Do girls really have better applications than boys?

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Anonymous wrote:Smart and good looking guys are in limited supply with a lot of demand! There are more smart guys but so nerdy and immature. If they wind up making a lot of money, they will get girls but for now, hard pass.

Something tells me they will have the last laugh.

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Anonymous wrote:Smart and good looking guys are in limited supply with a lot of demand! There are more smart guys but so nerdy and immature. If they wind up making a lot of money, they will get girls but for now, hard pass.

Something tells me they will have the last laugh.

What do you mean by this?

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Anonymous wrote:Smart and good looking guys are in limited supply with a lot of demand! There are more smart guys but so nerdy and immature. If they wind up making a lot of money, they will get girls but for now, hard pass.

Something tells me they will have the last laugh.

They will get a different types of girls, the ones into money. Not the brilliant driven hardworking girls in high school and college.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls have higher GPAs than boys on average.

A lot more women teacher in high school.

The girls have better ECs too. They mature quicker and are more organized. It’s no surprise that they do better than the boys.

You’re both right. The elementary and middle school years of sit still, be quiet and pay attention with, what, 30 minutes of recess, does not jibe well with male developmental timelines. The boys come into high school with delayed executive functioning skills. So teachers, especially female teachers, often treat boys like broken girls.

People say this all the time, but this is the school system that was designed by men, for boys. Nothing has changed: the length of recess, the age of kids when they start high school. Are we suggesting that boys have had some sort of gene shift in the past 30 years?

My dad said he had two recesses growing up. One was free play and the owner was teacher-led physical games. Boys also had more free play after school. Now they’re all shipped to activities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s a lot of things in my view. Relative lack of male teachers/role models in public schools especially, emphasis on lifting up girls but not boys, boys being more likely to withdraw into video games and other solitary pursuits, deemphasis on standardized testing, and the increases number of females in formerly male/dominated fields (which is a good thing generally, but has not been accompanied by more males going into female-dominated fields, so there is more competition for the same fields).

I will note however that far, far more teacher time in elementary school is spent on boys than girls. Most girls are utterly ignored and seated between the most disruptive boys. Occasionally thanked for being quiet. Even girls with learning disabilities get missed frequently because they aren’t disruptive while the boys get early evaluations. It certainly isn’t all of the boys but that’s where most of the problems are. You won’t see much emphasis at all in elementary schools today on lifting up girls. I’ve seen none, other than external after/before school mom-run programs. None run by the schools.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a lot of things in my view. Relative lack of male teachers/role models in public schools especially, emphasis on lifting up girls but not boys, boys being more likely to withdraw into video games and other solitary pursuits, deemphasis on standardized testing, and the increases number of females in formerly male/dominated fields (which is a good thing generally, but has not been accompanied by more males going into female-dominated fields, so there is more competition for the same fields).

I will note however that far, far more teacher time in elementary school is spent on boys than girls. Most girls are utterly ignored and seated between the most disruptive boys. Occasionally thanked for being quiet. Even girls with learning disabilities get missed frequently because they aren’t disruptive while the boys get early evaluations. It certainly isn’t all of the boys but that’s where most of the problems are. You won’t see much emphasis at all in elementary schools today on lifting up girls. I’ve seen none, other than external after/before school mom-run programs. None run by the schools.

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The good stuff like scholarships is dedicated to girls, but all the behavioral stuff is for boys. My DD, who is shy, quiet, and very well behaved, was sat at a table with troublemaker boys to try to break up their nonsense. It tired her out and we eventually switched to a girls school.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a lot of things in my view. Relative lack of male teachers/role models in public schools especially, emphasis on lifting up girls but not boys, boys being more likely to withdraw into video games and other solitary pursuits, deemphasis on standardized testing, and the increases number of females in formerly male/dominated fields (which is a good thing generally, but has not been accompanied by more males going into female-dominated fields, so there is more competition for the same fields).

I will note however that far, far more teacher time in elementary school is spent on boys than girls. Most girls are utterly ignored and seated between the most disruptive boys. Occasionally thanked for being quiet. Even girls with learning disabilities get missed frequently because they aren’t disruptive while the boys get early evaluations. It certainly isn’t all of the boys but that’s where most of the problems are. You won’t see much emphasis at all in elementary schools today on lifting up girls. I’ve seen none, other than external after/before school mom-run programs. None run by the schools.

I had well behaved very smart boys-that were also ignored like the girls. It’s not all of the boys. My son’s 4th grade also had a girl problem —always bickering, drama- the teacher absolutely loved my son. They would roll eyes at each other or he’d give her a thumbs up when she’d tell the girls to get over there drama.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls have higher GPAs than boys on average.

A lot more women teacher in high school.

The girls have better ECs too. They mature quicker and are more organized. It’s no surprise that they do better than the boys.

This. Especially because the boys tend to spend most of their time on sports. Which isn’t very useful for the application, unless a recruit. While the boy keeps talking about his soccer game and focuses on his own self, the girl sits on multiple community boards, volunteers extensively, runs a club, and may also play a sport.

This is why my T10-targeting son is letting up on their sport. They will still play for the hs if they get on the team (they’re expected to) but are quitting club after sophomore year and barely participated in club this spring. That was a painful $ hit but also a lesson learned - driven by him! - that when there are conflicts his time is better spent doing academic competitions, internship interviews, extra curricular things, studying for APs, and choosing to focus on what matters. He still is “an athlete” but has no illusions of playing in college, or even starting for HS. We see almost every other boy on both teams continuing to make their sport the #1. No shade, but it’s a choice.

I have this kid too. He came to us soph year and said maybe he should drop his sport (which like your son he is good but not recruitable at). We walked with him through his reasoning. Turns out it’s what he thought he needed to do to get into a Top 10 school based on what he saw his sister do. We talked with him about the gift of time and how he should fill his life with the things he wants to do at each stage of his life. Because not doing that will lead to regrets in the long run. Kid is now taking 6 AP’s with all A’s, some tutoring, one low key EC, and has poured his heart into his sport. Maybe it won’t get him into a T10, but it’s good for him from a physical and mental space which is what I want for him.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls have higher GPAs than boys on average.

A lot more women teacher in high school.

The girls have better ECs too. They mature quicker and are more organized. It’s no surprise that they do better than the boys.

You’re both right. The elementary and middle school years of sit still, be quiet and pay attention with, what, 30 minutes of recess, does not jibe well with male developmental timelines. The boys come into high school with delayed executive functioning skills. So teachers, especially female teachers, often treat boys like broken girls.

In general, American schools have pushed grade inappropriate curriculum down to younger and younger her kids. This artificial advancement doesn’t fit their developmental timeline. 10 APs. Why? Sure, plenty of “top performers” can do it, but at what cost?

Even in the last century I saw top students burn out by college. It’s worse now, and we have a generation of anxiety-ridden, unstable kids. Now they have sports perfectionism on top of academics. Not sports fun, not team spirit go school rah rah.

So yeah, it sucks for boys, and it sucks for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls have higher GPAs than boys on average.

A lot more women teacher in high school.

The girls have better ECs too. They mature quicker and are more organized. It’s no surprise that they do better than the boys.

You’re both right. The elementary and middle school years of sit still, be quiet and pay attention with, what, 30 minutes of recess, does not jibe well with male developmental timelines. The boys come into high school with delayed executive functioning skills. So teachers, especially female teachers, often treat boys like broken girls.

People say this all the time, but this is the school system that was designed by men, for boys. Nothing has changed: the length of recess, the age of kids when they start high school. Are we suggesting that boys have had some sort of gene shift in the past 30 years?

nope.

Not the current school system.

The school system designed by men had regular recess time, plus corporal punishment when needed, plus lots of active time.

We now have an entire school system designed for well behaved, compliant pleaser type girls.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls have higher GPAs than boys on average.

A lot more women teacher in high school.

The girls have better ECs too. They mature quicker and are more organized. It’s no surprise that they do better than the boys.

You’re both right. The elementary and middle school years of sit still, be quiet and pay attention with, what, 30 minutes of recess, does not jibe well with male developmental timelines. The boys come into high school with delayed executive functioning skills. So teachers, especially female teachers, often treat boys like broken girls.

People say this all the time, but this is the school system that was designed by men, for boys. Nothing has changed: the length of recess, the age of kids when they start high school. Are we suggesting that boys have had some sort of gene shift in the past 30 years?

Our strict catholic school had almost an hour of completely unstructured recess each day, all the way until 8th grade.

So did the public school.

1970s-80s

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Anonymous wrote:I’m going to be honest. It’s the hours of video games and screens.

Yes, 100%. If people want to honestly ask "what has changed in the last 30 years?", video games have absolutely changed the profile of how boys spend their time. And, if we're being honest: porn.

We are living in a time of pollution, microplastics, endocrine disruptors, etc.

This is the only part of your comment that could possibly explain the recent changes in performance

These are gender neutral factors that impact boys and the girls the same.

ADHD also affects boys and girls about the same. For girls, it’s ADD. For boys it’s AHD.

What really happened: Girls used to get little education two three generations ago. At that time, no parents paid any attention on girls academics. Versus nowadays, a large percentage of educated parents emphasize on education for both genders. Parents places the same expectations on the girls, and finally their performance is catching up.

Given that you are using terms that have been out-of-date for a decade, your whole post doesn't read as credible.

It wasn’t just that parents placed less emphasis on girls’ education (though certainly a factor). Professors as recent as the 1960s that I know of sometimes said things like female student earned A but it’s curved so I’m switching your grade to a B because the boys need the As for their careers. High school girls were earlier stripped of being valedictorian because again the boys needed the accolades.

Now you are just making up lies

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll add one point that I haven’t seen here yet: travel sports. Many boys I know (even as young as 7) are funneled into playing hardcore travel sports (usually baseball, basketball, soccer, or lacrosse). As a result, they have practices every night (so they have less time to do homework) and miss some school because of tournaments. This also perpetuates the idea of “Why should I care about school? I’m going to be a professional athlete!”

Of course we also see this in girls, but at a much lower rate.

I don’t know what world you live in- but I was playing travel soccer decades and it was national travel and multiple weeknight club practices, mixed with HS team too.

The girls travel basketball and soccer and volleyball has a schedule almost identical to the boys. Those is gymnastics and swimming have crazy schedules as well

Dance and figure skating too

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a lot of things in my view. Relative lack of male teachers/role models in public schools especially, emphasis on lifting up girls but not boys, boys being more likely to withdraw into video games and other solitary pursuits, deemphasis on standardized testing, and the increases number of females in formerly male/dominated fields (which is a good thing generally, but has not been accompanied by more males going into female-dominated fields, so there is more competition for the same fields).

I will note however that far, far more teacher time in elementary school is spent on boys than girls. Most girls are utterly ignored and seated between the most disruptive boys. Occasionally thanked for being quiet. Even girls with learning disabilities get missed frequently because they aren’t disruptive while the boys get early evaluations. It certainly isn’t all of the boys but that’s where most of the problems are. You won’t see much emphasis at all in elementary schools today on lifting up girls. I’ve seen none, other than external after/before school mom-run programs. None run by the schools.

+100000
The good stuff like scholarships is dedicated to girls, but all the behavioral stuff is for boys. My DD, who is shy, quiet, and very well behaved, was sat at a table with troublemaker boys to try to break up their nonsense. It tired her out and we eventually switched to a girls school.

That balances out

In 5th through 8th grade the classroom issues are almost entirely from the girl drama.

The boys become easier, and ignored.