Test optional over

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please tell me if I am reading this Valentine's Day letter from the US Department of Education correctly:

https://www.ed.gov/media/document/dear-colleague-letter-sffa-v-harvard-109506.pdf

Test-optional is over?

Also, it says the universities have 14 days to comply. How will this affect the current admissions cycle?

For selective schools, yes. Starting next year, it will be over.

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Anonymous wrote:Well it says IF a college uses test option IN ORDER TO achieve racial balance. But there are a lot of reasons to go test optional that have nothing to do with racial balance. Some colleges simply don’t believe they are strong indicators of a student’s ability.

These are not the games you want to play as an institution. Despite everyone claiming that practice schools don't need federal funding, recent weeks have shown that it is obvious that they do

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Extreme overreach in one direction invites extreme overreach in the other.

Colleges brought this on themselves.

When you get caught bluffing you don't double down you folks but last year's admissions stats show that several schools doubled down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well it says IF a college uses test option IN ORDER TO achieve racial balance. But there are a lot of reasons to go test optional that have nothing to do with racial balance. Some colleges simply don’t believe they are strong indicators of a student’s ability.

Nobody is going to risk that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they’re TO they haven’t eliminated standardized testing.

Play stupid games and you win stupid prizes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Extreme overreach in one direction invites extreme overreach in the other.

Colleges brought this on themselves.

When you get caught bluffing you don't double down you folks but last year's admissions stats show that several schools doubled down.

You dont know this. You assume so because the makeup is what you expected/wanted it to be. So you assume 'cheating'. Doesn't make it so. Change the inputs you get a different output. You have no idea what the inputs were so cant model an output.

[Anonymous]

Test Optional will continue for most colleges.

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I predict this sends some schools in the direction of the UCs. Why risk ever admitting someone with a lower score over a higher score? If you don’t think the score is the most important factor, best not to know anything about scores at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Will they get rid of legacy admissions as a proxy for selecting wealthy white students?

Well since the demographics attending college have changed significantly over the last 20 years, wouldn’t legacy benefit all races now? This isn’t the 1980s where legacy exclusively means wealthy Caucasian anymore.

I am very anti affirmative action but honestly legacy is just as bad, just not illegal (yet).

The racial distribution of legacies is overwhelmingly white. 70% of Harvard legacy students are white. Legacy is more predictive of race than questbridge or poverty.

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Anonymous wrote:Well it says IF a college uses test option IN ORDER TO achieve racial balance. But there are a lot of reasons to go test optional that have nothing to do with racial balance. Some colleges simply don’t believe they are strong indicators of a student’s ability.

Nobody is going to risk that.

It's not a risk. Socio-economic balance. Simple. Its well understood test scores correlate with wealth. TO for FGLI considerations. Done.

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Anonymous wrote:Brilliant.TO is another proxy for this by the way and should also be banned. No one in USA cant take an SAT these days. Shame on anyone applying to school TO but the essays are the worst.

I can see why the PP is opposed to essays. Clearly they didn't get ahead in life on the basis of sharp writing skills.

The PP is not opposed to essays - they are opposed to using essays as a proxy for racial information:

"For example, a school may not use students’ personal essays, writing samples, participation in extracurriculars, or other cues as a means of determining or predicting a student’s race and favoring or disfavoring such students."

High time. No more essays used to thinly disguise your race.

THANK YOU!!!!

Thank god. No more identity essays, no more tell us about your trauma, no more pressure to create yet another cultural club to showcase your ethic heritage. Can't get rid of it fast enough.

There was always something a little ick about asking minorities to bare their wounds to get the racial preference. And there was something even more ick about actually doing so.

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Anonymous wrote:Brilliant.TO is another proxy for this by the way and should also be banned. No one in USA cant take an SAT these days. Shame on anyone applying to school TO but the essays are the worst.

I can see why the PP is opposed to essays. Clearly they didn't get ahead in life on the basis of sharp writing skills.

The PP is not opposed to essays - they are opposed to using essays as a proxy for racial information:

"For example, a school may not use students’ personal essays, writing samples, participation in extracurriculars, or other cues as a means of determining or predicting a student’s race and favoring or disfavoring such students."

High time. No more essays used to thinly disguise your race.

THANK YOU!!!!

Thank god. No more identity essays, no more tell us about your trauma, no more pressure to create yet another cultural club to showcase your ethic heritage. Can't get rid of it fast enough.

The mediocre white and asian boys are upset.

Relax.

Why would they be upset?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Please tell me if I am reading this Valentine's Day letter from the US Department of Education correctly:

https://www.ed.gov/media/document/dear-colleague-letter-sffa-v-harvard-109506.pdf

Test-optional is over?

Also, it says the universities have 14 days to comply. How will this affect the current admissions cycle?

The Dept of Education probably won't exist in a year or so.

A nothingburger.

This function will be moved to the DOJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Will they get rid of legacy admissions as a proxy for selecting wealthy white students?

BOTH TO AND LEGACY SHOULD END

Not a protected class as it is not a proxy for race, gender, religion, or country of origin.

Legacy is a better predictor of race than poverty, or questbridge

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I honestly loathe Trump, but there's no question he's got it right on a few select fronts. And this is one of them.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.