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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

I’m 50 and so obviously I have seen attitudes towards smoking change since I was a kid. Even when smoking was commonplace, I don’t recall people blaming society or structures for smoking. Was that happening?

Then you don't understand what happened with smoking. The shift against smoking was driven by government action -- municipalities banning smoking, state AGs filing lawsuits against cigarette manufacturers for lying to the public about the addictive qualities of cigarettes and the impacts on health. Federal and state health agencies also launched campaigns to educate the public on the dangers if smoking, and the marketing of cigarettes was heavily regulated to force companies to disclose the risks and to eliminate advertising that targeted children.

The shift away from smoking was almost entirely due to societal factors, not individuals taking personal responsibility and changing behavior.

What you have described is deceptive advertising. Are you telling me that people are deceived today about the food and movement?

Come on, we all grew up being told we should eat a ton of carbs and that fat was our worst enemy. We are surrounded by ultra processed foods marketed as "healthy". Of course there is deceptive advertising.

So the US is fat because they were perceptive enough to be paying attention but stopped around the year 2000?

The problems with consuming processed carbohydrates is exceptionally well known and expressed everywhere. It’s all over media. The pamphlet at every GP physical says it in bold letters and I am confident your GP and every other one on the planet repeats that line - even with their sometimes poor understanding of nutrition.

It’s not a grand conspiracy. People don’t care and don’t want to put in the effort if they are privileged enough to avoid it. Preferring instead to dose themselves all day. Others are in a financial or socioeconomic circumstance that fights against them - that’s not the DCUM demographic for the majority of participants here.

Whoosh

The response that we grew up thinking it was good to eat ultra processed food is both incorrect and dumb. How many decades have we known to eat fruits and vegetables and lean protein? Is any doctor who has counseled otherwise in decades? What is the deception today? I understand the convience issue in the U.S. in 2025. But deception?

The response that we grew up thinking it was good to eat ultra processed food is both incorrect and dumb. How many decades have we known to eat fruits and vegetables and lean protein? Is any doctor who has counseled otherwise in decades? What is the deception today? I understand the convience issue in the U.S. in 2025. But deception?

there's cow crap on all your salad greens.

More like human feces from the people picking, packaging, handling them from field to shopping basket.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

And salt, sugar, and meat. We need to put together a master list of things which the government should ban to improve the health of all Americans! We could have a utopia

Meat and salt can be very healthy. Lots of people have reversed multiple health conditions on an animal based diet.

The current food pyramid is what is unhealthy and it tracks with an explosion in obesity and insulin becoming a huge money maker.

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The food pyramid is wrong. We don't need grains, it lead to this obesity epidemic. Cut them out and see what it does to your body. You won't know until you give it a try

First, no, the food pyramid recommendations (which no one has ever followed anyway) did not lead to the obesity epidemic. Second, the word you are looking for in this context is “led” - I assume you also don’t understand the difference between “loose” and “lose”.

Exactly - the idea that the 40% of Americans that are obese are that way because they meticulously followed some food pyramid guidelines is so intellectually dishonest its impossible to know where to start.

The sad part is the rush to blame externalities in all this ends up neutering the ability of people from taking control of their own health. Any time you speak any form of actual truth its too mean and its shaming. The opposite of the empowerment.

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you, and only you, know "the actual truth" about the complexities of a stranger's physical health. What an AH.

Imagine being so dishonest that you decide obesity on a population level is all about elaborate exceptions and narrow medical conditions. Its impossible to even have this discussion because people always wade in here with some elaborate tale that is not at all a reflection of what is actually happening on a population level.

So, according to you, a DCUM shitposter/self-proclaimed expert, the whole problem is "fat people eat too much"?

You're a simple-minded fool, and a judgmental ass.

Unfortunately for you, the scientific consensus is exactly that. The obesity epidemic on a population level is people wildly over-consuming according to their energy needs and storing that energy as fat. Go ahead and read the literature if you have the honesty to do so. There are various reasons why that is happening, and unfortunately for you, the vast majority are not reasons where human agency and free will are entirely absent from the equation.

Or write some elaborate rant about cow feces on fruits and vegetables and how it’s impossible to be a functioning adult. A functioning adult that doesn’t eat piles of garbage, doesn’t have the need to count anything because they are eating real food, and occasionally does some exercise to emulate what the human body was designed for in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

I’m 50 and so obviously I have seen attitudes towards smoking change since I was a kid. Even when smoking was commonplace, I don’t recall people blaming society or structures for smoking. Was that happening?

Then you don't understand what happened with smoking. The shift against smoking was driven by government action -- municipalities banning smoking, state AGs filing lawsuits against cigarette manufacturers for lying to the public about the addictive qualities of cigarettes and the impacts on health. Federal and state health agencies also launched campaigns to educate the public on the dangers if smoking, and the marketing of cigarettes was heavily regulated to force companies to disclose the risks and to eliminate advertising that targeted children.

The shift away from smoking was almost entirely due to societal factors, not individuals taking personal responsibility and changing behavior.

What you have described is deceptive advertising. Are you telling me that people are deceived today about the food and movement?

Come on, we all grew up being told we should eat a ton of carbs and that fat was our worst enemy. We are surrounded by ultra processed foods marketed as "healthy". Of course there is deceptive advertising.

So the US is fat because they were perceptive enough to be paying attention but stopped around the year 2000?

The problems with consuming processed carbohydrates is exceptionally well known and expressed everywhere. It’s all over media. The pamphlet at every GP physical says it in bold letters and I am confident your GP and every other one on the planet repeats that line - even with their sometimes poor understanding of nutrition.

It’s not a grand conspiracy. People don’t care and don’t want to put in the effort if they are privileged enough to avoid it. Preferring instead to dose themselves all day. Others are in a financial or socioeconomic circumstance that fights against them - that’s not the DCUM demographic for the majority of participants here.

Whoosh

The response that we grew up thinking it was good to eat ultra processed food is both incorrect and dumb. How many decades have we known to eat fruits and vegetables and lean protein? Is any doctor who has counseled otherwise in decades? What is the deception today? I understand the convience issue in the U.S. in 2025. But deception?

Bolded part "lean" is part of the food pyramid propaganda. Fat is good for you.

Even lean protein has fat.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

Likely well-meaning non-fat people. Or people a few pounds overweight who think they’re obese. Truly fat people have no disillusions as to the cause of their fatness.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

Likely well-meaning non-fat people. Or people a few pounds overweight who think they’re obese. Truly fat people have no disillusions as to the cause of their fatness.

There are many posts in here of disillusions. The mere suggestion that obesity isn’t like being hit by a bus is met with a violent reaction and long screeds about feces laden vegetables. It’s like that every time.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

Likely well-meaning non-fat people. Or people a few pounds overweight who think they’re obese. Truly fat people have no disillusions as to the cause of their fatness.

There are many posts in here of disillusions. The mere suggestion that obesity isn’t like being hit by a bus is met with a violent reaction and long screeds about feces laden vegetables. It’s like that every time.

Again, if I had to put money on it my guess is that the people responding that way aren’t actually fat. While they might mean well, they are just as bad as the people who claim to hate obesity because of “health concerns”. The people talking about feces-laden vegetables think they are helping, but they are just reducing fat people to children who can’t take accountability. They then cause people like you to hate fat people even more because you think we are the ones saying these inane things.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

Likely well-meaning non-fat people. Or people a few pounds overweight who think they’re obese. Truly fat people have no disillusions as to the cause of their fatness.

There are many posts in here of disillusions. The mere suggestion that obesity isn’t like being hit by a bus is met with a violent reaction and long screeds about feces laden vegetables. It’s like that every time.

Again, if I had to put money on it my guess is that the people responding that way aren’t actually fat. While they might mean well, they are just as bad as the people who claim to hate obesity because of “health concerns”. The people talking about feces-laden vegetables think they are helping, but they are just reducing fat people to children who can’t take accountability. They then cause people like you to hate fat people even more because you think we are the ones saying these inane things.

I don’t hate fat people. I dislike what you are describing - reducing fat people to children and guaranteeing they will not succeed. It’s effectively gate keeping and it’s BS.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.

DP

When the vast majority of the population is overweight (I am actually not overweight so spare me your "advice"), there is something systemic that is wrong. Obviously people have agency, but many people struggle to lose weight because our bodies did not evolve to lose weight, rather to gain it.

People struggle to loose weight because their diet is crap and they don't get exercise. All you need to do is walk 10K steps per day (done in 45 -60 mins total) and eat healthier. Cut out crap and eat Whole Foods and ditch carbs that are not from fruits and veggies.
People also don't want to fix their issues, they just want a pill, which typically has other side effects, so they need another pill, etc........

Are Americans as a whole less willing to "fix their issues" than Europeans who have much lower obesity rates? Why?

Most europeans walk way more than we do. They also routinely eat much better---Whole Foods and a lot less crap is eaten in Europe.
Just go look at portion sizes at restaurants---you rarely will need a carryout box in Europe.

And yes, most Americans are not willing to "fix their issues". They complain complain complain but don't want to address the real issues. I get it, it's hard to do once you are 50lbs+ overweight. I just don't get how you let yourself get there. If I got 10lbs over my ideal weight, I adjust my diet and focus on walking more. In the office, I take the stairs, as long as I'm not carrying a ton. You can get 2-4K steps during the day from just doing that. I get out to walk for 10 mins with lunch and I make an effort to eat healthy

Btw I am not obese so spare me your "advice" - and btw people have been giving this advice for decades and the obesity crisis has only grown so maybe save your breath.

I totally agree that the US should look to Europe. They walk more because their cities are designed differently. They eat better because their food supply is more regulated and people work fewer hours, so they have more time to cook. I would love for the US to be more like Europe but we designed our communities to be car dependent and let the food industry guide our health guidance.

I guess this is an example of a non-fat person arguing that way.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

I’m 50 and so obviously I have seen attitudes towards smoking change since I was a kid. Even when smoking was commonplace, I don’t recall people blaming society or structures for smoking. Was that happening?

Then you don't understand what happened with smoking. The shift against smoking was driven by government action -- municipalities banning smoking, state AGs filing lawsuits against cigarette manufacturers for lying to the public about the addictive qualities of cigarettes and the impacts on health. Federal and state health agencies also launched campaigns to educate the public on the dangers if smoking, and the marketing of cigarettes was heavily regulated to force companies to disclose the risks and to eliminate advertising that targeted children.

The shift away from smoking was almost entirely due to societal factors, not individuals taking personal responsibility and changing behavior.

What you have described is deceptive advertising. Are you telling me that people are deceived today about the food and movement?

Come on, we all grew up being told we should eat a ton of carbs and that fat was our worst enemy. We are surrounded by ultra processed foods marketed as "healthy". Of course there is deceptive advertising.

So the US is fat because they were perceptive enough to be paying attention but stopped around the year 2000?

The problems with consuming processed carbohydrates is exceptionally well known and expressed everywhere. It’s all over media. The pamphlet at every GP physical says it in bold letters and I am confident your GP and every other one on the planet repeats that line - even with their sometimes poor understanding of nutrition.

It’s not a grand conspiracy. People don’t care and don’t want to put in the effort if they are privileged enough to avoid it. Preferring instead to dose themselves all day. Others are in a financial or socioeconomic circumstance that fights against them - that’s not the DCUM demographic for the majority of participants here.

Whoosh

The response that we grew up thinking it was good to eat ultra processed food is both incorrect and dumb. How many decades have we known to eat fruits and vegetables and lean protein? Is any doctor who has counseled otherwise in decades? What is the deception today? I understand the convience issue in the U.S. in 2025. But deception?

Bolded part "lean" is part of the food pyramid propaganda. Fat is good for you.

Healthy fats are good for you. If you want to stave off dementia/alzheimers, you want to give your body good fats. A steak or good quality burger is fine 1-2 times per week, but if you eat it twice a day your body will not appreciate it. You should add in fish and chicken/turkey for much of your protein.
But yes, meat/protein is not the issue typically, it's the carbs/sugars we put into our bodies

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)

And salt, sugar, and meat. We need to put together a master list of things which the government should ban to improve the health of all Americans! We could have a utopia

Meat and salt can be very healthy. Lots of people have reversed multiple health conditions on an animal based diet.

The current food pyramid is what is unhealthy and it tracks with an explosion in obesity and insulin becoming a huge money maker.

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The food pyramid is wrong. We don't need grains, it lead to this obesity epidemic. Cut them out and see what it does to your body. You won't know until you give it a try

First, no, the food pyramid recommendations (which no one has ever followed anyway) did not lead to the obesity epidemic. Second, the word you are looking for in this context is “led” - I assume you also don’t understand the difference between “loose” and “lose”.

Exactly - the idea that the 40% of Americans that are obese are that way because they meticulously followed some food pyramid guidelines is so intellectually dishonest its impossible to know where to start.

The sad part is the rush to blame externalities in all this ends up neutering the ability of people from taking control of their own health. Any time you speak any form of actual truth its too mean and its shaming. The opposite of the empowerment.

Imagine being arrogant enough to think you, and only you, know "the actual truth" about the complexities of a stranger's physical health. What an AH.

Imagine being so dishonest that you decide obesity on a population level is all about elaborate exceptions and narrow medical conditions. Its impossible to even have this discussion because people always wade in here with some elaborate tale that is not at all a reflection of what is actually happening on a population level.

So, according to you, a DCUM shitposter/self-proclaimed expert, the whole problem is "fat people eat too much"?

You're a simple-minded fool, and a judgmental ass.

Unfortunately for you, the scientific consensus is exactly that. The obesity epidemic on a population level is people wildly over-consuming according to their energy needs and storing that energy as fat. Go ahead and read the literature if you have the honesty to do so. There are various reasons why that is happening, and unfortunately for you, the vast majority are not reasons where human agency and free will are entirely absent from the equation.

Or write some elaborate rant about cow feces on fruits and vegetables and how it’s impossible to be a functioning adult. A functioning adult that doesn’t eat piles of garbage, doesn’t have the need to count anything because they are eating real food, and occasionally does some exercise to emulate what the human body was designed for in the first place.

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If you do that, you almost certainly will loose weight. But keep in mind, if you are 50lbs overweight, it will take time. You might not be able to get 15K steps in initially, so start with 5-8K and cutting crap out of your diet. And know that yes, you might "feel hungry" because you have been overeating and feeding your body crap for years. But if you power thru the first 2 weeks, your cravings will diminish, and you will start to feel better. You didnt' put on those 50lbs in 1-2 months, so you will take longer than that to remove them and change your lifestyle. Only you can decide if you want to do this.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Yes! And obesity is behind many of the health issues Americans face. Diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, needing joints replaced, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all.

This is your complaint about healthcare costs? You think the outrageous premiums and ridiculous co-pays and inflated charges are... because fat people use healthcare? What a simple-minded fool.

Nowhere did I say this was the only issue with healthcare. But I did say it is a major issue with OBESITY and I am not wrong about that. Obese people all want to believe they’re just some victim of unique circumstances but mostly they’re not - and we all end up paying for their weight related health issues. That’s a problem.

Where did people get the idea that fat people don’t know why they’re fat and like to play the victim? I’ve never met a fat person who does this. I’m fat, and I know full well why I’m fat, and it’s none of your business. I also have normal blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc. so spare me the song and dance that all fat people are a drain on the medical system. It’s categorically not true and also not how it works. The truth is that you don’t like fat people because you find them unattractive. If you’re going to scream at fat people to “be honest” then you need to start doing the same.

People trying to say we were deceived by the government and food industry a few pages earlier.

There was a period when the government said fat was bad for you, and low-fat (high sugar) magically appeared. It was also cheaper because HFCS is subsidized indirectly by the government.

It's easy to overeat sugary foods.