RTO EO is up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so I don’t have a “remote work arrangement.” Almost no one at my agency does. I telework 3 days a week. So I guess this EO is basically meaningless

Same here. What are they going go do, drag us in all 5 days?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so I don’t have a “remote work arrangement.” Almost no one at my agency does. I telework 3 days a week. So I guess this EO is basically meaningless

Same here. What are they going go do, drag us in all 5 days?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so I don’t have a “remote work arrangement.” Almost no one at my agency does. I telework 3 days a week. So I guess this EO is basically meaningless

Same here. What are they going go do, drag us in all 5 days?

You could just quit if you don’t like it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so I don’t have a “remote work arrangement.” Almost no one at my agency does. I telework 3 days a week. So I guess this EO is basically meaningless

Same here. What are they going go do, drag us in all 5 days?

You could just quit if you don’t like it.

Go away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This EO is so dumb. It’s almost too vague. OPM will have to issue guidance in order for agencies to implement otherwise there will be disparate ways in which this is interpreted. The only thing I’m hinging on in retaining even 1 day of TW is that this doesn’t seem to override the TW Act of 2010 but perhaps and agency head could decide to bypass it and abolish TW.

Yes. Department and agency heads will do what they want to do. What they will do depends on a lot of factors--allegiance to Trump, but also some have wanted to bring people back for a long time and the EO gives them a pretense, even if they are not Trump fans. Others will not make changes and EO allows for that.

Maybe, this EO is so lazily written that it just encourages filing a lawsuit rather than complying.

As much as I dislike this EO, there doesn't appear to be any overreach of executive authority. It literally says it must comply with existing laws.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of this is a fun circus to watch. I was worried when he was first elected but it has become clear nothing real will get done. All this nonsense makes Trump and his administration lose more credibility by the minute. Matt Gaetz! Feds are going in! TikTok can’t be banned!

Trump hasn’t even been President for 9 hours and you throw your hands up claiming nothing will get done? This is why you hold zero credibility.

Who talks like this? Is it translated from the original Russian?

[Anonymous]

The number of incoming reasonable accommodations is going to go up substantially. I may now put one in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of this is a fun circus to watch. I was worried when he was first elected but it has become clear nothing real will get done. All this nonsense makes Trump and his administration lose more credibility by the minute. Matt Gaetz! Feds are going in! TikTok can’t be banned!

Trump hasn’t even been President for 9 hours and you throw your hands up claiming nothing will get done? This is why you hold zero credibility.

Who talks like this? Is it translated from the original Russian?

Russian syntax would be like "by you there is credibility not."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so I don’t have a “remote work arrangement.” Almost no one at my agency does. I telework 3 days a week. So I guess this EO is basically meaningless

Same here. What are they going go do, drag us in all 5 days?

Are you for real? The toddler’s “you can’t make me” argument?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting they only addressed remote work vs telework. What is it like 10% of people are remote? Seems like a small group to go after vs targeting TW.

I think that depends how you parse it.

take all necessary steps to terminate remote work arrangements and require employees to return to work in-person at their respective duty stations on a full-time basis--meaning require those remote work employees to return in person

OR

take all necessary steps to terminate remote work arrangements --end full remote work
AND require [ALL] employees to return to work in-person at their respective duty stations on a full-time basis

Either way, the "as soon as practicable," "allow necessary exemptions," and "comply with applicable laws" leaves a lot of discretion.

This exactly. I love lawyers and the attention to language.

I’m pretty sure they mean for remote work arrangements to include partial telework agreements. It would not make sense for this to apply only to full time remote works and for only current full time remote workers to be required to be in the office five days a week and for everyone else to continue a two day a week telework agreement.

Lol well “pretty sure they mean” isn’t going to cut it. glad to see confirmation that DOGE and Trump are just as stupid and ineffectual as last time.

[Anonymous]

This is the initial wave of EOs. There is more to come in the next few weeks.

[Anonymous]

It’s not an EO. It’s a memo!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The number of incoming reasonable accommodations is going to go up substantially. I may now put one in.

You missed your window. Agencies have already started cracking down. HR used to go along with anything the manager wanted to agree to, but now they're questioning the need for the accomodations more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so I don’t have a “remote work arrangement.” Almost no one at my agency does. I telework 3 days a week. So I guess this EO is basically meaningless

Same here. What are they going go do, drag us in all 5 days?

Are you for real? The toddler’s “you can’t make me” argument?

There aren't enough desks at a lot of agencies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This EO is so dumb. It’s almost too vague. OPM will have to issue guidance in order for agencies to implement otherwise there will be disparate ways in which this is interpreted. The only thing I’m hinging on in retaining even 1 day of TW is that this doesn’t seem to override the TW Act of 2010 but perhaps and agency head could decide to bypass it and abolish TW.

Yes. Department and agency heads will do what they want to do. What they will do depends on a lot of factors--allegiance to Trump, but also some have wanted to bring people back for a long time and the EO gives them a pretense, even if they are not Trump fans. Others will not make changes and EO allows for that.

Maybe, this EO is so lazily written that it just encourages filing a lawsuit rather than complying.

As much as I dislike this EO, there doesn't appear to be any overreach of executive authority. It literally says it must comply with existing laws.

Presumably OPM will put out guidance, and then agencies will come up with policies. Not sure how fast that will happen.