are Dartmouth and Brown easier than WASP schools?

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My kid is in the thick of applications right now. Bowdoin was slightly more selective this past year. However, Pomona and Bowdoin have the highest yield among the liberal arts colleges. I think Pomona's weather is far more appealing.

SoCal more appealing than Maine? To each their own!

There’s so much to explore in SoCal. Maine is great, but there’s not the same level of biodiversity.

It’s just the late night fictional musings of the Pomona booster. Pay no heed.
You think there’s more biodiversity to Maine than SoCal? This is really bad trolly.

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My kid is in the thick of applications right now. Bowdoin was slightly more selective this past year. However, Pomona and Bowdoin have the highest yield among the liberal arts colleges. I think Pomona's weather is far more appealing.

SoCal more appealing than Maine? To each their own!
Careful. Bowdoin has a much higher athlete percentage. Do you really want to conclude it is more selective for non-athletes? (Hint: you don’t.)

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Anonymous wrote:Is that correct? Pomona only accepts about 13% ED and Bowdoin 14%.

Yeah, which are good boosts compared to regular.

Sigh. Stop comparing apples and oranges. Normalize admit data for Bowdoin’s high athlete percentage. Surprise, surprise: Pomona is more selective.

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Anonymous wrote:The reality are all the Ivy's ae much easier once you get there than even flagship state schools.

Less classes, less expectation, no real grading, lots of fluff classes.

Ivy students take 10 less classes than students are flagship universities add in some APs and they are taking 15 less classes.

This is actually not true at all. While some ivies are known for grade inflation, others are very rigorous from a grading perspective. At Dartmouth, for example, only 4 to 8 students per year graduate with a 4.0.

This just isn't true. Why do you make things up? Dartmouth had 26 valedictorians last year (all 4.0). A total of 50 kids had a 3.99 or above (5% of the graduating class). The prior year was similar. it's all published by the college.

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Anonymous wrote:The reality are all the Ivy's ae much easier once you get there than even flagship state schools.

Less classes, less expectation, no real grading, lots of fluff classes.

Ivy students take 10 less classes than students are flagship universities add in some APs and they are taking 15 less classes.

This is actually not true at all. While some ivies are known for grade inflation, others are very rigorous from a grading perspective. At Dartmouth, for example, only 4 to 8 students per year graduate with a 4.0.

This just isn't true. Why do you make things up? Dartmouth had 26 valedictorians last year (all 4.0). A total of 50 kids had a 3.99 or above (5% of the graduating class). The prior year was similar. it's all published by the college.

At Brown, everyone has a 4.0. It is a participation trophy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reality are all the Ivy's ae much easier once you get there than even flagship state schools.

Less classes, less expectation, no real grading, lots of fluff classes.

Ivy students take 10 less classes than students are flagship universities add in some APs and they are taking 15 less classes.

This is actually not true at all. While some ivies are known for grade inflation, others are very rigorous from a grading perspective. At Dartmouth, for example, only 4 to 8 students per year graduate with a 4.0.

This just isn't true. Why do you make things up? Dartmouth had 26 valedictorians last year (all 4.0). A total of 50 kids had a 3.99 or above (5% of the graduating class). The prior year was similar. it's all published by the college.

At Brown, everyone has a 4.0. It is a participation trophy.

That is so false. Where do you people pull this recent data? Out of your @ss, I see.

They made a big change in recent years to drive down GPAs. And I don’t know how many times some clueless people tell me they do t even give grades. You can take one course p/f because they encourage exploration outside of your main area of interest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reality are all the Ivy's ae much easier once you get there than even flagship state schools.

Less classes, less expectation, no real grading, lots of fluff classes.

Ivy students take 10 less classes than students are flagship universities add in some APs and they are taking 15 less classes.

This is actually not true at all. While some ivies are known for grade inflation, others are very rigorous from a grading perspective. At Dartmouth, for example, only 4 to 8 students per year graduate with a 4.0.

This just isn't true. Why do you make things up? Dartmouth had 26 valedictorians last year (all 4.0). A total of 50 kids had a 3.99 or above (5% of the graduating class). The prior year was similar. it's all published by the college.

At Brown, everyone has a 4.0. It is a participation trophy.

That is so false. Where do you people pull this recent data? Out of your @ss, I see.

They made a big change in recent years to drive down GPAs. And I don’t know how many times some clueless people tell me they do t even give grades. You can take one course p/f because they encourage exploration outside of your main area of interest.

+1 My kid and his friends spend A LOT of time in the library. Academics are serious there. It’s an Ivy. They work for their grades and actually found some profs unbending - 0.25 point away from an “A” no bending- even with serious illness. Of course- majors play into this as well.

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Why the flex from people that they have a grind ? My kids prefer a place where it’s collaborative and learning and not suicide watch 24/7 because of pressure.

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Anonymous wrote:It fully depends on what you do as a major. I don't think a Pomona Physics major is much different from a Brown Physics major, but a Brown math major will do more work than a Pomona linguistics major.

A Pomona math major will do more work than a Brown math major, I can assure you.

This is so not true. Brown’s undergraduate applied math is generally ranked #2 or 3 and pure math 5 or 6. Pomona has one math program and it isn’t even in the top 25. Brown placed 8th in the Putnam Math Competition last year. Pomona was not even the top 25. A quick perusal of the respective course catalogs shows Brown undergraduate courses > 8x that of Pomona. Roughly 1/2 of the pure math concentrators at Brown go on to top 5 Ph.D pure math programs. You are so wildly off base about this it’s laughable.

A department’s mathematical rigor isn’t based off of Putnam- that would mean Princeton would be much worse than basically all the programs where IMO winners prefer going (aka MIT). Pomona per capita sends more students to PhD programs. I’d love to see a stat on the top 5 PhD pure math thing- it also doesn’t say how many pure math concentrators there are. Typically brown is known for applied math as you stated first.

I don’t even agree with the Other poster, But this is nonsense

Princeton actually is much worse than other schools for STEM and particularly for math. Putnam Competition is starting to reflect that. Retaining TO has really hurt their ability to attract the best STEM students. Talk to Princeton professors. Like Harvard, Princeton now offers remedial math. Its heritage as a destination for the best mathematicians and physicists has declined quite a bit, too. Princeton is much more preprofessional than say MIT, Caltech, Cornell, Brown and Columbia. Princeton has a lot of recruited lacrosse types who dabble in a few low level math courses vs. the others cited above which have a higher quotient of truly brilliant folks who go on to get PhDs. Talk to faculty.

Stupid, just stupid

Menendez of California murder fame went there! Oh the humanity..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality are all the Ivy's ae much easier once you get there than even flagship state schools.

Less classes, less expectation, no real grading, lots of fluff classes.

Ivy students take 10 less classes than students are flagship universities add in some APs and they are taking 15 less classes.

This is actually not true at all. While some ivies are known for grade inflation, others are very rigorous from a grading perspective. At Dartmouth, for example, only 4 to 8 students per year graduate with a 4.0.

This just isn't true. Why do you make things up? Dartmouth had 26 valedictorians last year (all 4.0). A total of 50 kids had a 3.99 or above (5% of the graduating class). The prior year was similar. it's all published by the college.

At Brown, everyone has a 4.0. It is a participation trophy.

Mine doesn't and was a Val at a top school. You really don't need to speak on things you don't know about. Have an opinion, but these types of comments are ridiculous and unhelpful to people.

[Anonymous]

Compared to my undergrad at Williams, a T10 med school was a walk in the park for me. However, that was decades ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is that correct? Pomona only accepts about 13% ED and Bowdoin 14%.

Yeah, which are good boosts compared to regular.

Sigh. Stop comparing apples and oranges. Normalize admit data for Bowdoin’s high athlete percentage. Surprise, surprise: Pomona is more selective.

Where do you find the data on high athlete percentage, am I missing something in the Common Data Set? Wouldn't this show up in the ED admit rate?
- parent of '27 student trying to make sense of all of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality are all the Ivy's ae much easier once you get there than even flagship state schools.

Less classes, less expectation, no real grading, lots of fluff classes.

Ivy students take 10 less classes than students are flagship universities add in some APs and they are taking 15 less classes.

This is actually not true at all. While some ivies are known for grade inflation, others are very rigorous from a grading perspective. At Dartmouth, for example, only 4 to 8 students per year graduate with a 4.0.

This just isn't true. Why do you make things up? Dartmouth had 26 valedictorians last year (all 4.0). A total of 50 kids had a 3.99 or above (5% of the graduating class). The prior year was similar. it's all published by the college.

At Brown, everyone has a 4.0. It is a participation trophy.

Mine doesn't and was a Val at a top school. You really don't need to speak on things you don't know about. Have an opinion, but these types of comments are ridiculous and unhelpful to people.

There is no such thing as a Val at a top school. Sorry your public did not compare your kid for the “rigor” of Brown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is that correct? Pomona only accepts about 13% ED and Bowdoin 14%.

Yeah, which are good boosts compared to regular.

Sigh. Stop comparing apples and oranges. Normalize admit data for Bowdoin’s high athlete percentage. Surprise, surprise: Pomona is more selective.

Where do you find the data on high athlete percentage, am I missing something in the Common Data Set? Wouldn't this show up in the ED admit rate?
- parent of '27 student trying to make sense of all of this.

Here you go: 42% of male students at Bowdoin (375/887) are athletes.
https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/details

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Son at one, best friend at the other.

Very rigorous. My son went to a really rigorous private and was very well-prepared, but he described it as 'high school was 6 hours of school and 2 hours of homework a day; college is 2-3 hours of school and 6 hours of work a day'.

That said, he is really enjoying it.

I'm going to guess WASP schools are very similar. He almost chose one over the Ivy, but liked the mid-size school vs tiny better.

All of them, B and D and WASP, prioritize undergrad learning so you can't go wrong with any of them. Focus on best fit.

Is that really a rigorous private? My sons’ school is 7 hours of school day with 3-5 hours of homework a night.

The kids who go to Chicago say it’s easier than HS. The ones who go to the HYPs say it’s a cakewalk.