Berkeley vs HYP

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a graduate student then a postdoc years ago, every time I would be really annoyed when the advisor assigned an undergraduate to me. It's a liability. Was at Cal.

Or you could see it as a failed opportunity for developing your mentorship and people management skills. I bet you’re not good at those even now.

I actually had positive experiences with assigned undergrads during my doctorate. You get what you put in.

You must be joking. The advisor is just shifting their own work onto you, because they don't want to do it. As a grad student or postdoc, you have limited time and more important things to do than to deal with undergrads.

I’m not joking. That’s how you develop soft people skills, project management etc. In your career you’ll have to deal with people less knowledgeable than you are that need to be motivated and trained. You definitely missed that opportunity. Berkeley students are some of the most hard working and smart there are.

Wow you are dumb. Managing undergrads is not a skill to develop and this is not the point of grad school or a postdoc.

If you want to babysit with your free time you can find some toddlers.

You have such an overinflated sense of yourself and a demeanor that sucks. A grad student just starting is not that much better than an undergraduate. Being a mentor at all stages of one’s career is not only rewarding but also helps you grow professionally.

Wondering what kid of relation you had with your adviser, maybe you’re just modeling behavior you were exposed to. I guarantee you’re more useless to a professor when you start than those annoying undergrads were to you. Also your adviser may be looking to screen future candidates for his lab, he asks you to mentor a few students, then that’s your duty as a member of his research team to do it, not sure why you think that’s even controversial.

Mentoring undergrads is not the duty of a grad student or postdoc. Wowsers. They are funded to conduct research, submit grants, and publish papers.

For faculty, this falls more in line with their job expectations, depending on the circumstances. However, a good faculty member isn't going to weigh down their grad students and postdocs with undergrad mentoring.

Are you for real? Now graduate students expect that faculty don’t bother them with distractions? Wondering if you ever had a real job besides academia.

You got your facts wrong, the university is funded to conduct the research, the professor leads the research team and the graduate students execute the tasks. Most grants have an educational, dissemination and outreach component that your adviser committed his team to carry on. Note that he didn’t say he’ll do it himself, but his research team as a whole. The granting agency doesn’t care only about the papers, future workforce development is part of their mission, which is why congress allocates money to those agencies. But no, you can’t be bothered with that crap, cause you know better and undergrads annoy you. Seriously, just grow up.

In real life you do what the person paying your salary asks you to do.

You have no idea how the real world works. Which is why faculty have been taking advantage of you and dumping their useless work in your lap. And you take it with a smile because of how naive you are.

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Good friend is a full professor at Stanford. He is quite open that he hasn't taught an undergrad class in many years and that he has zero time for them. His view is that he is paid to run his lab, train his grad students and make money for Stanford. In his mind spending time with undergrads is a misuse money as they still have too much to learn.

That’s exactly why you assign a grad student to mentor an undergrad and a postdoc to mentor a grad student. If the group is large you don’t have the time and frankly the skill and knowledge if we’re talking about experimental work. But you still want your group to learn from each other and disseminate best practices and retain the know how once somebody is leaving. You don’t want students to figure out how to run an assay from the kit instructions when there’s a group member that did it hundreds of times. It’s like you know nothing about managing a group of people.

I run a group of well over 100 people in a major tech company. I am paid well over 7 figures a year to do it. My professor friend has built and sold two companies while at Stanford and is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm pretty sure that we both know quite a bit more about managing large teams than you do.

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a graduate student then a postdoc years ago, every time I would be really annoyed when the advisor assigned an undergraduate to me. It's a liability. Was at Cal.

Or you could see it as a failed opportunity for developing your mentorship and people management skills. I bet you’re not good at those even now.

I actually had positive experiences with assigned undergrads during my doctorate. You get what you put in.

You must be joking. The advisor is just shifting their own work onto you, because they don't want to do it. As a grad student or postdoc, you have limited time and more important things to do than to deal with undergrads.

I’m not joking. That’s how you develop soft people skills, project management etc. In your career you’ll have to deal with people less knowledgeable than you are that need to be motivated and trained. You definitely missed that opportunity. Berkeley students are some of the most hard working and smart there are.

Wow you are dumb. Managing undergrads is not a skill to develop and this is not the point of grad school or a postdoc.

If you want to babysit with your free time you can find some toddlers.

You have such an overinflated sense of yourself and a demeanor that sucks. A grad student just starting is not that much better than an undergraduate. Being a mentor at all stages of one’s career is not only rewarding but also helps you grow professionally.

Wondering what kid of relation you had with your adviser, maybe you’re just modeling behavior you were exposed to. I guarantee you’re more useless to a professor when you start than those annoying undergrads were to you. Also your adviser may be looking to screen future candidates for his lab, he asks you to mentor a few students, then that’s your duty as a member of his research team to do it, not sure why you think that’s even controversial.

Mentoring undergrads is not the duty of a grad student or postdoc. Wowsers. They are funded to conduct research, submit grants, and publish papers.

For faculty, this falls more in line with their job expectations, depending on the circumstances. However, a good faculty member isn't going to weigh down their grad students and postdocs with undergrad mentoring.

Are you for real? Now graduate students expect that faculty don’t bother them with distractions? Wondering if you ever had a real job besides academia.

You got your facts wrong, the university is funded to conduct the research, the professor leads the research team and the graduate students execute the tasks. Most grants have an educational, dissemination and outreach component that your adviser committed his team to carry on. Note that he didn’t say he’ll do it himself, but his research team as a whole. The granting agency doesn’t care only about the papers, future workforce development is part of their mission, which is why congress allocates money to those agencies. But no, you can’t be bothered with that crap, cause you know better and undergrads annoy you. Seriously, just grow up.

In real life you do what the person paying your salary asks you to do.

You have no idea how the real world works. Which is why faculty have been taking advantage of you and dumping their useless work in your lap. And you take it with a smile because of how naive you are.

+1

Good friend is a full professor at Stanford. He is quite open that he hasn't taught an undergrad class in many years and that he has zero time for them. His view is that he is paid to run his lab, train his grad students and make money for Stanford. In his mind spending time with undergrads is a misuse money as they still have too much to learn.

That’s exactly why you assign a grad student to mentor an undergrad and a postdoc to mentor a grad student. If the group is large you don’t have the time and frankly the skill and knowledge if we’re talking about experimental work. But you still want your group to learn from each other and disseminate best practices and retain the know how once somebody is leaving. You don’t want students to figure out how to run an assay from the kit instructions when there’s a group member that did it hundreds of times. It’s like you know nothing about managing a group of people.

I run a group of well over 100 people in a major tech company. I am paid well over 7 figures a year to do it. My professor friend has built and sold two companies while at Stanford and is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm pretty sure that we both know quite a bit more about managing large teams than you do.

Can the 2 of you, as they say on work Zoom calls, take this off-line?

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a graduate student then a postdoc years ago, every time I would be really annoyed when the advisor assigned an undergraduate to me. It's a liability. Was at Cal.

Or you could see it as a failed opportunity for developing your mentorship and people management skills. I bet you’re not good at those even now.

I actually had positive experiences with assigned undergrads during my doctorate. You get what you put in.

You must be joking. The advisor is just shifting their own work onto you, because they don't want to do it. As a grad student or postdoc, you have limited time and more important things to do than to deal with undergrads.

I’m not joking. That’s how you develop soft people skills, project management etc. In your career you’ll have to deal with people less knowledgeable than you are that need to be motivated and trained. You definitely missed that opportunity. Berkeley students are some of the most hard working and smart there are.

Wow you are dumb. Managing undergrads is not a skill to develop and this is not the point of grad school or a postdoc.

If you want to babysit with your free time you can find some toddlers.

You have such an overinflated sense of yourself and a demeanor that sucks. A grad student just starting is not that much better than an undergraduate. Being a mentor at all stages of one’s career is not only rewarding but also helps you grow professionally.

Wondering what kid of relation you had with your adviser, maybe you’re just modeling behavior you were exposed to. I guarantee you’re more useless to a professor when you start than those annoying undergrads were to you. Also your adviser may be looking to screen future candidates for his lab, he asks you to mentor a few students, then that’s your duty as a member of his research team to do it, not sure why you think that’s even controversial.

Mentoring undergrads is not the duty of a grad student or postdoc. Wowsers. They are funded to conduct research, submit grants, and publish papers.

For faculty, this falls more in line with their job expectations, depending on the circumstances. However, a good faculty member isn't going to weigh down their grad students and postdocs with undergrad mentoring.

Are you for real? Now graduate students expect that faculty don’t bother them with distractions? Wondering if you ever had a real job besides academia.

You got your facts wrong, the university is funded to conduct the research, the professor leads the research team and the graduate students execute the tasks. Most grants have an educational, dissemination and outreach component that your adviser committed his team to carry on. Note that he didn’t say he’ll do it himself, but his research team as a whole. The granting agency doesn’t care only about the papers, future workforce development is part of their mission, which is why congress allocates money to those agencies. But no, you can’t be bothered with that crap, cause you know better and undergrads annoy you. Seriously, just grow up.

In real life you do what the person paying your salary asks you to do.

You have no idea how the real world works. Which is why faculty have been taking advantage of you and dumping their useless work in your lap. And you take it with a smile because of how naive you are.

+1

Good friend is a full professor at Stanford. He is quite open that he hasn't taught an undergrad class in many years and that he has zero time for them. His view is that he is paid to run his lab, train his grad students and make money for Stanford. In his mind spending time with undergrads is a misuse money as they still have too much to learn.

That’s exactly why you assign a grad student to mentor an undergrad and a postdoc to mentor a grad student. If the group is large you don’t have the time and frankly the skill and knowledge if we’re talking about experimental work. But you still want your group to learn from each other and disseminate best practices and retain the know how once somebody is leaving. You don’t want students to figure out how to run an assay from the kit instructions when there’s a group member that did it hundreds of times. It’s like you know nothing about managing a group of people.

No faculty with a serious research program is going to do this. The loweset level trainee in the lab is a grad student. Going below that is a sign of problems. Furthermore, your faculty member was clearly dumping undesirable work on you, in addition to dipping below the bottom for trainees.

This seriously depends on the lab. Computational-based labs tends to be way more open to undergraduate research than wet labs.

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a graduate student then a postdoc years ago, every time I would be really annoyed when the advisor assigned an undergraduate to me. It's a liability. Was at Cal.

Or you could see it as a failed opportunity for developing your mentorship and people management skills. I bet you’re not good at those even now.

I actually had positive experiences with assigned undergrads during my doctorate. You get what you put in.

You must be joking. The advisor is just shifting their own work onto you, because they don't want to do it. As a grad student or postdoc, you have limited time and more important things to do than to deal with undergrads.

I’m not joking. That’s how you develop soft people skills, project management etc. In your career you’ll have to deal with people less knowledgeable than you are that need to be motivated and trained. You definitely missed that opportunity. Berkeley students are some of the most hard working and smart there are.

Wow you are dumb. Managing undergrads is not a skill to develop and this is not the point of grad school or a postdoc.

If you want to babysit with your free time you can find some toddlers.

You have such an overinflated sense of yourself and a demeanor that sucks. A grad student just starting is not that much better than an undergraduate. Being a mentor at all stages of one’s career is not only rewarding but also helps you grow professionally.

Wondering what kid of relation you had with your adviser, maybe you’re just modeling behavior you were exposed to. I guarantee you’re more useless to a professor when you start than those annoying undergrads were to you. Also your adviser may be looking to screen future candidates for his lab, he asks you to mentor a few students, then that’s your duty as a member of his research team to do it, not sure why you think that’s even controversial.

Mentoring undergrads is not the duty of a grad student or postdoc. Wowsers. They are funded to conduct research, submit grants, and publish papers.

For faculty, this falls more in line with their job expectations, depending on the circumstances. However, a good faculty member isn't going to weigh down their grad students and postdocs with undergrad mentoring.

Are you for real? Now graduate students expect that faculty don’t bother them with distractions? Wondering if you ever had a real job besides academia.

You got your facts wrong, the university is funded to conduct the research, the professor leads the research team and the graduate students execute the tasks. Most grants have an educational, dissemination and outreach component that your adviser committed his team to carry on. Note that he didn’t say he’ll do it himself, but his research team as a whole. The granting agency doesn’t care only about the papers, future workforce development is part of their mission, which is why congress allocates money to those agencies. But no, you can’t be bothered with that crap, cause you know better and undergrads annoy you. Seriously, just grow up.

In real life you do what the person paying your salary asks you to do.

You have no idea how the real world works. Which is why faculty have been taking advantage of you and dumping their useless work in your lap. And you take it with a smile because of how naive you are.

+1

Good friend is a full professor at Stanford. He is quite open that he hasn't taught an undergrad class in many years and that he has zero time for them. His view is that he is paid to run his lab, train his grad students and make money for Stanford. In his mind spending time with undergrads is a misuse money as they still have too much to learn.

That’s exactly why you assign a grad student to mentor an undergrad and a postdoc to mentor a grad student. If the group is large you don’t have the time and frankly the skill and knowledge if we’re talking about experimental work. But you still want your group to learn from each other and disseminate best practices and retain the know how once somebody is leaving. You don’t want students to figure out how to run an assay from the kit instructions when there’s a group member that did it hundreds of times. It’s like you know nothing about managing a group of people.

I run a group of well over 100 people in a major tech company. I am paid well over 7 figures a year to do it. My professor friend has built and sold two companies while at Stanford and is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm pretty sure that we both know quite a bit more about managing large teams than you do.

Can the 2 of you, as they say on work Zoom calls, take this off-line?

No, this slow motion train wreck of neurotics is my mental break from the real world. I feel better about life after every visit.

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a graduate student then a postdoc years ago, every time I would be really annoyed when the advisor assigned an undergraduate to me. It's a liability. Was at Cal.

Or you could see it as a failed opportunity for developing your mentorship and people management skills. I bet you’re not good at those even now.

I actually had positive experiences with assigned undergrads during my doctorate. You get what you put in.

You must be joking. The advisor is just shifting their own work onto you, because they don't want to do it. As a grad student or postdoc, you have limited time and more important things to do than to deal with undergrads.

I’m not joking. That’s how you develop soft people skills, project management etc. In your career you’ll have to deal with people less knowledgeable than you are that need to be motivated and trained. You definitely missed that opportunity. Berkeley students are some of the most hard working and smart there are.

Wow you are dumb. Managing undergrads is not a skill to develop and this is not the point of grad school or a postdoc.

If you want to babysit with your free time you can find some toddlers.

You have such an overinflated sense of yourself and a demeanor that sucks. A grad student just starting is not that much better than an undergraduate. Being a mentor at all stages of one’s career is not only rewarding but also helps you grow professionally.

Wondering what kid of relation you had with your adviser, maybe you’re just modeling behavior you were exposed to. I guarantee you’re more useless to a professor when you start than those annoying undergrads were to you. Also your adviser may be looking to screen future candidates for his lab, he asks you to mentor a few students, then that’s your duty as a member of his research team to do it, not sure why you think that’s even controversial.

Mentoring undergrads is not the duty of a grad student or postdoc. Wowsers. They are funded to conduct research, submit grants, and publish papers.

For faculty, this falls more in line with their job expectations, depending on the circumstances. However, a good faculty member isn't going to weigh down their grad students and postdocs with undergrad mentoring.

Are you for real? Now graduate students expect that faculty don’t bother them with distractions? Wondering if you ever had a real job besides academia.

You got your facts wrong, the university is funded to conduct the research, the professor leads the research team and the graduate students execute the tasks. Most grants have an educational, dissemination and outreach component that your adviser committed his team to carry on. Note that he didn’t say he’ll do it himself, but his research team as a whole. The granting agency doesn’t care only about the papers, future workforce development is part of their mission, which is why congress allocates money to those agencies. But no, you can’t be bothered with that crap, cause you know better and undergrads annoy you. Seriously, just grow up.

In real life you do what the person paying your salary asks you to do.

You have no idea how the real world works. Which is why faculty have been taking advantage of you and dumping their useless work in your lap. And you take it with a smile because of how naive you are.

+1

Good friend is a full professor at Stanford. He is quite open that he hasn't taught an undergrad class in many years and that he has zero time for them. His view is that he is paid to run his lab, train his grad students and make money for Stanford. In his mind spending time with undergrads is a misuse money as they still have too much to learn.

That’s exactly why you assign a grad student to mentor an undergrad and a postdoc to mentor a grad student. If the group is large you don’t have the time and frankly the skill and knowledge if we’re talking about experimental work. But you still want your group to learn from each other and disseminate best practices and retain the know how once somebody is leaving. You don’t want students to figure out how to run an assay from the kit instructions when there’s a group member that did it hundreds of times. It’s like you know nothing about managing a group of people.

I run a group of well over 100 people in a major tech company. I am paid well over 7 figures a year to do it. My professor friend has built and sold two companies while at Stanford and is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm pretty sure that we both know quite a bit more about managing large teams than you do.

I thought you were faculty of a top 3 medical school. Did you also win the Nobel prize? Regardless, you’re not worth engaging, bye.

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a graduate student then a postdoc years ago, every time I would be really annoyed when the advisor assigned an undergraduate to me. It's a liability. Was at Cal.

Or you could see it as a failed opportunity for developing your mentorship and people management skills. I bet you’re not good at those even now.

I actually had positive experiences with assigned undergrads during my doctorate. You get what you put in.

You must be joking. The advisor is just shifting their own work onto you, because they don't want to do it. As a grad student or postdoc, you have limited time and more important things to do than to deal with undergrads.

I’m not joking. That’s how you develop soft people skills, project management etc. In your career you’ll have to deal with people less knowledgeable than you are that need to be motivated and trained. You definitely missed that opportunity. Berkeley students are some of the most hard working and smart there are.

Wow you are dumb. Managing undergrads is not a skill to develop and this is not the point of grad school or a postdoc.

If you want to babysit with your free time you can find some toddlers.

You have such an overinflated sense of yourself and a demeanor that sucks. A grad student just starting is not that much better than an undergraduate. Being a mentor at all stages of one’s career is not only rewarding but also helps you grow professionally.

Wondering what kid of relation you had with your adviser, maybe you’re just modeling behavior you were exposed to. I guarantee you’re more useless to a professor when you start than those annoying undergrads were to you. Also your adviser may be looking to screen future candidates for his lab, he asks you to mentor a few students, then that’s your duty as a member of his research team to do it, not sure why you think that’s even controversial.

Mentoring undergrads is not the duty of a grad student or postdoc. Wowsers. They are funded to conduct research, submit grants, and publish papers.

For faculty, this falls more in line with their job expectations, depending on the circumstances. However, a good faculty member isn't going to weigh down their grad students and postdocs with undergrad mentoring.

Are you for real? Now graduate students expect that faculty don’t bother them with distractions? Wondering if you ever had a real job besides academia.

You got your facts wrong, the university is funded to conduct the research, the professor leads the research team and the graduate students execute the tasks. Most grants have an educational, dissemination and outreach component that your adviser committed his team to carry on. Note that he didn’t say he’ll do it himself, but his research team as a whole. The granting agency doesn’t care only about the papers, future workforce development is part of their mission, which is why congress allocates money to those agencies. But no, you can’t be bothered with that crap, cause you know better and undergrads annoy you. Seriously, just grow up.

In real life you do what the person paying your salary asks you to do.

You have no idea how the real world works. Which is why faculty have been taking advantage of you and dumping their useless work in your lap. And you take it with a smile because of how naive you are.

+1

Good friend is a full professor at Stanford. He is quite open that he hasn't taught an undergrad class in many years and that he has zero time for them. His view is that he is paid to run his lab, train his grad students and make money for Stanford. In his mind spending time with undergrads is a misuse money as they still have too much to learn.

That’s exactly why you assign a grad student to mentor an undergrad and a postdoc to mentor a grad student. If the group is large you don’t have the time and frankly the skill and knowledge if we’re talking about experimental work. But you still want your group to learn from each other and disseminate best practices and retain the know how once somebody is leaving. You don’t want students to figure out how to run an assay from the kit instructions when there’s a group member that did it hundreds of times. It’s like you know nothing about managing a group of people.

No faculty with a serious research program is going to do this. The loweset level trainee in the lab is a grad student. Going below that is a sign of problems. Furthermore, your faculty member was clearly dumping undesirable work on you, in addition to dipping below the bottom for trainees.

This seriously depends on the lab. Computational-based labs tends to be way more open to undergraduate research than wet labs.

While that is true, you would still have difficulty entering a serious computational focused lab as an undergrad. The lowest level most are willing to work with is a grad student if they have adequate funding.

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a graduate student then a postdoc years ago, every time I would be really annoyed when the advisor assigned an undergraduate to me. It's a liability. Was at Cal.

Or you could see it as a failed opportunity for developing your mentorship and people management skills. I bet you’re not good at those even now.

I actually had positive experiences with assigned undergrads during my doctorate. You get what you put in.

You must be joking. The advisor is just shifting their own work onto you, because they don't want to do it. As a grad student or postdoc, you have limited time and more important things to do than to deal with undergrads.

I’m not joking. That’s how you develop soft people skills, project management etc. In your career you’ll have to deal with people less knowledgeable than you are that need to be motivated and trained. You definitely missed that opportunity. Berkeley students are some of the most hard working and smart there are.

Wow you are dumb. Managing undergrads is not a skill to develop and this is not the point of grad school or a postdoc.

If you want to babysit with your free time you can find some toddlers.

You have such an overinflated sense of yourself and a demeanor that sucks. A grad student just starting is not that much better than an undergraduate. Being a mentor at all stages of one’s career is not only rewarding but also helps you grow professionally.

Wondering what kid of relation you had with your adviser, maybe you’re just modeling behavior you were exposed to. I guarantee you’re more useless to a professor when you start than those annoying undergrads were to you. Also your adviser may be looking to screen future candidates for his lab, he asks you to mentor a few students, then that’s your duty as a member of his research team to do it, not sure why you think that’s even controversial.

Mentoring undergrads is not the duty of a grad student or postdoc. Wowsers. They are funded to conduct research, submit grants, and publish papers.

For faculty, this falls more in line with their job expectations, depending on the circumstances. However, a good faculty member isn't going to weigh down their grad students and postdocs with undergrad mentoring.

Are you for real? Now graduate students expect that faculty don’t bother them with distractions? Wondering if you ever had a real job besides academia.

You got your facts wrong, the university is funded to conduct the research, the professor leads the research team and the graduate students execute the tasks. Most grants have an educational, dissemination and outreach component that your adviser committed his team to carry on. Note that he didn’t say he’ll do it himself, but his research team as a whole. The granting agency doesn’t care only about the papers, future workforce development is part of their mission, which is why congress allocates money to those agencies. But no, you can’t be bothered with that crap, cause you know better and undergrads annoy you. Seriously, just grow up.

In real life you do what the person paying your salary asks you to do.

This is the most idiotic argument bullcrap. Did educational component mandate the whole research team to train an undergraduate? Educational component can take so many forms, including educating a graduate student or training a postdoc. Publishing a research article or a review article, another form of educational component. So many labs don't even take any undergraduates, did they violate the grant clause?

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a graduate student then a postdoc years ago, every time I would be really annoyed when the advisor assigned an undergraduate to me. It's a liability. Was at Cal.

Or you could see it as a failed opportunity for developing your mentorship and people management skills. I bet you’re not good at those even now.

I actually had positive experiences with assigned undergrads during my doctorate. You get what you put in.

You must be joking. The advisor is just shifting their own work onto you, because they don't want to do it. As a grad student or postdoc, you have limited time and more important things to do than to deal with undergrads.

I’m not joking. That’s how you develop soft people skills, project management etc. In your career you’ll have to deal with people less knowledgeable than you are that need to be motivated and trained. You definitely missed that opportunity. Berkeley students are some of the most hard working and smart there are.

Wow you are dumb. Managing undergrads is not a skill to develop and this is not the point of grad school or a postdoc.

If you want to babysit with your free time you can find some toddlers.

You have such an overinflated sense of yourself and a demeanor that sucks. A grad student just starting is not that much better than an undergraduate. Being a mentor at all stages of one’s career is not only rewarding but also helps you grow professionally.

Wondering what kid of relation you had with your adviser, maybe you’re just modeling behavior you were exposed to. I guarantee you’re more useless to a professor when you start than those annoying undergrads were to you. Also your adviser may be looking to screen future candidates for his lab, he asks you to mentor a few students, then that’s your duty as a member of his research team to do it, not sure why you think that’s even controversial.

Mentoring undergrads is not the duty of a grad student or postdoc. Wowsers. They are funded to conduct research, submit grants, and publish papers.

For faculty, this falls more in line with their job expectations, depending on the circumstances. However, a good faculty member isn't going to weigh down their grad students and postdocs with undergrad mentoring.

Are you for real? Now graduate students expect that faculty don’t bother them with distractions? Wondering if you ever had a real job besides academia.

You got your facts wrong, the university is funded to conduct the research, the professor leads the research team and the graduate students execute the tasks. Most grants have an educational, dissemination and outreach component that your adviser committed his team to carry on. Note that he didn’t say he’ll do it himself, but his research team as a whole. The granting agency doesn’t care only about the papers, future workforce development is part of their mission, which is why congress allocates money to those agencies. But no, you can’t be bothered with that crap, cause you know better and undergrads annoy you. Seriously, just grow up.

In real life you do what the person paying your salary asks you to do.

You have no idea how the real world works. Which is why faculty have been taking advantage of you and dumping their useless work in your lap. And you take it with a smile because of how naive you are.

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Good friend is a full professor at Stanford. He is quite open that he hasn't taught an undergrad class in many years and that he has zero time for them. His view is that he is paid to run his lab, train his grad students and make money for Stanford. In his mind spending time with undergrads is a misuse money as they still have too much to learn.

That’s exactly why you assign a grad student to mentor an undergrad and a postdoc to mentor a grad student. If the group is large you don’t have the time and frankly the skill and knowledge if we’re talking about experimental work. But you still want your group to learn from each other and disseminate best practices and retain the know how once somebody is leaving. You don’t want students to figure out how to run an assay from the kit instructions when there’s a group member that did it hundreds of times. It’s like you know nothing about managing a group of people.

I run a group of well over 100 people in a major tech company. I am paid well over 7 figures a year to do it. My professor friend has built and sold two companies while at Stanford and is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm pretty sure that we both know quite a bit more about managing large teams than you do.

Everyone is so accomplished on DCUM!

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a graduate student then a postdoc years ago, every time I would be really annoyed when the advisor assigned an undergraduate to me. It's a liability. Was at Cal.

Or you could see it as a failed opportunity for developing your mentorship and people management skills. I bet you’re not good at those even now.

I actually had positive experiences with assigned undergrads during my doctorate. You get what you put in.

You must be joking. The advisor is just shifting their own work onto you, because they don't want to do it. As a grad student or postdoc, you have limited time and more important things to do than to deal with undergrads.

I’m not joking. That’s how you develop soft people skills, project management etc. In your career you’ll have to deal with people less knowledgeable than you are that need to be motivated and trained. You definitely missed that opportunity. Berkeley students are some of the most hard working and smart there are.

Wow you are dumb. Managing undergrads is not a skill to develop and this is not the point of grad school or a postdoc.

If you want to babysit with your free time you can find some toddlers.

You have such an overinflated sense of yourself and a demeanor that sucks. A grad student just starting is not that much better than an undergraduate. Being a mentor at all stages of one’s career is not only rewarding but also helps you grow professionally.

Wondering what kid of relation you had with your adviser, maybe you’re just modeling behavior you were exposed to. I guarantee you’re more useless to a professor when you start than those annoying undergrads were to you. Also your adviser may be looking to screen future candidates for his lab, he asks you to mentor a few students, then that’s your duty as a member of his research team to do it, not sure why you think that’s even controversial.

Mentoring undergrads is not the duty of a grad student or postdoc. Wowsers. They are funded to conduct research, submit grants, and publish papers.

For faculty, this falls more in line with their job expectations, depending on the circumstances. However, a good faculty member isn't going to weigh down their grad students and postdocs with undergrad mentoring.

Are you for real? Now graduate students expect that faculty don’t bother them with distractions? Wondering if you ever had a real job besides academia.

You got your facts wrong, the university is funded to conduct the research, the professor leads the research team and the graduate students execute the tasks. Most grants have an educational, dissemination and outreach component that your adviser committed his team to carry on. Note that he didn’t say he’ll do it himself, but his research team as a whole. The granting agency doesn’t care only about the papers, future workforce development is part of their mission, which is why congress allocates money to those agencies. But no, you can’t be bothered with that crap, cause you know better and undergrads annoy you. Seriously, just grow up.

In real life you do what the person paying your salary asks you to do.

You have no idea how the real world works. Which is why faculty have been taking advantage of you and dumping their useless work in your lap. And you take it with a smile because of how naive you are.

+1

Good friend is a full professor at Stanford. He is quite open that he hasn't taught an undergrad class in many years and that he has zero time for them. His view is that he is paid to run his lab, train his grad students and make money for Stanford. In his mind spending time with undergrads is a misuse money as they still have too much to learn.

That’s exactly why you assign a grad student to mentor an undergrad and a postdoc to mentor a grad student. If the group is large you don’t have the time and frankly the skill and knowledge if we’re talking about experimental work. But you still want your group to learn from each other and disseminate best practices and retain the know how once somebody is leaving. You don’t want students to figure out how to run an assay from the kit instructions when there’s a group member that did it hundreds of times. It’s like you know nothing about managing a group of people.

I run a group of well over 100 people in a major tech company. I am paid well over 7 figures a year to do it. My professor friend has built and sold two companies while at Stanford and is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm pretty sure that we both know quite a bit more about managing large teams than you do.

I thought you were faculty of a top 3 medical school. Did you also win the Nobel prize? Regardless, you’re not worth engaging, bye.

Never been anywhere near med school and have never mentioned med school. I suspect some defective thinking on your part.

This is what I love about this site. People like yourself who are inherently jealous get butthurt and resentful of the successful. I have no reason to lie, it's an anonymous site. I've done enough and seen enough that I have things worth sharing besides the insecurities that so many too out here. And I definitely have nothing to prove to an anonymous audience.

There is another thread about people paying $40K for College Counselors. It is very apparent if you read that thread that there are far more 1% income/NW or Income and Net worth chiming in on this site than one might think. Keep eating your jealousy and bitterness, you will get exactly what you deserve.

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a graduate student then a postdoc years ago, every time I would be really annoyed when the advisor assigned an undergraduate to me. It's a liability. Was at Cal.

Or you could see it as a failed opportunity for developing your mentorship and people management skills. I bet you’re not good at those even now.

I actually had positive experiences with assigned undergrads during my doctorate. You get what you put in.

You must be joking. The advisor is just shifting their own work onto you, because they don't want to do it. As a grad student or postdoc, you have limited time and more important things to do than to deal with undergrads.

I’m not joking. That’s how you develop soft people skills, project management etc. In your career you’ll have to deal with people less knowledgeable than you are that need to be motivated and trained. You definitely missed that opportunity. Berkeley students are some of the most hard working and smart there are.

Wow you are dumb. Managing undergrads is not a skill to develop and this is not the point of grad school or a postdoc.

If you want to babysit with your free time you can find some toddlers.

You have such an overinflated sense of yourself and a demeanor that sucks. A grad student just starting is not that much better than an undergraduate. Being a mentor at all stages of one’s career is not only rewarding but also helps you grow professionally.

Wondering what kid of relation you had with your adviser, maybe you’re just modeling behavior you were exposed to. I guarantee you’re more useless to a professor when you start than those annoying undergrads were to you. Also your adviser may be looking to screen future candidates for his lab, he asks you to mentor a few students, then that’s your duty as a member of his research team to do it, not sure why you think that’s even controversial.

Mentoring undergrads is not the duty of a grad student or postdoc. Wowsers. They are funded to conduct research, submit grants, and publish papers.

For faculty, this falls more in line with their job expectations, depending on the circumstances. However, a good faculty member isn't going to weigh down their grad students and postdocs with undergrad mentoring.

Are you for real? Now graduate students expect that faculty don’t bother them with distractions? Wondering if you ever had a real job besides academia.

You got your facts wrong, the university is funded to conduct the research, the professor leads the research team and the graduate students execute the tasks. Most grants have an educational, dissemination and outreach component that your adviser committed his team to carry on. Note that he didn’t say he’ll do it himself, but his research team as a whole. The granting agency doesn’t care only about the papers, future workforce development is part of their mission, which is why congress allocates money to those agencies. But no, you can’t be bothered with that crap, cause you know better and undergrads annoy you. Seriously, just grow up.

In real life you do what the person paying your salary asks you to do.

You have no idea how the real world works. Which is why faculty have been taking advantage of you and dumping their useless work in your lap. And you take it with a smile because of how naive you are.

+1

Good friend is a full professor at Stanford. He is quite open that he hasn't taught an undergrad class in many years and that he has zero time for them. His view is that he is paid to run his lab, train his grad students and make money for Stanford. In his mind spending time with undergrads is a misuse money as they still have too much to learn.

That’s exactly why you assign a grad student to mentor an undergrad and a postdoc to mentor a grad student. If the group is large you don’t have the time and frankly the skill and knowledge if we’re talking about experimental work. But you still want your group to learn from each other and disseminate best practices and retain the know how once somebody is leaving. You don’t want students to figure out how to run an assay from the kit instructions when there’s a group member that did it hundreds of times. It’s like you know nothing about managing a group of people.

I run a group of well over 100 people in a major tech company. I am paid well over 7 figures a year to do it. My professor friend has built and sold two companies while at Stanford and is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm pretty sure that we both know quite a bit more about managing large teams than you do.

Can the 2 of you, as they say on work Zoom calls, take this off-line?

No, this slow motion train wreck of neurotics is my mental break from the real world. I feel better about life after every visit.

Lol this.

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a graduate student then a postdoc years ago, every time I would be really annoyed when the advisor assigned an undergraduate to me. It's a liability. Was at Cal.

Or you could see it as a failed opportunity for developing your mentorship and people management skills. I bet you’re not good at those even now.

I actually had positive experiences with assigned undergrads during my doctorate. You get what you put in.

You must be joking. The advisor is just shifting their own work onto you, because they don't want to do it. As a grad student or postdoc, you have limited time and more important things to do than to deal with undergrads.

I’m not joking. That’s how you develop soft people skills, project management etc. In your career you’ll have to deal with people less knowledgeable than you are that need to be motivated and trained. You definitely missed that opportunity. Berkeley students are some of the most hard working and smart there are.

Wow you are dumb. Managing undergrads is not a skill to develop and this is not the point of grad school or a postdoc.

If you want to babysit with your free time you can find some toddlers.

You have such an overinflated sense of yourself and a demeanor that sucks. A grad student just starting is not that much better than an undergraduate. Being a mentor at all stages of one’s career is not only rewarding but also helps you grow professionally.

Wondering what kid of relation you had with your adviser, maybe you’re just modeling behavior you were exposed to. I guarantee you’re more useless to a professor when you start than those annoying undergrads were to you. Also your adviser may be looking to screen future candidates for his lab, he asks you to mentor a few students, then that’s your duty as a member of his research team to do it, not sure why you think that’s even controversial.

Mentoring undergrads is not the duty of a grad student or postdoc. Wowsers. They are funded to conduct research, submit grants, and publish papers.

For faculty, this falls more in line with their job expectations, depending on the circumstances. However, a good faculty member isn't going to weigh down their grad students and postdocs with undergrad mentoring.

Are you for real? Now graduate students expect that faculty don’t bother them with distractions? Wondering if you ever had a real job besides academia.

You got your facts wrong, the university is funded to conduct the research, the professor leads the research team and the graduate students execute the tasks. Most grants have an educational, dissemination and outreach component that your adviser committed his team to carry on. Note that he didn’t say he’ll do it himself, but his research team as a whole. The granting agency doesn’t care only about the papers, future workforce development is part of their mission, which is why congress allocates money to those agencies. But no, you can’t be bothered with that crap, cause you know better and undergrads annoy you. Seriously, just grow up.

In real life you do what the person paying your salary asks you to do.

You have no idea how the real world works. Which is why faculty have been taking advantage of you and dumping their useless work in your lap. And you take it with a smile because of how naive you are.

+1

Good friend is a full professor at Stanford. He is quite open that he hasn't taught an undergrad class in many years and that he has zero time for them. His view is that he is paid to run his lab, train his grad students and make money for Stanford. In his mind spending time with undergrads is a misuse money as they still have too much to learn.

That’s exactly why you assign a grad student to mentor an undergrad and a postdoc to mentor a grad student. If the group is large you don’t have the time and frankly the skill and knowledge if we’re talking about experimental work. But you still want your group to learn from each other and disseminate best practices and retain the know how once somebody is leaving. You don’t want students to figure out how to run an assay from the kit instructions when there’s a group member that did it hundreds of times. It’s like you know nothing about managing a group of people.

I run a group of well over 100 people in a major tech company. I am paid well over 7 figures a year to do it. My professor friend has built and sold two companies while at Stanford and is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm pretty sure that we both know quite a bit more about managing large teams than you do.

I thought you were faculty of a top 3 medical school. Did you also win the Nobel prize? Regardless, you’re not worth engaging, bye.

Never been anywhere near med school and have never mentioned med school. I suspect some defective thinking on your part.

This is what I love about this site. People like yourself who are inherently jealous get butthurt and resentful of the successful. I have no reason to lie, it's an anonymous site. I've done enough and seen enough that I have things worth sharing besides the insecurities that so many too out here. And I definitely have nothing to prove to an anonymous audience.

There is another thread about people paying $40K for College Counselors. It is very apparent if you read that thread that there are far more 1% income/NW or Income and Net worth chiming in on this site than one might think. Keep eating your jealousy and bitterness, you will get exactly what you deserve.

Honey, are you ok?

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a graduate student then a postdoc years ago, every time I would be really annoyed when the advisor assigned an undergraduate to me. It's a liability. Was at Cal.

Or you could see it as a failed opportunity for developing your mentorship and people management skills. I bet you’re not good at those even now.

I actually had positive experiences with assigned undergrads during my doctorate. You get what you put in.

You must be joking. The advisor is just shifting their own work onto you, because they don't want to do it. As a grad student or postdoc, you have limited time and more important things to do than to deal with undergrads.

I’m not joking. That’s how you develop soft people skills, project management etc. In your career you’ll have to deal with people less knowledgeable than you are that need to be motivated and trained. You definitely missed that opportunity. Berkeley students are some of the most hard working and smart there are.

Wow you are dumb. Managing undergrads is not a skill to develop and this is not the point of grad school or a postdoc.

If you want to babysit with your free time you can find some toddlers.

You have such an overinflated sense of yourself and a demeanor that sucks. A grad student just starting is not that much better than an undergraduate. Being a mentor at all stages of one’s career is not only rewarding but also helps you grow professionally.

Wondering what kid of relation you had with your adviser, maybe you’re just modeling behavior you were exposed to. I guarantee you’re more useless to a professor when you start than those annoying undergrads were to you. Also your adviser may be looking to screen future candidates for his lab, he asks you to mentor a few students, then that’s your duty as a member of his research team to do it, not sure why you think that’s even controversial.

Mentoring undergrads is not the duty of a grad student or postdoc. Wowsers. They are funded to conduct research, submit grants, and publish papers.

For faculty, this falls more in line with their job expectations, depending on the circumstances. However, a good faculty member isn't going to weigh down their grad students and postdocs with undergrad mentoring.

Are you for real? Now graduate students expect that faculty don’t bother them with distractions? Wondering if you ever had a real job besides academia.

You got your facts wrong, the university is funded to conduct the research, the professor leads the research team and the graduate students execute the tasks. Most grants have an educational, dissemination and outreach component that your adviser committed his team to carry on. Note that he didn’t say he’ll do it himself, but his research team as a whole. The granting agency doesn’t care only about the papers, future workforce development is part of their mission, which is why congress allocates money to those agencies. But no, you can’t be bothered with that crap, cause you know better and undergrads annoy you. Seriously, just grow up.

In real life you do what the person paying your salary asks you to do.

You have no idea how the real world works. Which is why faculty have been taking advantage of you and dumping their useless work in your lap. And you take it with a smile because of how naive you are.

+1

Good friend is a full professor at Stanford. He is quite open that he hasn't taught an undergrad class in many years and that he has zero time for them. His view is that he is paid to run his lab, train his grad students and make money for Stanford. In his mind spending time with undergrads is a misuse money as they still have too much to learn.

That’s exactly why you assign a grad student to mentor an undergrad and a postdoc to mentor a grad student. If the group is large you don’t have the time and frankly the skill and knowledge if we’re talking about experimental work. But you still want your group to learn from each other and disseminate best practices and retain the know how once somebody is leaving. You don’t want students to figure out how to run an assay from the kit instructions when there’s a group member that did it hundreds of times. It’s like you know nothing about managing a group of people.

No faculty with a serious research program is going to do this. The loweset level trainee in the lab is a grad student. Going below that is a sign of problems. Furthermore, your faculty member was clearly dumping undesirable work on you, in addition to dipping below the bottom for trainees.

This seriously depends on the lab. Computational-based labs tends to be way more open to undergraduate research than wet labs.

While that is true, you would still have difficulty entering a serious computational focused lab as an undergrad. The lowest level most are willing to work with is a grad student if they have adequate funding.

Many stats labs love undergrads, so that’s not true in my field, at least. Stat methods may not be chosen by undergrads, but they certainly can help with the computation and model choices.

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a graduate student then a postdoc years ago, every time I would be really annoyed when the advisor assigned an undergraduate to me. It's a liability. Was at Cal.

Or you could see it as a failed opportunity for developing your mentorship and people management skills. I bet you’re not good at those even now.

I actually had positive experiences with assigned undergrads during my doctorate. You get what you put in.

You must be joking. The advisor is just shifting their own work onto you, because they don't want to do it. As a grad student or postdoc, you have limited time and more important things to do than to deal with undergrads.

I’m not joking. That’s how you develop soft people skills, project management etc. In your career you’ll have to deal with people less knowledgeable than you are that need to be motivated and trained. You definitely missed that opportunity. Berkeley students are some of the most hard working and smart there are.

Wow you are dumb. Managing undergrads is not a skill to develop and this is not the point of grad school or a postdoc.

If you want to babysit with your free time you can find some toddlers.

You have such an overinflated sense of yourself and a demeanor that sucks. A grad student just starting is not that much better than an undergraduate. Being a mentor at all stages of one’s career is not only rewarding but also helps you grow professionally.

Wondering what kid of relation you had with your adviser, maybe you’re just modeling behavior you were exposed to. I guarantee you’re more useless to a professor when you start than those annoying undergrads were to you. Also your adviser may be looking to screen future candidates for his lab, he asks you to mentor a few students, then that’s your duty as a member of his research team to do it, not sure why you think that’s even controversial.

Mentoring undergrads is not the duty of a grad student or postdoc. Wowsers. They are funded to conduct research, submit grants, and publish papers.

For faculty, this falls more in line with their job expectations, depending on the circumstances. However, a good faculty member isn't going to weigh down their grad students and postdocs with undergrad mentoring.

Are you for real? Now graduate students expect that faculty don’t bother them with distractions? Wondering if you ever had a real job besides academia.

You got your facts wrong, the university is funded to conduct the research, the professor leads the research team and the graduate students execute the tasks. Most grants have an educational, dissemination and outreach component that your adviser committed his team to carry on. Note that he didn’t say he’ll do it himself, but his research team as a whole. The granting agency doesn’t care only about the papers, future workforce development is part of their mission, which is why congress allocates money to those agencies. But no, you can’t be bothered with that crap, cause you know better and undergrads annoy you. Seriously, just grow up.

In real life you do what the person paying your salary asks you to do.

You have no idea how the real world works. Which is why faculty have been taking advantage of you and dumping their useless work in your lap. And you take it with a smile because of how naive you are.

+1

Good friend is a full professor at Stanford. He is quite open that he hasn't taught an undergrad class in many years and that he has zero time for them. His view is that he is paid to run his lab, train his grad students and make money for Stanford. In his mind spending time with undergrads is a misuse money as they still have too much to learn.

That’s exactly why you assign a grad student to mentor an undergrad and a postdoc to mentor a grad student. If the group is large you don’t have the time and frankly the skill and knowledge if we’re talking about experimental work. But you still want your group to learn from each other and disseminate best practices and retain the know how once somebody is leaving. You don’t want students to figure out how to run an assay from the kit instructions when there’s a group member that did it hundreds of times. It’s like you know nothing about managing a group of people.

I run a group of well over 100 people in a major tech company. I am paid well over 7 figures a year to do it. My professor friend has built and sold two companies while at Stanford and is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm pretty sure that we both know quite a bit more about managing large teams than you do.

Everyone is so accomplished on DCUM!

Also their kids are genius level. In all honesty I always assume people lie about their salary, net worth, job etc. if the argument can’t stand on its own the rest is noise.

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Everyone is so accomplished on DCUM!

I can confirm that no one on DCUM exaggerates their accomplishments / wealth / prowess / power. It's a group of very well adjusted people. Really.

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a graduate student then a postdoc years ago, every time I would be really annoyed when the advisor assigned an undergraduate to me. It's a liability. Was at Cal.

Or you could see it as a failed opportunity for developing your mentorship and people management skills. I bet you’re not good at those even now.

I actually had positive experiences with assigned undergrads during my doctorate. You get what you put in.

You must be joking. The advisor is just shifting their own work onto you, because they don't want to do it. As a grad student or postdoc, you have limited time and more important things to do than to deal with undergrads.

I’m not joking. That’s how you develop soft people skills, project management etc. In your career you’ll have to deal with people less knowledgeable than you are that need to be motivated and trained. You definitely missed that opportunity. Berkeley students are some of the most hard working and smart there are.

Wow you are dumb. Managing undergrads is not a skill to develop and this is not the point of grad school or a postdoc.

If you want to babysit with your free time you can find some toddlers.

You have such an overinflated sense of yourself and a demeanor that sucks. A grad student just starting is not that much better than an undergraduate. Being a mentor at all stages of one’s career is not only rewarding but also helps you grow professionally.

Wondering what kid of relation you had with your adviser, maybe you’re just modeling behavior you were exposed to. I guarantee you’re more useless to a professor when you start than those annoying undergrads were to you. Also your adviser may be looking to screen future candidates for his lab, he asks you to mentor a few students, then that’s your duty as a member of his research team to do it, not sure why you think that’s even controversial.

Mentoring undergrads is not the duty of a grad student or postdoc. Wowsers. They are funded to conduct research, submit grants, and publish papers.

For faculty, this falls more in line with their job expectations, depending on the circumstances. However, a good faculty member isn't going to weigh down their grad students and postdocs with undergrad mentoring.

Are you for real? Now graduate students expect that faculty don’t bother them with distractions? Wondering if you ever had a real job besides academia.

You got your facts wrong, the university is funded to conduct the research, the professor leads the research team and the graduate students execute the tasks. Most grants have an educational, dissemination and outreach component that your adviser committed his team to carry on. Note that he didn’t say he’ll do it himself, but his research team as a whole. The granting agency doesn’t care only about the papers, future workforce development is part of their mission, which is why congress allocates money to those agencies. But no, you can’t be bothered with that crap, cause you know better and undergrads annoy you. Seriously, just grow up.

In real life you do what the person paying your salary asks you to do.

You have no idea how the real world works. Which is why faculty have been taking advantage of you and dumping their useless work in your lap. And you take it with a smile because of how naive you are.

+1

Good friend is a full professor at Stanford. He is quite open that he hasn't taught an undergrad class in many years and that he has zero time for them. His view is that he is paid to run his lab, train his grad students and make money for Stanford. In his mind spending time with undergrads is a misuse money as they still have too much to learn.

That’s exactly why you assign a grad student to mentor an undergrad and a postdoc to mentor a grad student. If the group is large you don’t have the time and frankly the skill and knowledge if we’re talking about experimental work. But you still want your group to learn from each other and disseminate best practices and retain the know how once somebody is leaving. You don’t want students to figure out how to run an assay from the kit instructions when there’s a group member that did it hundreds of times. It’s like you know nothing about managing a group of people.

I run a group of well over 100 people in a major tech company. I am paid well over 7 figures a year to do it. My professor friend has built and sold two companies while at Stanford and is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm pretty sure that we both know quite a bit more about managing large teams than you do.

Everyone is so accomplished on DCUM!

Also their kids are genius level. In all honesty I always assume people lie about their salary, net worth, job etc. if the argument can’t stand on its own the rest is noise.

My favorite is the Money forum where there is a massive disconnect between the discussions of incomes and monthly expenses. Everyone makes $500k+ but can’t possibly fathom how a person would spend $10k a month.