently in a violent land where anyone under the LEO or fed agent mantle can effectively hurt anyone not under that aegis with literally no adverse consequences.

Buy Nothing is a rich man’s game. Plenty of people are at that point involuntarily.

Well, so much better when the resistance crosses class lines.

Pointing out this tactic did in no way negate that there are people being hammered by the affordability crisis. I'm not the PP who suggested it, but it is ridiculous to think that the change here will only come from one segment of folks. Please read about successful liberation struggles, not just theory.

Buy Nothing has been helpful to my neighbors who lost their jobs (including Feds) this year. It’s also used by recent grads setting up their first apartments and young families. I think it’s a great way to support our neighbors.

You are illustrating that the “buy nothing” movement is created by economic pressures more than political motivation and it’s carried out by the middle class and aspiring middle class who are already squeezed by agendas and policies of both parties. But have you noticed how large the upper class is? They can fill all the sports and entertainment venues and all the theme parks and all the hotels, and all the malls, etc by themselves. Everything is sold out and everywhere is full, perhaps more than before.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want to be a "fighter" and certainly will not use violence or destructive behavior, but I also don't want to live in Trump's version of the US.

What will it take to get us out of this?

50-75 years. Seriously. It will take at least that long for things to simmer down and be functional again. The split in behaviors won’t come back together any time soon.

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Anonymous wrote:Buy nothing except food and medicine.
No travel, unless to stay with friends/ family.

We are doing a "low spend" year this year: buying groceries, health expenses, and fixing / replacing appliances and house stuff only if it fails.

No spending for travel, no shopping online or otherwise, no new clothes, we are lucky enough to be able to try to use up everything we already have. No fast food, maybe get takeout from a local restaurant once a month. Emphasizing free activities locally.

Asking for things on our local buy nothing or neighborhood group if we do think we need something.

If the people in charge stop being able to profit from Americans they will be more open to change.

I have read about Buy Nothing campaigns but they don’t seem to be getting off the ground. It’s a good idea.

It’s depressing AF that political power is more consumer power in our nation. I don’t want my or anyone’s life to be reducible to what they can buy.

To the first reply: grow up, please. Anyone reading likely voted. We don’t go to the polls often. What can we do more often without incurring literal bodily harm? We are currently in a violent land where anyone under the LEO or fed agent mantle can effectively hurt anyone not under that aegis with literally no adverse consequences.

Buy Nothing is a rich man’s game. Plenty of people are at that point involuntarily.

Well, so much better when the resistance crosses class lines.

Pointing out this tactic did in no way negate that there are people being hammered by the affordability crisis. I'm not the PP who suggested it, but it is ridiculous to think that the change here will only come from one segment of folks. Please read about successful liberation struggles, not just theory.

Buy Nothing has been helpful to my neighbors who lost their jobs (including Feds) this year. It’s also used by recent grads setting up their first apartments and young families. I think it’s a great way to support our neighbors.

You are illustrating that the “buy nothing” movement is created by economic pressures more than political motivation and it’s carried out by the middle class and aspiring middle class who are already squeezed by agendas and policies of both parties. But have you noticed how large the upper class is? They can fill all the sports and entertainment venues and all the theme parks and all the hotels, and all the malls, etc by themselves. Everything is sold out and everywhere is full, perhaps more than before.

lol. Some cites? I’m OP and no doubt in a far more expensive part of the US than you-this is not true. The commercial vacancy rate is going up. Unemployment is going up. And so forth.

I really wish the Trumpistas would ignore this thread and go back to articulating non-legal rationales for Grindr Jonathan Ross’s extrajudicial killing of Renee Good.

To the former Hill staffer - thank you. I’ve heard that calls are better than letters. I’m in real disbelief that some of my elected representatives are still unwilling to cut ICE funding despite the events of last week. It’s surreal to have the government we have, where some of “our” representatives are publicly explicit that they are not open to constituent opinions.

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Anonymous wrote:There are routine ICE stops on my commute at least once a week (the Clara Barton). Thinking maybe I'll dress-up as an ICE agent as I drive by... hoodie, masked, all in black, no id. Maybe we should all dress up like ICE agents at the next NO KINGS protest? Well, probably not a good idea, but like thinking about this.

I do think it's wise to wear a hat and sunglasses, and maybe a face mask at protests. Cover up anything that could identify you, ie cover up your backpack and wear nondescript clothing. Do not let them use AI and face recognition to find out the names of all the protesters.

Help us know what an ICE stop look like since ICE isn’t wearing identifying clothing. How do you distinguish an ICE stop from other kinds of stops (eg, drugs) by LE.

Well, the ICE stops I have been involved in involve several Park Police stopping cars on the Clara Barton. Standing behind them are like 10-20 masked menacing looking ICE people waiting for the Park Police to stop someone - they look for ‘commercial vehicles’ which technically are not supposed to be on that road - ie landscapers, other contractors. Then they pull them over and I guess take them away. I usually just keep driving and try to take a photo discretely. That’s been my experience. It’s scary.

Hmm. That doesn’t really seem helpful. I’ve seen those kinds of stops pre-Trump. No way to know for certain that’s an ICE stop.

I sometimes see 4-6 cars for traffic violations once a car is pulled over on secondary roads.

Well, it’s true that as you approach the road checkpoint you might just assume it’s some sort of routine police activity or construction stop or who knows what. But as you get closer you start to see a large number of masked people lurking about. That’s when you know it’s an ICE checkpoint. I have never seen masked law enforcement before.

I would personally just leave the area.

I have a family. I have and a clean criminal record. Neither is worth risking putting my safety in jeopardy, especially since it won’t make any difference anyway.

This is the wisest approach here.

Only if you're a coward. If you aren't willing to stand up for what is right then you are nothing more than a useless pile of MAGA excrement.

Yeah, I really can’t agree with you PP. I don’t want to be a fighter and think violence just begets more violence. Things are turning violent and I can never agree that violence is an answer.

OP I completely agree with you as we are at a loss as to what we can do. As a family, we are cutting back spending. I write letters to my representatives, but that doesn’t really help.

Please call your reps instead. I used to work as a staffer. Calls carry more weight and take less time.

Your Democrat reps WANT chaos & carnage…anything to try to make Trump look bad.

If they wanted safety & order, they’d demand that police cooperate with ICE & turn over illegal aliens so ICE wouldn’t have to go into neighborhoods to get the people to deport.

I agree that local police should turn over criminals to ICE when they have them in custody, but are you suggesting that local police go hunting for otherwise law-abiding undocumented migrants in their neighborhoods and then turn them over to ICE?

So of course you think nobody is above the law, but of course you want to exempt illegal aliens from a law you find inconvenient.

So you toss logic aside so you can keep your illegal nanny & landscapers working at below minimum wages.

And anybody who disagrees with you is a filthy fascist, right?

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Anonymous wrote:A long time ago when we were building our house I put a set of bulkhead stairs in with a hinged trap door that you can open to an empty hiding space inside.

I originally did it to be able to hide things like emergency supplies and whatnot.

Now I’ve shown it to my landscapers and housekeepers, now if they are afraid they know where it is and (for the landscapers) how to come in through the back door, pull the staircase open on the outside with a stair runner brace, and pull it closed from inside. It looks like a normal staircase otherwise.

That was something I never thought I’d have to use for humans.

Anne Frank’s family went into hiding because of deportation orders.

Was her family there illegally? No. That’s why your analogy is stupid.

You sound like you're not understanding things completely.

People are being "made" to be illegal who have been here for decades.

Anne Frank's family was in Amsterdam legally, until they were declared to be "illegal"

You sound like the stupid one in this exchange

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Anonymous wrote:There are routine ICE stops on my commute at least once a week (the Clara Barton). Thinking maybe I'll dress-up as an ICE agent as I drive by... hoodie, masked, all in black, no id. Maybe we should all dress up like ICE agents at the next NO KINGS protest? Well, probably not a good idea, but like thinking about this.

I do think it's wise to wear a hat and sunglasses, and maybe a face mask at protests. Cover up anything that could identify you, ie cover up your backpack and wear nondescript clothing. Do not let them use AI and face recognition to find out the names of all the protesters.

Help us know what an ICE stop look like since ICE isn’t wearing identifying clothing. How do you distinguish an ICE stop from other kinds of stops (eg, drugs) by LE.

Well, the ICE stops I have been involved in involve several Park Police stopping cars on the Clara Barton. Standing behind them are like 10-20 masked menacing looking ICE people waiting for the Park Police to stop someone - they look for ‘commercial vehicles’ which technically are not supposed to be on that road - ie landscapers, other contractors. Then they pull them over and I guess take them away. I usually just keep driving and try to take a photo discretely. That’s been my experience. It’s scary.

Hmm. That doesn’t really seem helpful. I’ve seen those kinds of stops pre-Trump. No way to know for certain that’s an ICE stop.

I sometimes see 4-6 cars for traffic violations once a car is pulled over on secondary roads.

Well, it’s true that as you approach the road checkpoint you might just assume it’s some sort of routine police activity or construction stop or who knows what. But as you get closer you start to see a large number of masked people lurking about. That’s when you know it’s an ICE checkpoint. I have never seen masked law enforcement before.

I would personally just leave the area.

I have a family. I have and a clean criminal record. Neither is worth risking putting my safety in jeopardy, especially since it won’t make any difference anyway.

This is the wisest approach here.

Only if you're a coward. If you aren't willing to stand up for what is right then you are nothing more than a useless pile of MAGA excrement.

Yeah, I really can’t agree with you PP. I don’t want to be a fighter and think violence just begets more violence. Things are turning violent and I can never agree that violence is an answer.

OP I completely agree with you as we are at a loss as to what we can do. As a family, we are cutting back spending. I write letters to my representatives, but that doesn’t really help.

Please call your reps instead. I used to work as a staffer. Calls carry more weight and take less time.

Your Democrat reps WANT chaos & carnage…anything to try to make Trump look bad.

If they wanted safety & order, they’d demand that police cooperate with ICE & turn over illegal aliens so ICE wouldn’t have to go into neighborhoods to get the people to deport.

I agree that local police should turn over criminals to ICE when they have them in custody, but are you suggesting that local police go hunting for otherwise law-abiding undocumented migrants in their neighborhoods and then turn them over to ICE?

So of course you think nobody is above the law, but of course you want to exempt illegal aliens from a law you find inconvenient.

So you toss logic aside so you can keep your illegal nanny & landscapers working at below minimum wages.

And anybody who disagrees with you is a filthy fascist, right?

What do you consider to be worthy wages? Like, exact numbers for things like house cleaning, landscaping?

What do you consider to be underpaid ...

and if you are declaring that those occupations are being worked at "below minimum wages" what do you think they are actually worth?

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Anonymous wrote:There are routine ICE stops on my commute at least once a week (the Clara Barton). Thinking maybe I'll dress-up as an ICE agent as I drive by... hoodie, masked, all in black, no id. Maybe we should all dress up like ICE agents at the next NO KINGS protest? Well, probably not a good idea, but like thinking about this.

I take the Clara Barton in to DC daily and have never seen ICE. I do see them on the GW Pkwy and it always involves stop of a white van and busted out windows.

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Anonymous wrote:A long time ago when we were building our house I put a set of bulkhead stairs in with a hinged trap door that you can open to an empty hiding space inside.

I originally did it to be able to hide things like emergency supplies and whatnot.

Now I’ve shown it to my landscapers and housekeepers, now if they are afraid they know where it is and (for the landscapers) how to come in through the back door, pull the staircase open on the outside with a stair runner brace, and pull it closed from inside. It looks like a normal staircase otherwise.

That was something I never thought I’d have to use for humans.

Anne Frank’s family went into hiding because of deportation orders.

Was her family there illegally? No. That’s why your analogy is stupid.

You sound like you're not understanding things completely.

People are being "made" to be illegal who have been here for decades.

Anne Frank's family was in Amsterdam legally, until they were declared to be "illegal"

You sound like the stupid one in this exchange

I agree with PP, this is a terrible analogy. You are talking about a time when people were migrating in an area and during a time of war on the ground, bombs falling in Europe and destroying cities. You are comparing today’s voluntary migration for opportunity (90%) with the Jewish people fleeing certain death while they were systematically send to extermination camps. Today’s migrants would return to their, in most cases, perfectly safe home country.

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Anonymous wrote:There are routine ICE stops on my commute at least once a week (the Clara Barton). Thinking maybe I'll dress-up as an ICE agent as I drive by... hoodie, masked, all in black, no id. Maybe we should all dress up like ICE agents at the next NO KINGS protest? Well, probably not a good idea, but like thinking about this.

I do think it's wise to wear a hat and sunglasses, and maybe a face mask at protests. Cover up anything that could identify you, ie cover up your backpack and wear nondescript clothing. Do not let them use AI and face recognition to find out the names of all the protesters.

Help us know what an ICE stop look like since ICE isn’t wearing identifying clothing. How do you distinguish an ICE stop from other kinds of stops (eg, drugs) by LE.

Well, the ICE stops I have been involved in involve several Park Police stopping cars on the Clara Barton. Standing behind them are like 10-20 masked menacing looking ICE people waiting for the Park Police to stop someone - they look for ‘commercial vehicles’ which technically are not supposed to be on that road - ie landscapers, other contractors. Then they pull them over and I guess take them away. I usually just keep driving and try to take a photo discretely. That’s been my experience. It’s scary.

Hmm. That doesn’t really seem helpful. I’ve seen those kinds of stops pre-Trump. No way to know for certain that’s an ICE stop.

I sometimes see 4-6 cars for traffic violations once a car is pulled over on secondary roads.

Well, it’s true that as you approach the road checkpoint you might just assume it’s some sort of routine police activity or construction stop or who knows what. But as you get closer you start to see a large number of masked people lurking about. That’s when you know it’s an ICE checkpoint. I have never seen masked law enforcement before.

I would personally just leave the area.

I have a family. I have and a clean criminal record. Neither is worth risking putting my safety in jeopardy, especially since it won’t make any difference anyway.

This is the wisest approach here.

Only if you're a coward. If you aren't willing to stand up for what is right then you are nothing more than a useless pile of MAGA excrement.

Yeah, I really can’t agree with you PP. I don’t want to be a fighter and think violence just begets more violence. Things are turning violent and I can never agree that violence is an answer.

OP I completely agree with you as we are at a loss as to what we can do. As a family, we are cutting back spending. I write letters to my representatives, but that doesn’t really help.

Please call your reps instead. I used to work as a staffer. Calls carry more weight and take less time.

Your Democrat reps WANT chaos & carnage…anything to try to make Trump look bad.

If they wanted safety & order, they’d demand that police cooperate with ICE & turn over illegal aliens so ICE wouldn’t have to go into neighborhoods to get the people to deport.

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Volunteer with your state election commission. Call your state representative and let them know you care about safeguarding the transparency of elections. Call your governor and do the same.

Act on the state level to fight this federal insanity.