But HYP is probably paying more per student. They have huge endowments for financial aid. |
Berkeley definitely has a wow factor but HYP have a bit more wow factor. |
For some OOS people in the donut hole-ish range it might be, especially if they are full pay at UCB but get some aid at HYP. But not for most. College Navigator has the data on this. Average net price: Yale: $26,044 Princeton: $19,811 Harvard: $17,900 UCB: $16,997 Average net price for those making $110,001 and more: Harvard: $53,571 Yale: $49,347 Princeton: $39,943 UCB: $35,154 The above are for people who received grants, scholarships, or aid, but we know the sticker price is also less at UCB than the others, so if you are full pay it is cheaper at UCB too. Which is a good thing, unlike those silly PPs who think lower cost is somehow indicative of low quality. |
“Wow” is not what comes to mind when I hear of a top student attending Berkeley oos. “How” is the word that comes to mind. “How” could this process have been approached differently to get a better outcome? |
Classic survey example of kids with limited experience who don’t know any better. I feel sorry for them. |
+1 |
Classic DCUM example of belief perseverance. I feel sorry for you. |
The original thread was comparing in state Berkeley with HYP. This is a legitimate comparison, and I think kids may choose one or the other depending on major, family finances etc. Cornell is a close contender for engineering and Penn is better for business, but I’d choose in state Berkeley over Columbia, Brown, Dartmouth, and Yale for STEM. Most people would choose Harvard and Princeton over Berkeley, but they all are good options and there no wrong answer. It boils down to affordability and fit. It’s a little silly to put UVA and Virginia Tech on the same level with Berkeley. |
It’s a little silly to make this about in-state and then disparage UVA. By your criterion, UVA in-state over Berkeley. But we don’t really care about cost conscious folks or your wallet: Berkeley undergrad is in no way comparable to the schools you mentioned — for most applicants. What it is comparable to is UVA. oos UVA vs. oos Berkeley, most would go with UVA and it’s far superior undergraduate experience… |
Poor people might purchase a Nissan over a BMW but that doesn’t say anything about quality. It just means that cost conscious buyers want to save money. |
Yeah but only ignorant people think that UCB is a Nissan. |
Take deep breaths, it will be okay. Your plebeian tastes for UCB and Bud Light are your choice and that is fine. |
Best schools In California for undergraduate:
Stanford Caltech Pomona Claremont McKenna Harvey Mudd USC UCLA Berkeley Well, it’s 8th best, I guess. Better than if it were in Massachusetts. |
Cut Pomona, Claremont McKenna, and Harvey Mudd. |
I would argue even Scripps and Pitzer have better education quality than UCB or UCLA. |