Do athletic recruits get decisions before ED?

[Anonymous]

Not all recruited athletes are equally dumb or equally smart. There is a lot of variety.

All recruited athletes were given an advantage in admission decisions. Where they may have been waitlisted or been close to being admitted before, the coach's thumb on the scale does un-level the playing field, and they get in because of the coach's support.

Most recruited athletes are still qualified to apply but would not be admits without their advantage from coach support. And the students go to their schools knowing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about high academic D3's? Do coaches know in advance?

Unofficially yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No athlete is accepted to a school junior year so the verbal commitments mean nothing.

Pretty sure coaches need approval from admissions to recruit. It means something; exactly what varies from school to school and with the recruit’s academic qualifications. The assumption on this thread is that athletes are stupid and have lower scores than traditional admits. Maybe in some sports, but not all

Most athletes are very smart and they have an amazing ability to balance academics and sports. I would hire a college athlete over one who wasn't any day.

And I have two college athletes. I laugh at the "I am going to Stanford to play some non-revenue sport" that is posted in September of Junior year. Recruiting has just started, coaches don't have the definite list they want to give to admissions and a lot can happen between Sept junior year and September senior year.

Also, recruits to top ranked schools usually meet the academic standards also.

Most of this post is pretty solid but this part is 100% wrong for D1 recruiting even at the high academic schools. Mine kid plays a non-revenue sport but had offers starting July of her Junior year. Continued to get more over the course of the year but schools go early and hard for their top recruits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No athlete is accepted to a school junior year so the verbal commitments mean nothing.

Pretty sure coaches need approval from admissions to recruit. It means something; exactly what varies from school to school and with the recruit’s academic qualifications. The assumption on this thread is that athletes are stupid and have lower scores than traditional admits. Maybe in some sports, but not all

Most athletes are very smart and they have an amazing ability to balance academics and sports. I would hire a college athlete over one who wasn't any day.

And I have two college athletes. I laugh at the "I am going to Stanford to play some non-revenue sport" that is posted in September of Junior year. Recruiting has just started, coaches don't have the definite list they want to give to admissions and a lot can happen between Sept junior year and September senior year.

Also, recruits to top ranked schools usually meet the academic standards also.

Most of this post is pretty solid but this part is 100% wrong for D1 recruiting even at the high academic schools. Mine kid plays a non-revenue sport but had offers starting July of her Junior year. Continued to get more over the course of the year but schools go early and hard for their top recruits.

the coaches job is to recruit and they are ever changing the list when the kids are juniors.

[Anonymous]

DIII recruit for 26 school year. Kid received an email from admissions with decision and merit offer contingent on applying ED, and remaining in good academic standing,

[Anonymous]

Again, no Junior in HS is getting an offer from the admissions department. They are getting recruited by the coaches and these coaches can suggest admissions is no issue but until they actually apply as a senior- it is still not guaranteed.

[Anonymous]

I know kids who had their offers by about March/April of Junior year. they were making decisions between schools, including MIT and Harvard football. They kids def have to commit so they schools must be giving them a pretty clear likely letter. also with NIL deals, I'm sure this has to be wrapped up pretty early now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know kids who had their offers by about March/April of Junior year. they were making decisions between schools, including MIT and Harvard football. They kids def have to commit so they schools must be giving them a pretty clear likely letter. also with NIL deals, I'm sure this has to be wrapped up pretty early now

It is a handshake agreement, there is nothing in writing. It's another reason why athletic recruiting is stressful--you are forced to put faith in the coach and withdraw from other opportunities without a written agreement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know kids who had their offers by about March/April of Junior year. they were making decisions between schools, including MIT and Harvard football. They kids def have to commit so they schools must be giving them a pretty clear likely letter. also with NIL deals, I'm sure this has to be wrapped up pretty early now

It is a handshake agreement, there is nothing in writing. It's another reason why athletic recruiting is stressful--you are forced to put faith in the coach and withdraw from other opportunities without a written agreement.

You aren’t actually forced to do any of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know kids who had their offers by about March/April of Junior year. they were making decisions between schools, including MIT and Harvard football. They kids def have to commit so they schools must be giving them a pretty clear likely letter. also with NIL deals, I'm sure this has to be wrapped up pretty early now

It is a handshake agreement, there is nothing in writing. It's another reason why athletic recruiting is stressful--you are forced to put faith in the coach and withdraw from other opportunities without a written agreement.

You aren’t actually forced to do any of it.

Right, you aren't forced to do it if you are okay with not playing your sport in college. If you want to play on a NCAA team, you are forced to do this process, because even the lowest of the D3s don't offer walk-on positions anymore. Most don't even have tryouts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No athlete is accepted to a school junior year so the verbal commitments mean nothing.

Pretty sure coaches need approval from admissions to recruit. It means something; exactly what varies from school to school and with the recruit’s academic qualifications. The assumption on this thread is that athletes are stupid and have lower scores than traditional admits. Maybe in some sports, but not all

Most athletes are very smart and they have an amazing ability to balance academics and sports. I would hire a college athlete over one who wasn't any day.

And I have two college athletes. I laugh at the "I am going to Stanford to play some non-revenue sport" that is posted in September of Junior year. Recruiting has just started, coaches don't have the definite list they want to give to admissions and a lot can happen between Sept junior year and September senior year.

Also, recruits to top ranked schools usually meet the academic standards also.

Most of this post is pretty solid but this part is 100% wrong for D1 recruiting even at the high academic schools. Mine kid plays a non-revenue sport but had offers starting July of her Junior year. Continued to get more over the course of the year but schools go early and hard for their top recruits.

the coaches job is to recruit and they are ever changing the list when the kids are juniors.

Not for top recruits. My kid had somewhere between 15 and 20 offers had high academic D3 and mid-major D1 schools. She was sometimes given a deadline by some of the D1s but nobody dropped her for another kid without trying to get a commitment instead. Kids getting offers the first week of July are in the drivers seat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not all recruited athletes are equally dumb or equally smart. There is a lot of variety.

All recruited athletes were given an advantage in admission decisions. Where they may have been waitlisted or been close to being admitted before, the coach's thumb on the scale does un-level the playing field, and they get in because of the coach's support.

Most recruited athletes are still qualified to apply but would not be admits without their advantage from coach support. And the students go to their schools knowing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No athlete is accepted to a school junior year so the verbal commitments mean nothing.

Pretty sure coaches need approval from admissions to recruit. It means something; exactly what varies from school to school and with the recruit’s academic qualifications. The assumption on this thread is that athletes are stupid and have lower scores than traditional admits. Maybe in some sports, but not all

Most athletes are very smart and they have an amazing ability to balance academics and sports. I would hire a college athlete over one who wasn't any day.

And I have two college athletes. I laugh at the "I am going to Stanford to play some non-revenue sport" that is posted in September of Junior year. Recruiting has just started, coaches don't have the definite list they want to give to admissions and a lot can happen between Sept junior year and September senior year.

Also, recruits to top ranked schools usually meet the academic standards also.

Most of this post is pretty solid but this part is 100% wrong for D1 recruiting even at the high academic schools. Mine kid plays a non-revenue sport but had offers starting July of her Junior year. Continued to get more over the course of the year but schools go early and hard for their top recruits.

the coaches job is to recruit and they are ever changing the list when the kids are juniors.

Not for top recruits. My kid had somewhere between 15 and 20 offers had high academic D3 and mid-major D1 schools. She was sometimes given a deadline by some of the D1s but nobody dropped her for another kid without trying to get a commitment instead. Kids getting offers the first week of July are in the drivers seat.

sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not all recruited athletes are equally dumb or equally smart. There is a lot of variety.

All recruited athletes were given an advantage in admission decisions. Where they may have been waitlisted or been close to being admitted before, the coach's thumb on the scale does un-level the playing field, and they get in because of the coach's support.

Most recruited athletes are still qualified to apply but would not be admits without their advantage from coach support. And the students go to their schools knowing this.

Where is your data coming from to reach your conclusion?

[Anonymous]

I follow lacrosse and know some kids who play. Many of the top recruits who are currently juniors (i.e. just started junior year) have very publicly in the last few weeks declared where they are going - fancy IG posts, etc. I'm guessing they wouldn't be doing this unless they had an almost iron clad guarantee they were in (barring them totally screwing up academically). I'm almost sure the same applies for baseball. And likely some other sports.

It is a totally different process. And it is amazing to me that admissions is willing to commit to these kids so early. I'm a huge sports fan but this is really the tail wagging the dog. This is obviously the top, top kids I am referring to but it isn't just one or two it is still a lot.