Test optional over

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Anonymous wrote:Some LAC have been TO for many, many years and it is not to achieve a racial balance. I would imagine the administration would need to show that is the reason. In many (most?) cases, it is not.

This is not really true. Which LACs? Many went TO right around the time of the pandemic and when Harvard was sued and the outcome did not look good.

I personally know Smith. I think maybe Bowdoin. There were several more. My kid applied pre-pandemic and many had been TO for years. She did not go TO but I remember thinking it was interesting that the schools recognize that some students can be good students but not test well. My kid’s roommate was admitted TO before the pandemic.

[Anonymous]

I honestly loathe Trump, but there's no question he's got it right on a few select fronts. And this is one of them.

[Anonymous]

Applause. And yes, hopefully legacy admissions will also be a thing of the past. They already are at many schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I honestly loathe Trump, but there's no question he's got it right on a few select fronts. And this is one of them.

Ditto. Also, getting rid of the penny. Overdue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some LAC have been TO for many, many years and it is not to achieve a racial balance. I would imagine the administration would need to show that is the reason. In many (most?) cases, it is not.

This is not really true. Which LACs? Many went TO right around the time of the pandemic and when Harvard was sued and the outcome did not look good.

I personally know Smith. I think maybe Bowdoin. There were several more. My kid applied pre-pandemic and many had been TO for years. She did not go TO but I remember thinking it was interesting that the schools recognize that some students can be good students but not test well. My kid’s roommate was admitted TO before the pandemic.

According to this article, over 1000 colleges were TO in 2019: https://theconversation.com/how-going-back-to-the-sat-could-set-back-college-student-diversity-224233#:~:text=Prior%20to%20the%20COVID%2D19,%2Dyear%20for%2Dprofit%20schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brilliant.TO is another proxy for this by the way and should also be banned. No one in USA cant take an SAT these days. Shame on anyone applying to school TO but the essays are the worst.

I can see why the PP is opposed to essays. Clearly they didn't get ahead in life on the basis of sharp writing skills.

I'm willing to bet I've got quite a bit further than you. And I will make even more millions now that Trump has returned. How 'bout you?

Racial essays are illegal now folks, welcome to America.

Different poster. Your writing is atrocious and as is your reading comprehension.

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This is too bad. Creatives will be shut out of better colleges because many don’t process standardized tests well. One of mine tested high and another went TO. They both deserve a place at college, but the one kid isn’t inherently a better student than the other. The one who didn’t test well has more curiosity and is always leading interesting discussions on a myriad of topics.

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^^ oops - myriad topics

[Anonymous]

Colleges can still admit students with low test scores even if they submit them!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brilliant.TO is another proxy for this by the way and should also be banned. No one in USA cant take an SAT these days. Shame on anyone applying to school TO but the essays are the worst.

I can see why the PP is opposed to essays. Clearly they didn't get ahead in life on the basis of sharp writing skills.

The PP is not opposed to essays - they are opposed to using essays as a proxy for racial information:

"For example, a school may not use students’ personal essays, writing samples, participation in extracurriculars, or other cues as a means of determining or predicting a student’s race and favoring or disfavoring such students."

High time. No more essays used to thinly disguise your race.

The Supreme Court didn't ban citing one's race in college essays.

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Anonymous wrote:Will they get rid of legacy admissions as a proxy for selecting wealthy white students?

Well since the demographics attending college have changed significantly over the last 20 years, wouldn’t legacy benefit all races now? This isn’t the 1980s where legacy exclusively means wealthy Caucasian anymore.

Yep. At Stanford, for example, 40% legacy applicants are of color and 50% legacy admits are of color.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some LAC have been TO for many, many years and it is not to achieve a racial balance. I would imagine the administration would need to show that is the reason. In many (most?) cases, it is not.

This is not really true. Which LACs? Many went TO right around the time of the pandemic and when Harvard was sued and the outcome did not look good.

NP but it is absolutely true. Bowdoin has been TO since 1969 and Bates since the 80s. Wesleyan dropped tests in I think 2010 or somewhere near there. And that’s just off the top of my head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please tell me if I am reading this Valentine's Day letter from the US Department of Education correctly:

https://www.ed.gov/media/document/dear-colleague-letter-sffa-v-harvard-109506.pdf

Test-optional is over?

Also, it says the universities have 14 days to comply. How will this affect the current admissions cycle?

This is about TO as a proxy for race, which doesn’t mean tests will be reinstated as required.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colleges can still admit students with low test scores even if they submit them!

Exactly. It doesn't mean kids who aren't great test takers won't get into college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will they get rid of legacy admissions as a proxy for selecting wealthy white students?

Well since the demographics attending college have changed significantly over the last 20 years, wouldn’t legacy benefit all races now? This isn’t the 1980s where legacy exclusively means wealthy Caucasian anymore.

Yep. At Stanford, for example, 40% legacy applicants are of color and 50% legacy admits are of color.

They're Asian.