Tulane bans HS from ED for 1 year after student backs out

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting read.

You can tell from the profiles of schools like the private Colorado Academy just how advantageous to the wealthy ED is. Virtually every one of the profiles of these schools report the same pattern—many graduates enrolling in second tier expensive privates more than anywhere else. In this school’s case, you see 12 enrolled at Tulane in the last 4 years, and you just know they’re all ED.

Also noteworthy that the school had 11 enroll at UVA and zero at UMD in the same time period. Clearly one has the national reach and reputation that the other lacks, the protests on this board notwithstanding.

If y is are wealthy enough for private HS, you are wealthy enough to ED if you choose. No one is feeling sorry for a private HS family. No one.

I understand that. I guess my point was more of it seems like a waste of a lot of money to send a kid to a private high school like that just to have them go to some second tier shitty school that is no better than many public schools but just doesn’t have a lot of diversity or poor kids. It makes no sense to me. But it’s not my money.

[Anonymous]

I’m interested to know the % of DCUM posters who had children who applied ED? And were accepted? You all seem very invested in keeping this crappy system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can hold two thoughts in my head at once. I can recognize that people should honor their ED commitments, and I can recognize that colleges are the ones who gain the most by filling a significant % of the class through ED. The vast majority of students do not benefit from this system.

Ok. Breaking the rules of the ED application has consequences. Live with the consequences of your behavior.

+1 It's terrible the way so many people today try to rationalize dishonesty.

I’m the first poster quoted. I said people should honor ED commitments. But I can also recognize flaws in the system. The earlier PP had it right - some of you are absolute boot lickers.

If you don’t like the way a college runs itself, you are free to vote with your feet.

+1 !!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can hold two thoughts in my head at once. I can recognize that people should honor their ED commitments, and I can recognize that colleges are the ones who gain the most by filling a significant % of the class through ED. The vast majority of students do not benefit from this system.

My student benefited. Like many she had an application appropriate for a top 10-20 school but none of the hooks, not a legacy. She applied ED to a school that isn’t known for valuing legacy, got in, and got almost exactly as much financial aid (a lot) as the estimate suggested. The system worked for her.

Because the system worked for your kid( it must be a good system?

What part of you can compare financial aid offers in advance using the NPC do you not understand? There is a system in place for comparing offers in advance, excluding merit. That means students who need financial aid are not disadvantaged by this system. If the NPC shows no aid, you get no aid whether ED, EA, or RD.

This! ED simply means you have a clear first choice, factoring in anticipated financial aid. We applied ED and received aid that corresponded to the NPC estimate. If a kid doesn't have a first choice or wants to drop tiers to chase merit, that's a matter of priorities. Merit, by definition, is independent of need.

There's nothing unfair about rewarding kids who've done their financial aid homework and are willing to commit to a given school. Anyone can do their homework and proceed accordingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m interested to know the % of DCUM posters who had children who applied ED? And were accepted? You all seem very invested in keeping this crappy system.

If you don't like the system, then work to change it. Deception and dishonesty are never ok.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can hold two thoughts in my head at once. I can recognize that people should honor their ED commitments, and I can recognize that colleges are the ones who gain the most by filling a significant % of the class through ED. The vast majority of students do not benefit from this system.

Majority of students also don't benefit from financial aid and don't benefit from having hooks. Should schools eliminate all these? ED is fine, just like giving needy families financial aid is fine. No system is fair to everyone. I cannot afford a Maserati or Porsche and am totally at peace with my inability.

I’m not in favor of systems that encourage 17 years to lock themselves into paying $$$$ without considered choice.

What do you mean? The 17-year-olds can choose to not lock themselves after seeing it's unaffordable. They get to consider choices such as whether and where to ED. When I go to a car dealer and listen to deals, I can choose not to commit $$$$ and just walk out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Posters who complain about ED here want the cake and eat it too. What's why they're whining.

What does have your cake and eat it too mean in this context?

[Anonymous]

Abolish ED, limit everyone to 10 applications, limit SAT/ACT sittings to 2, get rid of the “commitment” system for Division III athletics, and maybe that can go some ways in making the process the way it was circa 1990- not perfect but much more transparent (even without internet!) and less stressful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m interested to know the % of DCUM posters who had children who applied ED? And were accepted? You all seem very invested in keeping this crappy system.

I posted earlier: my kid applied ED and received the financial aid we expected per the NPC. Why is it a crappy system? Saved them a ton of work and stress, and the financial aid was the best among the schools we researched. It simply requires doing some homework and comparing the financial aid before deciding whether to apply early.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting read.

You can tell from the profiles of schools like the private Colorado Academy just how advantageous to the wealthy ED is. Virtually every one of the profiles of these schools report the same pattern—many graduates enrolling in second tier expensive privates more than anywhere else. In this school’s case, you see 12 enrolled at Tulane in the last 4 years, and you just know they’re all ED.

Also noteworthy that the school had 11 enroll at UVA and zero at UMD in the same time period. Clearly one has the national reach and reputation that the other lacks, the protests on this board notwithstanding.

Looked at the school profile and this must be a big deal for them. Tulane is one of the most popular colleges for Colorado Academy. A few other colleges at 12 enrolled and then only Colorado above that in terms of enrollment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can hold two thoughts in my head at once. I can recognize that people should honor their ED commitments, and I can recognize that colleges are the ones who gain the most by filling a significant % of the class through ED. The vast majority of students do not benefit from this system.

Majority of students also don't benefit from financial aid and don't benefit from having hooks. Should schools eliminate all these? ED is fine, just like giving needy families financial aid is fine. No system is fair to everyone. I cannot afford a Maserati or Porsche and am totally at peace with my inability.

I’m not in favor of systems that encourage 17 years to lock themselves into paying $$$$ without considered choice.

NPC. NPC. NPC. You just don’t like what the NPC says you owe because you don’t manage your money wisely.

[Anonymous]

I feel like posters whining about ED aren't willing to do the work for each school's NPC then compare. It's neither rocket science nor mysterious. You know ahead of time which school will give you the most aid, and you factor that into the decision-making process. The formula does NOT CHANGE whether ED or RD.

If your child doesn't have a clear first choice, why resent mine who does?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting read.

You can tell from the profiles of schools like the private Colorado Academy just how advantageous to the wealthy ED is. Virtually every one of the profiles of these schools report the same pattern—many graduates enrolling in second tier expensive privates more than anywhere else. In this school’s case, you see 12 enrolled at Tulane in the last 4 years, and you just know they’re all ED.

Also noteworthy that the school had 11 enroll at UVA and zero at UMD in the same time period. Clearly one has the national reach and reputation that the other lacks, the protests on this board notwithstanding.

Looked at the school profile and this must be a big deal for them. Tulane is one of the most popular colleges for Colorado Academy. A few other colleges at 12 enrolled and then only Colorado above that in terms of enrollment.

For them to take this step, I’m guessing it was a more systemic issue than just one kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Posters who complain about ED here want the cake and eat it too. What's why they're whining.

What does have your cake and eat it too mean in this context?

Your cake = get to ED and enjoy slight bump in admission chances

Eat it too = get to shop for merit after accepted ED

[Anonymous]

That’s it. ED is for kids who have a clear first choice. Some kids know that by September if their senior year. Hopefully they have visited the school, researched financial aid, etc. by then. The kids who are less than 100% committed to any choice should not ED, just because they’re chasing prestige and want to avoid the unpredictability of the RD lottery. It may be hard to have to wait a few more months for a college decision. It harder to have buyer’s remorse and be enrolled at a college chosen for the wrong reasons.