Childless women should get maternity leave

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

They are not, and you know it.

Right, that’s what I am saying…

NP. Under what authority do you proclaim your expertise about perimenopause and its possible affects on health and wellbeing or lack thereof?

I have had several kids and one menopause


"Peri" needs are a cakewalk compared to childbirth and the aftermath

So that’s your “cakewalk” experience. You are lucky. I’m not here to say childbirth is similar to peri/meno, but for some women peri/meno has devastating physical and cognitive effects that do get better after a few months and are very challenging to treat. This can be greatly improved by having better work life balance and more time for sleep, exercise, and time to prepare healthy meals.

I’m convinced RTO is an effort to get rid of middle aged folks and bring in younger ones. Use ‘em up, spit ‘em out.

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

They are not, and you know it.

Right, that’s what I am saying…

NP. Under what authority do you proclaim your expertise about perimenopause and its possible affects on health and wellbeing or lack thereof?

I have had several kids and one menopause


"Peri" needs are a cakewalk compared to childbirth and the aftermath

So that’s your “cakewalk” experience. You are lucky. I’m not here to say childbirth is similar to peri/meno, but for some women peri/meno has devastating physical and cognitive effects that do get better after a few months and are very challenging to treat. This can be greatly improved by having better work life balance and more time for sleep, exercise, and time to prepare healthy meals.

I’m convinced RTO is an effort to get rid of middle aged folks and bring in younger ones. Use ‘em up, spit ‘em out.

Edit: do NOT get better after a few months.

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

They are not, and you know it.

Right, that’s what I am saying…

NP. Under what authority do you proclaim your expertise about perimenopause and its possible affects on health and wellbeing or lack thereof?

I don’t think anyone needs to explain to you that “peri” is not the same as childbirth and caring for a newborn.

Childcare is hard but the physical movement, standing up, carrying child are good for you. No one has gotten high LDL or blood sugar from running after kids. But sedatory office workers die from heart attack all the time.

So do some exercise and eat better.

and sure, tell those working moms of infants how good it is for them 😂

Hey this is not the suffering Olympics. You don’t need to minimize what someone else is going through just to be an ass.

Childbirth, recovery and caring for infants is exhausting, but it is of a limited duration of time.

Perimenopause can last years and be awful. For some people it’s a breeze, for others it is horrific. Spending hours each day commuting and sitting at a desk has a cumulative negative impact on health that is very serious if unaddressed.

After RTO I am out of the house about 12 hours a day. I need 9 hours of sleep to function well. That leaves me with 3 hours a day to do absolutely everything else including the care of my children. I do my best to eat well but where am I supposed to get in a workout? Throw in peri/menopause. I am white but now I see firsthand why so many WOC die young of strokes and such. RTO is sending us back 50 years.

Perimenopause is not even close to the rigors of childbirth.

Agreed. No one dies from peri. Women die in childbirth all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

They are not, and you know it.

Are you talking about peri menopause? Aka 2nd puberty? We expect our kids to go to school, learn huge amounts of information, play travel sports, take high stakes tests, do chores, etc. during puberty. You can do your desk job.
- a 48yr old mom of kids under 10 and caretaker of her elderly parents

DP. Yes, we expect that of our adolescents, but everything isn’t fine. Record numbers of kids and teens are suffering from anxiety, depression, and related illnesses.

It is no coincidence that many, if not most are living in a way that is in complete opposition to healthy circadian rhythms, healthy diet, relationships, expectations, and activity.

Record numbers of kids are suffering from those things due to smart phones and social media, plus having such a manufactured smooth path early in life that tgey never get to practice dealing with sadness, failure or disappointment when they are little so they have no resilience when they get older.

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

Good for you, PP. Peri was a very hard time for me as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Compared to my male co-workers, the women in my office carry most of the mental load and do all of the emotional labor. This increased stress recently caused me to snap at the office and I started crying in front of some of my direct reports. I don't have children but could really use a 90 day break to fully refresh. I think all women should get something similar to maternity leave, even if they don't have kids. How can I go about making this a policy in my office ?

You are so dumb and envious.

They are not taking the break to refresh. They are taking it to recover.

You are a fool for not knowing when and how to take a break.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s called short term disability. Maternity leave is for mothers (though often we have to take STD).

Don't abuse disability benefits like this.

What is wrong with people???

Tell me you don't know what STD is, without telling me...

Short term disability is for any kind of illness. You can use it for surgery, hospitalization, and mental illness treatment. Please educate yourself!!!

OP wasn't talking about mental health treatment.

She was talking about me time, vacations and hair appointments.

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

“Peri needs” are not a thing. Stop it.

I love it - I want them to lobby for perimenopause parking, a special menopause menu at restaurants, all of it. How far can some people take special treatment for menopause?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s called short term disability. Maternity leave is for mothers (though often we have to take STD).

Don't abuse disability benefits like this.

What is wrong with people???

Tell me you don't know what STD is, without telling me...

Short term disability is for any kind of illness. You can use it for surgery, hospitalization, and mental illness treatment. Please educate yourself!!!

OP wasn't talking about mental health treatment.

She was talking about me time, vacations and hair appointments.

No, she wasn't. But even is she was, mental burnout is a real thing for some and she should be able to use the benefits she paid into for years to get mentally better.

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

“Peri needs” are not a thing. Stop it.

+1

-A woman

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

They are not, and you know it.

Right, that’s what I am saying…

NP. Under what authority do you proclaim your expertise about perimenopause and its possible affects on health and wellbeing or lack thereof?

I don’t think anyone needs to explain to you that “peri” is not the same as childbirth and caring for a newborn.

Childcare is hard but the physical movement, standing up, carrying child are good for you. No one has gotten high LDL or blood sugar from running after kids. But sedatory office workers die from heart attack all the time.

So do some exercise and eat better.

and sure, tell those working moms of infants how good it is for them 😂

Hey this is not the suffering Olympics. You don’t need to minimize what someone else is going through just to be an ass.

Childbirth, recovery and caring for infants is exhausting, but it is of a limited duration of time.

Perimenopause can last years and be awful. For some people it’s a breeze, for others it is horrific. Spending hours each day commuting and sitting at a desk has a cumulative negative impact on health that is very serious if unaddressed.

After RTO I am out of the house about 12 hours a day. I need 9 hours of sleep to function well. That leaves me with 3 hours a day to do absolutely everything else including the care of my children. I do my best to eat well but where am I supposed to get in a workout? Throw in peri/menopause. I am white but now I see firsthand why so many WOC die young of strokes and such. RTO is sending us back 50 years.

Perimenopause is not even close to the rigors of childbirth.

Agreed. No one dies from peri. Women die in childbirth all the time.

That’s not why there’s maternity leave.

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

They are not, and you know it.

Right, that’s what I am saying…

NP. Under what authority do you proclaim your expertise about perimenopause and its possible affects on health and wellbeing or lack thereof?

I don’t think anyone needs to explain to you that “peri” is not the same as childbirth and caring for a newborn.

Childcare is hard but the physical movement, standing up, carrying child are good for you. No one has gotten high LDL or blood sugar from running after kids. But sedatory office workers die from heart attack all the time.

So do some exercise and eat better.

and sure, tell those working moms of infants how good it is for them 😂

Hey this is not the suffering Olympics. You don’t need to minimize what someone else is going through just to be an ass.

Childbirth, recovery and caring for infants is exhausting, but it is of a limited duration of time.

Perimenopause can last years and be awful. For some people it’s a breeze, for others it is horrific. Spending hours each day commuting and sitting at a desk has a cumulative negative impact on health that is very serious if unaddressed.

After RTO I am out of the house about 12 hours a day. I need 9 hours of sleep to function well. That leaves me with 3 hours a day to do absolutely everything else including the care of my children. I do my best to eat well but where am I supposed to get in a workout? Throw in peri/menopause. I am white but now I see firsthand why so many WOC die young of strokes and such. RTO is sending us back 50 years.

Perimenopause is not even close to the rigors of childbirth.

Agreed. No one dies from peri. Women die in childbirth all the time.

That’s not why there’s maternity leave.

Maternity leave is to recover from childbirth. There is no such thing as recovering from peri. Don't be obtuse.

I say this as someone who is currently going through peri. While it's difficult, there is no comparison to childbirth.

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Anonymous wrote:Maternity leave isn’t about “refreshing” OP … it’s about recovering from childbirth and caring for a newborn.

If you are having a mental health crisis you can ask for leave. I have a single friend who did this recently.

It's definitely possible. My wife took both maternity leave and STD when she was in the psych ward/partial hospitalization program.

Assuming she took maternity leave for the actual birth of a child?

Oh yeah, she took maternity for a kid and STD for psychological issues. My point was that there is a potential solution for mental health crisis, but it's different than maternity leave.

What OP is asking for is an extended psid time to take a vacation and spoil herself.

Thst is not even remotely close to your wife being committed for post partum psychosis.

Don't you dare make that comparison to your wife if you value your marriage.

Maybe OP is a male troll trying to make women look bad. There seems to be a lot of that going around here these days.

He didn't have to do much work there if so. It's pretty believable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My office would never let me take 90 consecutive days of PTO. Don't I need to get a medical diagnosis to qualify for short term disability ?

No office would.
Yes you need a medical reason for STD.

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Anonymous wrote:Compared to my male co-workers, the women in my office carry most of the mental load and do all of the emotional labor. This increased stress recently caused me to snap at the office and I started crying in front of some of my direct reports. I don't have children but could really use a 90 day break to fully refresh. I think all women should get something similar to maternity leave, even if they don't have kids. How can I go about making this a policy in my office ?

Only if you destroy your body and then have an alarm clock that wakes you up every 30 minutes all day.