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Anonymous wrote:How is the rebuild going? Heard alot of offers out but not to current players?

My question is what does that say about the development at the club if that many players have been cut over a 2yr span from 1 team? Maybe ECNL should really go back to not having teams at the U13 age group for starters.

It says that VDA develops their own, but won’t hesitate to replace you if a better player comes along. I respect that even though it might seem
unfair to certain parents on DCUM.

That's one way to look at it. I think we're talking about upwards of 8-10 players though in that period. That's abnormally high turnover. As a parent that might be coming in at U13 you have to question whether or not they'd get better development elsewhere. No knock on them given the reputation at the HS age groups, you just can't ignore that. Someone surely has enough time on their hands to go see how many original players remain on each team from the pwsi vsa pipeline.

Pretty easy to see the homegrown talent on the high school age teams. Rosters are online. Vda is doing what any other club would do, they take the top players that attend their ID sessions. I expect my DD‘s coach to take the best players available for her team and not have silly loyalty because a certain player started at the club when they were a u little. Players don’t have any loyalty to the clubs and the clubs don’t have any loyalty to the players.

100%, but I will add and this applies to this thread, there are coaches that tie themselves to players and want them to succeed and will have a hard time moving on from them.

[Anonymous]

100% ....also natural selection going on here with one less ECNL team in the area, so maybe more dramatic this year than others. Some players have also reached their ceiling while others continue to develop

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Anonymous wrote:100% ....also natural selection going on here with one less ECNL team in the area, so maybe more dramatic this year than others. Some players have also reached their ceiling while others continue to develop

Yup, VDA only takes those with more ceiling.

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Anonymous wrote:100% ....also natural selection going on here with one less ECNL team in the area, so maybe more dramatic this year than others. Some players have also reached their ceiling while others continue to develop

Yes natural selection are good words for whats happening. Talented players want to make ECNL rosters now. VDA and Union securing lots of deposits and creating competition for playing time on their new and improved rosters which is always healthy. Arlington is still operating like a cadre of parents are making roster selections.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:How is the rebuild going? Heard alot of offers out but not to current players?

My question is what does that say about the development at the club if that many players have been cut over a 2yr span from 1 team? Maybe ECNL should really go back to not having teams at the U13 age group for starters.

It says that VDA develops their own, but won’t hesitate to replace you if a better player comes along. I respect that even though it might seem
unfair to certain parents on DCUM.

That's one way to look at it. I think we're talking about upwards of 8-10 players though in that period. That's abnormally high turnover. As a parent that might be coming in at U13 you have to question whether or not they'd get better development elsewhere. No knock on them given the reputation at the HS age groups, you just can't ignore that. Someone surely has enough time on their hands to go see how many original players remain on each team from the pwsi vsa pipeline.

Pretty easy to see the homegrown talent on the high school age teams. Rosters are online. Vda is doing what any other club would do, they take the top players that attend their ID sessions. I expect my DD‘s coach to take the best players available for her team and not have silly loyalty because a certain player started at the club when they were a u little. Players don’t have any loyalty to the clubs and the clubs don’t have any loyalty to the players.

You're missing the point. It's not about loyalty, it's about player development. Simple if then statement. If player development was actually happening at that club in the first two years then you wouldn't have such high turnover. There has to be something wrong with the initial election process at the least. That's just my opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How is the rebuild going? Heard alot of offers out but not to current players?

My question is what does that say about the development at the club if that many players have been cut over a 2yr span from 1 team? Maybe ECNL should really go back to not having teams at the U13 age group for starters.

It says that VDA develops their own, but won’t hesitate to replace you if a better player comes along. I respect that even though it might seem
unfair to certain parents on DCUM.

That's one way to look at it. I think we're talking about upwards of 8-10 players though in that period. That's abnormally high turnover. As a parent that might be coming in at U13 you have to question whether or not they'd get better development elsewhere. No knock on them given the reputation at the HS age groups, you just can't ignore that. Someone surely has enough time on their hands to go see how many original players remain on each team from the pwsi vsa pipeline.

Pretty easy to see the homegrown talent on the high school age teams. Rosters are online. Vda is doing what any other club would do, they take the top players that attend their ID sessions. I expect my DD‘s coach to take the best players available for her team and not have silly loyalty because a certain player started at the club when they were a u little. Players don’t have any loyalty to the clubs and the clubs don’t have any loyalty to the players.

You're missing the point. It's not about loyalty, it's about player development. Simple if then statement. If player development was actually happening at that club in the first two years then you wouldn't have such high turnover. There has to be something wrong with the initial election process at the least. That's just my opinion.

So player development for you is making the 18 players selected at u13 the best 18 players in NOVA so they can’t be replaced? That doesn’t seem possible.

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Anonymous wrote:How is the rebuild going? Heard alot of offers out but not to current players?

My question is what does that say about the development at the club if that many players have been cut over a 2yr span from 1 team? Maybe ECNL should really go back to not having teams at the U13 age group for starters.

It says that VDA develops their own, but won’t hesitate to replace you if a better player comes along. I respect that even though it might seem
unfair to certain parents on DCUM.

That's one way to look at it. I think we're talking about upwards of 8-10 players though in that period. That's abnormally high turnover. As a parent that might be coming in at U13 you have to question whether or not they'd get better development elsewhere. No knock on them given the reputation at the HS age groups, you just can't ignore that. Someone surely has enough time on their hands to go see how many original players remain on each team from the pwsi vsa pipeline.

Pretty easy to see the homegrown talent on the high school age teams. Rosters are online. Vda is doing what any other club would do, they take the top players that attend their ID sessions. I expect my DD‘s coach to take the best players available for her team and not have silly loyalty because a certain player started at the club when they were a u little. Players don’t have any loyalty to the clubs and the clubs don’t have any loyalty to the players.

You're missing the point. It's not about loyalty, it's about player development. Simple if then statement. If player development was actually happening at that club in the first two years then you wouldn't have such high turnover. There has to be something wrong with the initial election process at the least. That's just my opinion.

So player development for you is making the 18 players selected at u13 the best 18 players in NOVA so they can’t be replaced? That doesn’t seem possible.

You hand pick 18 kids. Only 8 of the kids are capable of continuing to play beyond the first two years? Multiple factors that go into it, but isn't over 50% a bit high to you? By all means take the best, but why aren't you producing better in house. We have people in this forum from every club in the area, so how about everyone chime in and compare training environments. Simply playing adjacent to top talent isn't development though it can aid development. Winning isn't development. You should be able to look at a team, judge them on everything outside of physical attributes and come away with some sort of assessment. Gripes about that 2011 team include the idea that a bunch of athletes were selected that they hoped they could turn into soccer players. Now about two years and x amount of dollars later they're cast away but were never given the tools to succeed.

[Anonymous]

BP is the only tool needed! Time to sink or swim!

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Anonymous wrote:How is the rebuild going? Heard alot of offers out but not to current players?

My question is what does that say about the development at the club if that many players have been cut over a 2yr span from 1 team? Maybe ECNL should really go back to not having teams at the U13 age group for starters.

It says that VDA develops their own, but won’t hesitate to replace you if a better player comes along. I respect that even though it might seem
unfair to certain parents on DCUM.

That's one way to look at it. I think we're talking about upwards of 8-10 players though in that period. That's abnormally high turnover. As a parent that might be coming in at U13 you have to question whether or not they'd get better development elsewhere. No knock on them given the reputation at the HS age groups, you just can't ignore that. Someone surely has enough time on their hands to go see how many original players remain on each team from the pwsi vsa pipeline.

Pretty easy to see the homegrown talent on the high school age teams. Rosters are online. Vda is doing what any other club would do, they take the top players that attend their ID sessions. I expect my DD‘s coach to take the best players available for her team and not have silly loyalty because a certain player started at the club when they were a u little. Players don’t have any loyalty to the clubs and the clubs don’t have any loyalty to the players.

You're missing the point. It's not about loyalty, it's about player development. Simple if then statement. If player development was actually happening at that club in the first two years then you wouldn't have such high turnover. There has to be something wrong with the initial election process at the least. That's just my opinion.

So player development for you is making the 18 players selected at u13 the best 18 players in NOVA so they can’t be replaced? That doesn’t seem possible.

You hand pick 18 kids. Only 8 of the kids are capable of continuing to play beyond the first two years? Multiple factors that go into it, but isn't over 50% a bit high to you? By all means take the best, but why aren't you producing better in house. We have people in this forum from every club in the area, so how about everyone chime in and compare training environments. Simply playing adjacent to top talent isn't development though it can aid development. Winning isn't development. You should be able to look at a team, judge them on everything outside of physical attributes and come away with some sort of assessment. Gripes about that 2011 team include the idea that a bunch of athletes were selected that they hoped they could turn into soccer players. Now about two years and x amount of dollars later they're cast away but were never given the tools to succeed.

Clubs don't develop players.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is the rebuild going? Heard alot of offers out but not to current players?

My question is what does that say about the development at the club if that many players have been cut over a 2yr span from 1 team? Maybe ECNL should really go back to not having teams at the U13 age group for starters.

It says that VDA develops their own, but won’t hesitate to replace you if a better player comes along. I respect that even though it might seem
unfair to certain parents on DCUM.

That's one way to look at it. I think we're talking about upwards of 8-10 players though in that period. That's abnormally high turnover. As a parent that might be coming in at U13 you have to question whether or not they'd get better development elsewhere. No knock on them given the reputation at the HS age groups, you just can't ignore that. Someone surely has enough time on their hands to go see how many original players remain on each team from the pwsi vsa pipeline.

Pretty easy to see the homegrown talent on the high school age teams. Rosters are online. Vda is doing what any other club would do, they take the top players that attend their ID sessions. I expect my DD‘s coach to take the best players available for her team and not have silly loyalty because a certain player started at the club when they were a u little. Players don’t have any loyalty to the clubs and the clubs don’t have any loyalty to the players.

You're missing the point. It's not about loyalty, it's about player development. Simple if then statement. If player development was actually happening at that club in the first two years then you wouldn't have such high turnover. There has to be something wrong with the initial election process at the least. That's just my opinion.

So player development for you is making the 18 players selected at u13 the best 18 players in NOVA so they can’t be replaced? That doesn’t seem possible.

You hand pick 18 kids. Only 8 of the kids are capable of continuing to play beyond the first two years? Multiple factors that go into it, but isn't over 50% a bit high to you? By all means take the best, but why aren't you producing better in house. We have people in this forum from every club in the area, so how about everyone chime in and compare training environments. Simply playing adjacent to top talent isn't development though it can aid development. Winning isn't development. You should be able to look at a team, judge them on everything outside of physical attributes and come away with some sort of assessment. Gripes about that 2011 team include the idea that a bunch of athletes were selected that they hoped they could turn into soccer players. Now about two years and x amount of dollars later they're cast away but were never given the tools to succeed.

Currently 16 on the roster. 11 of those 16 are returning. 5 are not returning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is the rebuild going? Heard alot of offers out but not to current players?

My question is what does that say about the development at the club if that many players have been cut over a 2yr span from 1 team? Maybe ECNL should really go back to not having teams at the U13 age group for starters.

It says that VDA develops their own, but won’t hesitate to replace you if a better player comes along. I respect that even though it might seem
unfair to certain parents on DCUM.

That's one way to look at it. I think we're talking about upwards of 8-10 players though in that period. That's abnormally high turnover. As a parent that might be coming in at U13 you have to question whether or not they'd get better development elsewhere. No knock on them given the reputation at the HS age groups, you just can't ignore that. Someone surely has enough time on their hands to go see how many original players remain on each team from the pwsi vsa pipeline.

Pretty easy to see the homegrown talent on the high school age teams. Rosters are online. Vda is doing what any other club would do, they take the top players that attend their ID sessions. I expect my DD‘s coach to take the best players available for her team and not have silly loyalty because a certain player started at the club when they were a u little. Players don’t have any loyalty to the clubs and the clubs don’t have any loyalty to the players.

You're missing the point. It's not about loyalty, it's about player development. Simple if then statement. If player development was actually happening at that club in the first two years then you wouldn't have such high turnover. There has to be something wrong with the initial election process at the least. That's just my opinion.

Don’t you think if there were some magic formula to identify players at 12 years old the world would be using it? The European pro teams have put a lot of money into trying to identify young players but even they are 50/50 at best. Then why would some local virginian youth soccer club be able to do it?

Player development doesn’t mean any player can be developed into a star. There are so many factors a coach can’t control. They can’t control natural abilities but also the continued drive and determination of the player.

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Anonymous wrote:How is the rebuild going? Heard alot of offers out but not to current players?

My question is what does that say about the development at the club if that many players have been cut over a 2yr span from 1 team? Maybe ECNL should really go back to not having teams at the U13 age group for starters.

It says that VDA develops their own, but won’t hesitate to replace you if a better player comes along. I respect that even though it might seem
unfair to certain parents on DCUM.

That's one way to look at it. I think we're talking about upwards of 8-10 players though in that period. That's abnormally high turnover. As a parent that might be coming in at U13 you have to question whether or not they'd get better development elsewhere. No knock on them given the reputation at the HS age groups, you just can't ignore that. Someone surely has enough time on their hands to go see how many original players remain on each team from the pwsi vsa pipeline.

Pretty easy to see the homegrown talent on the high school age teams. Rosters are online. Vda is doing what any other club would do, they take the top players that attend their ID sessions. I expect my DD‘s coach to take the best players available for her team and not have silly loyalty because a certain player started at the club when they were a u little. Players don’t have any loyalty to the clubs and the clubs don’t have any loyalty to the players.

You're missing the point. It's not about loyalty, it's about player development. Simple if then statement. If player development was actually happening at that club in the first two years then you wouldn't have such high turnover. There has to be something wrong with the initial election process at the least. That's just my opinion.

So player development for you is making the 18 players selected at u13 the best 18 players in NOVA so they can’t be replaced? That doesn’t seem possible.

You hand pick 18 kids. Only 8 of the kids are capable of continuing to play beyond the first two years? Multiple factors that go into it, but isn't over 50% a bit high to you? By all means take the best, but why aren't you producing better in house. We have people in this forum from every club in the area, so how about everyone chime in and compare training environments. Simply playing adjacent to top talent isn't development though it can aid development. Winning isn't development. You should be able to look at a team, judge them on everything outside of physical attributes and come away with some sort of assessment. Gripes about that 2011 team include the idea that a bunch of athletes were selected that they hoped they could turn into soccer players. Now about two years and x amount of dollars later they're cast away but were never given the tools to succeed.

Currently 16 on the roster. 11 of those 16 are returning. 5 are not returning.

9 of the 11 are from the sister clubs. Makes less than half the roster for next year from the 'pipeline'. Still a decent retention.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:100% ....also natural selection going on here with one less ECNL team in the area, so maybe more dramatic this year than others. Some players have also reached their ceiling while others continue to develop

Yup, VDA only takes those with more ceiling.

not necessarily sometimes its hype….and really good marketing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:100% ....also natural selection going on here with one less ECNL team in the area, so maybe more dramatic this year than others. Some players have also reached their ceiling while others continue to develop

Yup, VDA only takes those with more ceiling.

not necessarily sometimes its hype….and really good marketing

Forgot about that. Large TikTok following could help too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How is the rebuild going? Heard alot of offers out but not to current players?

My question is what does that say about the development at the club if that many players have been cut over a 2yr span from 1 team? Maybe ECNL should really go back to not having teams at the U13 age group for starters.

It says that VDA develops their own, but won’t hesitate to replace you if a better player comes along. I respect that even though it might seem
unfair to certain parents on DCUM.

That's one way to look at it. I think we're talking about upwards of 8-10 players though in that period. That's abnormally high turnover. As a parent that might be coming in at U13 you have to question whether or not they'd get better development elsewhere. No knock on them given the reputation at the HS age groups, you just can't ignore that. Someone surely has enough time on their hands to go see how many original players remain on each team from the pwsi vsa pipeline.

Pretty easy to see the homegrown talent on the high school age teams. Rosters are online. Vda is doing what any other club would do, they take the top players that attend their ID sessions. I expect my DD‘s coach to take the best players available for her team and not have silly loyalty because a certain player started at the club when they were a u little. Players don’t have any loyalty to the clubs and the clubs don’t have any loyalty to the players.

You're missing the point. It's not about loyalty, it's about player development. Simple if then statement. If player development was actually happening at that club in the first two years then you wouldn't have such high turnover. There has to be something wrong with the initial election process at the least. That's just my opinion.

So player development for you is making the 18 players selected at u13 the best 18 players in NOVA so they can’t be replaced? That doesn’t seem possible.

You hand pick 18 kids. Only 8 of the kids are capable of continuing to play beyond the first two years? Multiple factors that go into it, but isn't over 50% a bit high to you? By all means take the best, but why aren't you producing better in house. We have people in this forum from every club in the area, so how about everyone chime in and compare training environments. Simply playing adjacent to top talent isn't development though it can aid development. Winning isn't development. You should be able to look at a team, judge them on everything outside of physical attributes and come away with some sort of assessment. Gripes about that 2011 team include the idea that a bunch of athletes were selected that they hoped they could turn into soccer players. Now about two years and x amount of dollars later they're cast away but were never given the tools to succeed.

Currently 16 on the roster. 11 of those 16 are returning. 5 are not returning.

Must be a lot of new FVU and NVA players. Interesting.