Hair dresser tipping

[Anonymous]

Wtf??? You forego the cut. Seriously. You also took a spot from someone who might have been able to actually afford her services

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was always told you don’t tip the salon owner. I consider this a salon owner. She gets 100% of the pay. It’s not like a waiter. It’s like tipping the restaurant owner after the meal.

No, she is not the salon owner. She rents the space so has to pay those expenses out of her own pocket, along with any supplies that aren't shared. The salon owner gets the revenue from the renters and that is why you don't tip the owner when she/he does your hair (I do anyway since it is a personal service but it is not customary).

Learn how to read. OP's stylist rents her own space. It is hers and only hers. She is the owner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To answer the person asking about things being affect by layoffs. yes we are. Absolutely. Businesses down about 50% and doesn’t really feel like a great time to raise prices to make up for that difference.We’ve also had to adjust hours as clients feel less secure taking time off during the day for services. I’m at work later and more in weekends than ever and seeing my family less. It’s stressful. Things will improve but it will take time. We took a huge hit during pandemic and were not quite up to pre COVID numbers. It’s challenging to work in services. You really are a bit at the whim of the market and since many of us are not employees, but 1099, renting space or working on commission, we pay all of our own benefits and don’t always have a say on setting prices. It’s a nice thing to think that we have more control on what we charge than we do. I could happily raise my prices with confidence in service- it’s not up to me - even though I’m an independent contractor. There is a price according to experience level which does help though.

Tips are great. I don’t expect them, but they really do make a difference when bookings are less prevalent.

Thank you for sharing your insight!

OP was fine to say "I want to tip, but I cannot afford to at this moment" and the stylist was wrong for rolling her eyes.

That’s what you took from the stylists post!? Just the last two sentences?

Her business is down, she’s renting space, working on commission, no benefits and even though she’s an independent contractor she doesn’t set her own prices.

Her profession has traditionally been one of commission and tips is part of her income. Whether or not the tipping phenomenon in the US is fair or not is irrelevant. Most everyone, and especially older people who use salons, knows that tips are paid to a stylist. OP knows it too which is why this thread even started.

To the stylist, thank you for contributing your experience and how the industry works for you. Best wishes to you.

And traditionally you don’t tip the owner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree on this. Hairstylists pay relies on tips. It’s one of the few professions, IMO, that you should tip (another being a restaurant server). You don’t think your stylist is feeling a pinch from our current economy too?

Well her choice is either getting business from OP or not. Would she rather get $100 or $0? If she NEEDS $120, then she should make that her price. She gets all of the money, she's not an employee or independent contractor but rather a sole proprietor.

You (and OP) know that this profession depends on tips. That’s why the question even came up. If you decide not to get your hair done, your favorite stylist goes out of business.

Also, maybe OP can clear up her stylist being the owner? You can be an independent stylist and rent out a chair in a salon without being the owner. It’s not quite the same as being the owner.

Learn how to read. OP literally says her hairstylist is independent and rents out a closet-sized space. Learn how the economy works. Independent owners set their own prices. They can charge what they want. No need to tip someone who sets their own prices. I will die on this hill.

I do tip my hairstylist who works for a salon very well because she gets paid a salary. There is a difference. You need to go back to school if you cannot understand this.

You can be as snarky as you want and you can die on your hill too. The fact is you should tip the stylist. You know it and you’re cheap.

My stylist owns her own studio (she's not one of those hacks who couldn't handle a real salon so has to rent a Sola "studio", she rents a nice retail space and spent her own money to build and furnish the interior). She specifically states no tips and is transparent about her pricing (e.g. if you have a lot of hair, she charges more). She charges an exorbitant amount because she can and it covers all of her expenses and then some. I appreciate her transparency and honesty. I'll never go anywhere else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To answer the person asking about things being affect by layoffs. yes we are. Absolutely. Businesses down about 50% and doesn’t really feel like a great time to raise prices to make up for that difference.We’ve also had to adjust hours as clients feel less secure taking time off during the day for services. I’m at work later and more in weekends than ever and seeing my family less. It’s stressful. Things will improve but it will take time. We took a huge hit during pandemic and were not quite up to pre COVID numbers. It’s challenging to work in services. You really are a bit at the whim of the market and since many of us are not employees, but 1099, renting space or working on commission, we pay all of our own benefits and don’t always have a say on setting prices. It’s a nice thing to think that we have more control on what we charge than we do. I could happily raise my prices with confidence in service- it’s not up to me - even though I’m an independent contractor. There is a price according to experience level which does help though.

Tips are great. I don’t expect them, but they really do make a difference when bookings are less prevalent.

Thank you for sharing your insight!

OP was fine to say "I want to tip, but I cannot afford to at this moment" and the stylist was wrong for rolling her eyes.

That’s what you took from the stylists post!? Just the last two sentences?

Her business is down, she’s renting space, working on commission, no benefits and even though she’s an independent contractor she doesn’t set her own prices.

Her profession has traditionally been one of commission and tips is part of her income. Whether or not the tipping phenomenon in the US is fair or not is irrelevant. Most everyone, and especially older people who use salons, knows that tips are paid to a stylist. OP knows it too which is why this thread even started.

To the stylist, thank you for contributing your experience and how the industry works for you. Best wishes to you.

Yes, and she is clearly not an owner. She doesn't own her salon or studio - she's just renting a chair or own of those Sola things, that's different than someone who owns their own studio or pays to rent her own retail space.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To answer the person asking about things being affect by layoffs. yes we are. Absolutely. Businesses down about 50% and doesn’t really feel like a great time to raise prices to make up for that difference.We’ve also had to adjust hours as clients feel less secure taking time off during the day for services. I’m at work later and more in weekends than ever and seeing my family less. It’s stressful. Things will improve but it will take time. We took a huge hit during pandemic and were not quite up to pre COVID numbers. It’s challenging to work in services. You really are a bit at the whim of the market and since many of us are not employees, but 1099, renting space or working on commission, we pay all of our own benefits and don’t always have a say on setting prices. It’s a nice thing to think that we have more control on what we charge than we do. I could happily raise my prices with confidence in service- it’s not up to me - even though I’m an independent contractor. There is a price according to experience level which does help though.

Tips are great. I don’t expect them, but they really do make a difference when bookings are less prevalent.

Thank you for sharing your insight!

OP was fine to say "I want to tip, but I cannot afford to at this moment" and the stylist was wrong for rolling her eyes.

That’s what you took from the stylists post!? Just the last two sentences?

Her business is down, she’s renting space, working on commission, no benefits and even though she’s an independent contractor she doesn’t set her own prices.

Her profession has traditionally been one of commission and tips is part of her income. Whether or not the tipping phenomenon in the US is fair or not is irrelevant. Most everyone, and especially older people who use salons, knows that tips are paid to a stylist. OP knows it too which is why this thread even started.

To the stylist, thank you for contributing your experience and how the industry works for you. Best wishes to you.

And traditionally you don’t tip the owner.

Traditionally, YOU don’t tip the owner. I do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To answer the person asking about things being affect by layoffs. yes we are. Absolutely. Businesses down about 50% and doesn’t really feel like a great time to raise prices to make up for that difference.We’ve also had to adjust hours as clients feel less secure taking time off during the day for services. I’m at work later and more in weekends than ever and seeing my family less. It’s stressful. Things will improve but it will take time. We took a huge hit during pandemic and were not quite up to pre COVID numbers. It’s challenging to work in services. You really are a bit at the whim of the market and since many of us are not employees, but 1099, renting space or working on commission, we pay all of our own benefits and don’t always have a say on setting prices. It’s a nice thing to think that we have more control on what we charge than we do. I could happily raise my prices with confidence in service- it’s not up to me - even though I’m an independent contractor. There is a price according to experience level which does help though.

Tips are great. I don’t expect them, but they really do make a difference when bookings are less prevalent.

Thank you for sharing your insight!

OP was fine to say "I want to tip, but I cannot afford to at this moment" and the stylist was wrong for rolling her eyes.

OP never said the stylist rolled her eyes. She said she seemed surprised. Very different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To answer the person asking about things being affect by layoffs. yes we are. Absolutely. Businesses down about 50% and doesn’t really feel like a great time to raise prices to make up for that difference.We’ve also had to adjust hours as clients feel less secure taking time off during the day for services. I’m at work later and more in weekends than ever and seeing my family less. It’s stressful. Things will improve but it will take time. We took a huge hit during pandemic and were not quite up to pre COVID numbers. It’s challenging to work in services. You really are a bit at the whim of the market and since many of us are not employees, but 1099, renting space or working on commission, we pay all of our own benefits and don’t always have a say on setting prices. It’s a nice thing to think that we have more control on what we charge than we do. I could happily raise my prices with confidence in service- it’s not up to me - even though I’m an independent contractor. There is a price according to experience level which does help though.

Tips are great. I don’t expect them, but they really do make a difference when bookings are less prevalent.

Thank you for sharing your insight!

OP was fine to say "I want to tip, but I cannot afford to at this moment" and the stylist was wrong for rolling her eyes.

OP never said the stylist rolled her eyes. She said she seemed surprised. Very different.

She said she was taken aback. My bad!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To answer the person asking about things being affect by layoffs. yes we are. Absolutely. Businesses down about 50% and doesn’t really feel like a great time to raise prices to make up for that difference.We’ve also had to adjust hours as clients feel less secure taking time off during the day for services. I’m at work later and more in weekends than ever and seeing my family less. It’s stressful. Things will improve but it will take time. We took a huge hit during pandemic and were not quite up to pre COVID numbers. It’s challenging to work in services. You really are a bit at the whim of the market and since many of us are not employees, but 1099, renting space or working on commission, we pay all of our own benefits and don’t always have a say on setting prices. It’s a nice thing to think that we have more control on what we charge than we do. I could happily raise my prices with confidence in service- it’s not up to me - even though I’m an independent contractor. There is a price according to experience level which does help though.

Tips are great. I don’t expect them, but they really do make a difference when bookings are less prevalent.

Thank you for sharing your insight!

OP was fine to say "I want to tip, but I cannot afford to at this moment" and the stylist was wrong for rolling her eyes.

OP never said the stylist rolled her eyes. She said she seemed surprised. Very different.

It’s likely to the way it was presented. I can’t think of a single stylist who would respond negatively.


However if you’re getting expensive services and saying you’re too broke to tip….you will be a topic of conversation in the break room. And I doubt anyone would not get a twitchy eye in the moment.

[Anonymous]

The tipping situation right now is bad. All the people on here who are so self righteous about 20% or you don’t deserve to eat out or get your hair cut or whatever. Give me a break. This 20-30 percent situation is really over the top. And they stand there looking at you while you fumble with the IPad choosing the LOWEST option, which is 20 %. Sigh. I wish service workers were paid a living wage, and I will continue to tip, but it feels like I’m being extorted and I don’t like it and I feel for the people who are like hell no, and the others who are getting up on your high horses and saying so sanctimoniously well I ALWAYS tip the MAXIMUM, it’s kinda irritating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The tipping situation right now is bad. All the people on here who are so self righteous about 20% or you don’t deserve to eat out or get your hair cut or whatever. Give me a break. This 20-30 percent situation is really over the top. And they stand there looking at you while you fumble with the IPad choosing the LOWEST option, which is 20 %. Sigh. I wish service workers were paid a living wage, and I will continue to tip, but it feels like I’m being extorted and I don’t like it and I feel for the people who are like hell no, and the others who are getting up on your high horses and saying so sanctimoniously well I ALWAYS tip the MAXIMUM, it’s kinda irritating.

The place I go to also gives an option to tip nothing on the payment screen in addition to 18 pct, 20 pct etc. But I agree that the appropriate action in this case would have been to not go to the hair salon if you’re truly so stretched that you can’t tip even 10 pct.

-signed, someone whose spouse has also been DOGEd who is going to the hair salon far less often but still tipping 20 pct when I go

[Anonymous]

My stylist owns her own business. She takes 50% from all the stylists under her, but she does provide them with product. She obviously takes 100% from her own clients.

Every business owner rents a space. who owns their own building?? she is the owner despite renting the physical space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To answer the person asking about things being affect by layoffs. yes we are. Absolutely. Businesses down about 50% and doesn’t really feel like a great time to raise prices to make up for that difference.We’ve also had to adjust hours as clients feel less secure taking time off during the day for services. I’m at work later and more in weekends than ever and seeing my family less. It’s stressful. Things will improve but it will take time. We took a huge hit during pandemic and were not quite up to pre COVID numbers. It’s challenging to work in services. You really are a bit at the whim of the market and since many of us are not employees, but 1099, renting space or working on commission, we pay all of our own benefits and don’t always have a say on setting prices. It’s a nice thing to think that we have more control on what we charge than we do. I could happily raise my prices with confidence in service- it’s not up to me - even though I’m an independent contractor. There is a price according to experience level which does help though.

Tips are great. I don’t expect them, but they really do make a difference when bookings are less prevalent.

Thank you for sharing your insight!

OP was fine to say "I want to tip, but I cannot afford to at this moment" and the stylist was wrong for rolling her eyes.

That’s what you took from the stylists post!? Just the last two sentences?

Her business is down, she’s renting space, working on commission, no benefits and even though she’s an independent contractor she doesn’t set her own prices.

Her profession has traditionally been one of commission and tips is part of her income. Whether or not the tipping phenomenon in the US is fair or not is irrelevant. Most everyone, and especially older people who use salons, knows that tips are paid to a stylist. OP knows it too which is why this thread even started.

To the stylist, thank you for contributing your experience and how the industry works for you. Best wishes to you.

And traditionally you don’t tip the owner.

Traditionally, YOU don’t tip the owner. I do.

Congrats?

[Anonymous]

NP-Prices have gone up as my income -never high- has gone down. So mostly, I stopped going. Takes me three days of work to pay for uncomplicated cut and highlights. With tip it’s over $400. I’m still getting texts asking if I want appointments. Based on previous 15 years, I think my stylist would be happy to settle for a 15% tip. I’m not proud of it, but it would take a fourth day of (after taxes) work to hit 20%. If all her appointments were full, I’d be depriving her. But they’re not full.

Just move on to someone cheaper? Doesn’t seem like anyone wins here.

[Anonymous]

Pp again- plus the hair washer’s additional tip