Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care what atheists think?

Same reason, just the opposite perspective.

I will note that not one atheist I know complains when a theist attempts to defend their position. They relish the chance to discuss it, in fact.

Wonder why that is?


When atheists represent God incorrectly (God gives babies cancer) is when I care.

If I posted that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan you would care, because it’s an obvious and disgusting lie.

Constantly posting that God gives babies cancer and allows them to suffer and dir because He is a cruel bastard is definitely on that level. It’s not true.


Atheist here and I wouldn’t care. Maybe some atheists do? That doesn’t mean all do, and I know that I don’t.

I know who I am and what I believe. Words can’t hurt me, but they can teach me. I keep an open, critical mind. Maybe ask yourself why you feel defensive if someone criticizes your religion or the actions of people who share your religion? Or not. It’s your life.


Critical examination of religion is great.

Repeating that God gives babies cancer is not critical examination of religious beliefs.

Is stating that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan critical examination of atheism?


No, it is a strawman, off topic, non-sequitur response to a reasonable, millennia-old philosophical question about the existence of god.


God is an unlimited being. The existence of an unlimited being is either logically necessary or logically impossible.

The existence of an unlimited being is not logically impossible.

Therefore, the existence of God is logically necessary.

Whether or not God exists is a matter of personal belief that cannot be proven scientifically.

If you personally don’t believe in God or gods, hooray. But your personal beliefs are yours alone. You don’t decide for humankind if God or gods do or don’t exist.


The evidence is of the logical impossibility, not scientific. Stay on topic please. Respond to Epicurus' questions.


One of the groups that debated with Paul on the streets of Athens was Epicurean (Acts 17:18)

Epicurus thought gods did exist, but they lived so far away from the world of mankind.


Epicurus was a classical Greek philosopher (341 BCE), and his arguments are not focused towards
Christians, because he predates the Jewish based religions which conquered the Roman Empire after 300 CE under the Byzantine Emperor Constantine the Great.


Here are six (6) responses to the Epicurean paradox.

https://www.pharosjot.com/uploads/7/1/6/3/7163688/article_25_vol_99_2018_-_philippines.pdf



Again you do not answer the questions, and respond with strawmen. The fact that Epicurus predates christianity is evidence against christianity because the questions still exist.

A quick glance at that document indicates its assertion and reliance on faith-based ignorance in the abstract paragraph.

It basically ignores the questions and says "nahhh.. god is good" using biblical quotes without addressing the problem of evil in any way.

Just like you and everyone else.


you read, critiqued, and dismissed every point in the linked article in 5 minutes?

lol, ok.

Q. Did God create evil?
A. https://www.gotquestions.org/did-God-create-evil.html

Q. Why does God allow evil?
A. https://www.gotquestions.org/God-allow-evil.html

Q. Did God create sin?
A. https://www.gotquestions.org/did-God-create-sin.html

Q. How can I believe in the goodness of God when there is so much evil in the world?
A. https://www.gotquestions.org/goodness-of-God.html

Q. Why does God create people when He knows they are going to go to hell?
A. https://www.gotquestions.org/God-create-doomed-people.html

Q. Does God make mistakes?
A. https://www.gotquestions.org/does-God-make-mistakes.html

This site will answer any questions you have about the Christian God.

I do not write fan fiction about the Christian God.

The Christian God has an entire book we can read and refer to.

You are making up stories that fit your personal beliefs (which are fine for you, but not necessarily accurate to Christianity nor are they pertinent to the beliefs of others) and asking Christians to explain Christianity and God to you…there is literally a site that lays everything out in black and white.


How are we to believe that everything on this site is accurate?


You are worried that this site is inaccurate, but are completely fine with taking the anonymous opinions of unidentified strangers posting here as advice and information?

Why do you trust the anonymous strangers here? You don’t know their names or backgrounds or educational history.

The people who maintain the linked site and their educational histories are documented on the website.
https://www.gotquestions.org/about.html

You should ask each poster here their name, religious beliefs, educational history, etc, if you are actually worried about the information they are posting.


Why would anyone care what a bunch of theologians say? They are simply regurgitating stories they have been told since they were a kid.

Very biased. Very full of crap.


So the experts are people with no education or experience in the field?

Anonymous strangers are the real experts in your opinion?


"Experts" in what exactly?

Theologians are incapable of providing an unbiased analysis of anything religious-related. They are more bought into the lies than most.


Citation?


Citations are not possible for opinions.
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Anonymous wrote:Were Lenin and Stalin and Mao atheists? They killed a lot of their own people.


Is Donald Trump an atheist?

Do religious people care?
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Anonymous wrote:BC they enjoy trolling and being insufferably annoying. Maybe that's their true religion.


sounds like it's yours.


No, I'm Catholic. Atheists can be very pita. On one hand they can be insecure that you get something out of your faith and then on the other pissed off that you don't agree with what is in their mind their superior atheist insights. Usually an insufferably annoying white male left-leaning know-it-all.
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Anonymous wrote:BC they enjoy trolling and being insufferably annoying. Maybe that's their true religion.


sounds like it's yours.


No, I'm Catholic. Atheists can be very pita. On one hand they can be insecure that you get something out of your faith and then on the other pissed off that you don't agree with what is in their mind their superior atheist insights. Usually an insufferably annoying white male left-leaning know-it-all.


Lol. Very ironic post.
Anonymous
As an atheist, I can tell you they do it because they are insecure in their beliefs.

Even the 16 year old atheists on Reddit aren’t as annoying and stupid as the atheists on DCUM.
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Anonymous wrote:Were Lenin and Stalin and Mao atheists? They killed a lot of their own people.


Is Donald Trump an atheist?

Do religious people care?


"I am Presbyterian. And I go to church and I love God and I love my church." -Trump
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t care if anyone changes their mind but I do love to point out stupid arguments.

There is just so much stupid in our country - it’s mind boggling.


You believe religion is made of “stupid arguments?”



Religion,(e.g., that the son of God rose from the dead and ascended in heaven) is based on supernatural events (e.g., Santa Claus living at the North Pole) that we now know to be scientifically impossible.
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Anonymous wrote:Were Lenin and Stalin and Mao atheists? They killed a lot of their own people.


Is Donald Trump an atheist?

Do religious people care?


"I am Presbyterian. And I go to church and I love God and I love my church." -Trump


Says a liar.
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Anonymous wrote:As an atheist, I can tell you they do it because they are insecure in their beliefs.

Even the 16 year old atheists on Reddit aren’t as annoying and stupid as the atheists on DCUM.


As an atheist, I can tell you that I hope that modern people who know how to use a computer will realize, as I did, that religious claims can't possibly be true and that you can be a good person without religion.
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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care what atheists think?

Same reason, just the opposite perspective.

I will note that not one atheist I know complains when a theist attempts to defend their position. They relish the chance to discuss it, in fact.

Wonder why that is?


When atheists represent God incorrectly (God gives babies cancer) is when I care.

If I posted that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan you would care, because it’s an obvious and disgusting lie.

Constantly posting that God gives babies cancer and allows them to suffer and dir because He is a cruel bastard is definitely on that level. It’s not true.


Atheist here and I wouldn’t care. Maybe some atheists do? That doesn’t mean all do, and I know that I don’t.

I know who I am and what I believe. Words can’t hurt me, but they can teach me. I keep an open, critical mind. Maybe ask yourself why you feel defensive if someone criticizes your religion or the actions of people who share your religion? Or not. It’s your life.


Critical examination of religion is great.

Repeating that God gives babies cancer is not critical examination of religious beliefs.

Is stating that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan critical examination of atheism?


No, it is a strawman, off topic, non-sequitur response to a reasonable, millennia-old philosophical question about the existence of god.


God is an unlimited being. The existence of an unlimited being is either logically necessary or logically impossible.

The existence of an unlimited being is not logically impossible.

Therefore, the existence of God is logically necessary.

Whether or not God exists is a matter of personal belief that cannot be proven scientifically.

If you personally don’t believe in God or gods, hooray. But your personal beliefs are yours alone. You don’t decide for humankind if God or gods do or don’t exist.


The evidence is of the logical impossibility, not scientific. Stay on topic please. Respond to Epicurus' questions.


One of the groups that debated with Paul on the streets of Athens was Epicurean (Acts 17:18)

Epicurus thought gods did exist, but they lived so far away from the world of mankind.


Epicurus was a classical Greek philosopher (341 BCE), and his arguments are not focused towards
Christians, because he predates the Jewish based religions which conquered the Roman Empire after 300 CE under the Byzantine Emperor Constantine the Great.


Here are six (6) responses to the Epicurean paradox.

https://www.pharosjot.com/uploads/7/1/6/3/7163688/article_25_vol_99_2018_-_philippines.pdf



Again you do not answer the questions, and respond with strawmen. The fact that Epicurus predates christianity is evidence against christianity because the questions still exist.

A quick glance at that document indicates its assertion and reliance on faith-based ignorance in the abstract paragraph.

It basically ignores the questions and says "nahhh.. god is good" using biblical quotes without addressing the problem of evil in any way.

Just like you and everyone else.


you read, critiqued, and dismissed every point in the linked article in 5 minutes?

lol, ok.

Q. Did God create evil?
A. https://www.gotquestions.org/did-God-create-evil.html

Q. Why does God allow evil?
A. https://www.gotquestions.org/God-allow-evil.html

Q. Did God create sin?
A. https://www.gotquestions.org/did-God-create-sin.html

Q. How can I believe in the goodness of God when there is so much evil in the world?
A. https://www.gotquestions.org/goodness-of-God.html

Q. Why does God create people when He knows they are going to go to hell?
A. https://www.gotquestions.org/God-create-doomed-people.html

Q. Does God make mistakes?
A. https://www.gotquestions.org/does-God-make-mistakes.html

This site will answer any questions you have about the Christian God.

I do not write fan fiction about the Christian God.

The Christian God has an entire book we can read and refer to.

You are making up stories that fit your personal beliefs (which are fine for you, but not necessarily accurate to Christianity nor are they pertinent to the beliefs of others) and asking Christians to explain Christianity and God to you…there is literally a site that lays everything out in black and white.


How are we to believe that everything on this site is accurate?


You are worried that this site is inaccurate, but are completely fine with taking the anonymous opinions of unidentified strangers posting here as advice and information?

Why do you trust the anonymous strangers here? You don’t know their names or backgrounds or educational history.

The people who maintain the linked site and their educational histories are documented on the website.
https://www.gotquestions.org/about.html

You should ask each poster here their name, religious beliefs, educational history, etc, if you are actually worried about the information they are posting.


Why would anyone care what a bunch of theologians say? They are simply regurgitating stories they have been told since they were a kid.

Very biased. Very full of crap.


So the experts are people with no education or experience in the field?

Anonymous strangers are the real experts in your opinion?


Non-religious pp said they did not care about the opinions of theologians and said nothing about anonymous strangers.


To me, it doesn't matter if sensible information comes from anonymous strangers or tomes of great knowledge. Since I was a child, I don't make up my mind based on what people say, but on what makes sense. Religious art and music can be beautiful and I cherish religion for that, but the claims of religion don't make sense, so I reject them.
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Anonymous wrote:Were Lenin and Stalin and Mao atheists? They killed a lot of their own people.


Is Donald Trump an atheist?

Do religious people care?


"I am Presbyterian. And I go to church and I love God and I love my church." -Trump


Says a liar.


A Christian liar.
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Anonymous wrote:BC they enjoy trolling and being insufferably annoying. Maybe that's their true religion.


sounds like it's yours.


No, I'm Catholic. Atheists can be very pita. On one hand they can be insecure that you get something out of your faith and then on the other pissed off that you don't agree with what is in their mind their superior atheist insights. Usually an insufferably annoying white male left-leaning know-it-all.


Atheism is primarily white males.

Atheists and agnostics are particularly likely to be non-Hispanic whites. Fully eight-in-ten atheists and agnostics (82%) are white, 3% are black, 6% are Hispanic, and the remainder is of some other race or of mixed race.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise-demographics/#:~:text=Atheists%20and%20agnostics%20are%20particularly%20likely%20to%20be%20non%2DHispanic,race%20or%20of%20mixed%20race

Atheists are 64% male, according to the same citation.

So white males are disparaging religious people, hmmmm. That’s certainly a vibe.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care what atheists think?

Same reason, just the opposite perspective.

I will note that not one atheist I know complains when a theist attempts to defend their position. They relish the chance to discuss it, in fact.

Wonder why that is?


When atheists represent God incorrectly (God gives babies cancer) is when I care.

If I posted that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan you would care, because it’s an obvious and disgusting lie.

Constantly posting that God gives babies cancer and allows them to suffer and dir because He is a cruel bastard is definitely on that level. It’s not true.


Who gives babies cancer, then?


In Christianity, disease is believed to be a result of sin and the fall of humanity.



So sinful babies get cancer. Got it.


Can you post the scripture you found in the Bible that supports your statement that “sinful babies get cancer?”

You just didn’t make that up? Right? You have a solid theological view from Christianity that supports your statement. Please share.


I am extrapolating from the response I got to my question “who gives babies cancer?” I think it’s bullshit that sin and cancer have anything to do with each other, but according to the PP, Christianity thinks otherwise. If you’ve got a problem with that, take it up with her, not me.


So you are making it up.


Hon. Everything about religion is made up. That’s why it’s called “faith” or “belief.” You don’t have to have faith or belief in things that can be scientifically proven.
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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care what atheists think?

Same reason, just the opposite perspective.

I will note that not one atheist I know complains when a theist attempts to defend their position. They relish the chance to discuss it, in fact.

Wonder why that is?


When atheists represent God incorrectly (God gives babies cancer) is when I care.

If I posted that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan you would care, because it’s an obvious and disgusting lie.

Constantly posting that God gives babies cancer and allows them to suffer and dir because He is a cruel bastard is definitely on that level. It’s not true.


Atheist here and I wouldn’t care. Maybe some atheists do? That doesn’t mean all do, and I know that I don’t.

I know who I am and what I believe. Words can’t hurt me, but they can teach me. I keep an open, critical mind. Maybe ask yourself why you feel defensive if someone criticizes your religion or the actions of people who share your religion? Or not. It’s your life.


Critical examination of religion is great.

Repeating that God gives babies cancer is not critical examination of religious beliefs.

Is stating that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan critical examination of atheism?


Do you think that atheists believe Satan exists?

Trying to follow the “logic” here…


Atheists are insisting that God gives babies cancer.

If atheists believe God gives babies cancer, why would they not believe in Satan?


Ummmm…

Atheists don’t believe that gods give babies cancer.

The point is that if you believe in an omnipotent god then that god does give babies cancer.


Citation?


Excuse you? Citations are for things that can be proven scientifically. The existence of god has never been proven and published in a peer-reviewed journal.
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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care what atheists think?

Same reason, just the opposite perspective.

I will note that not one atheist I know complains when a theist attempts to defend their position. They relish the chance to discuss it, in fact.

Wonder why that is?


When atheists represent God incorrectly (God gives babies cancer) is when I care.

If I posted that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan you would care, because it’s an obvious and disgusting lie.

Constantly posting that God gives babies cancer and allows them to suffer and dir because He is a cruel bastard is definitely on that level. It’s not true.


Who gives babies cancer, then?


In Christianity, disease is believed to be a result of sin and the fall of humanity.



So sinful babies get cancer. Got it.


Can you post the scripture you found in the Bible that supports your statement that “sinful babies get cancer?”

You just didn’t make that up? Right? You have a solid theological view from Christianity that supports your statement. Please share.


I am extrapolating from the response I got to my question “who gives babies cancer?” I think it’s bullshit that sin and cancer have anything to do with each other, but according to the PP, Christianity thinks otherwise. If you’ve got a problem with that, take it up with her, not me.


So you are making it up.


Hon. Everything about religion is made up. That’s why it’s called “faith” or “belief.” You don’t have to have faith or belief in things that can be scientifically proven.


Jesus was a real man who walked the earth. He’s not made up.

His apostles were real men.

Archeologists found evidence of King David.

Ancient artifact confirming King David's existence to be exhibited in the US

The world-famous Tel Dan Stele artifact will be on display in the U.S. for two months starting in a little more than two weeks.


The Tel Dan Stele dates back to 9th century B.C. and was discovered in the mid-1990's in Israel. It is archaeological proof of the existence of King David outside of the passages of The Bible. An inscription on the artifact is translated to "king of the House of David."
"The discovery of the stele caused an earthquake in the archaeological community," Brad Macdonald, curator of the Kingdom of David and Solomon Discovered Exibit, said in a statement. "It vanquished the common belief that King David was a fictional character and bolstered the credibility of the Bible as a valuable historical source. This is just one reason that it is one of the most important archaeological discoveries ever found."
The Tel Dan Stele is on loan from the Israel Museum.

https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/tel-dan-stele-us-display-19742149.php

So not everything about religion is “made up.”
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