Entry into Student run Clubs at Ivy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clubs that have zero applications at Harvard Business School: consulting, private equity, marketing, banking, real estate, family business…

Undergrads with zero work experience have no business filtering out who can be in these clubs. As someone in the industry I would scoff at a kid who tried or boasted about it.

Nothing in your comment makes much sense. I am sure if HBS has a private equity club, there are tons of students in it.

Not sure how work experience has anything to do with undergraduate clubs. BTW as “someone in the industry”…what industry?

These clubs at HBS all exist. They are all open to anyone who wants to join including non-student significant others. No one gets rejected. What a waste of time.

Multiple industries: consulting, banking, private equity. The industries are incestuous.

How long ago we talking here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clubs that have zero applications at Harvard Business School: consulting, private equity, marketing, banking, real estate, family business…

Undergrads with zero work experience have no business filtering out who can be in these clubs. As someone in the industry I would scoff at a kid who tried or boasted about it.

Nothing in your comment makes much sense. I am sure if HBS has a private equity club, there are tons of students in it.

Not sure how work experience has anything to do with undergraduate clubs. BTW as “someone in the industry”…what industry?

These clubs at HBS all exist. They are all open to anyone who wants to join including non-student significant others. No one gets rejected. What a waste of time.

Multiple industries: consulting, banking, private equity. The industries are incestuous.

HBS is not undergrad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clubs that have zero applications at Harvard Business School: consulting, private equity, marketing, banking, real estate, family business…

Undergrads with zero work experience have no business filtering out who can be in these clubs. As someone in the industry I would scoff at a kid who tried or boasted about it.

Nothing in your comment makes much sense. I am sure if HBS has a private equity club, there are tons of students in it.

Not sure how work experience has anything to do with undergraduate clubs. BTW as “someone in the industry”…what industry?

These clubs at HBS all exist. They are all open to anyone who wants to join including non-student significant others. No one gets rejected. What a waste of time.

Multiple industries: consulting, banking, private equity. The industries are incestuous.

If HBS’s consulting club can have 800 members, I don’t see why some undergraduate club needs to be exclusive. In terms of work experience, you need experience to know who’s a worthwhile hire. This is why all mba programs require work experience. No one without work experience is worth much. So a college junior bragged about running a consulting club that only accepted 50 out of 500 applicants, I would raise my eyebrow. That child doesn’t know a thing about consulting and is excluding possible talent already?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clubs that have zero applications at Harvard Business School: consulting, private equity, marketing, banking, real estate, family business…

Undergrads with zero work experience have no business filtering out who can be in these clubs. As someone in the industry I would scoff at a kid who tried or boasted about it.

Nothing in your comment makes much sense. I am sure if HBS has a private equity club, there are tons of students in it.

Not sure how work experience has anything to do with undergraduate clubs. BTW as “someone in the industry”…what industry?

These clubs at HBS all exist. They are all open to anyone who wants to join including non-student significant others. No one gets rejected. What a waste of time.

Multiple industries: consulting, banking, private equity. The industries are incestuous.

If HBS’s consulting club can have 800 members, I don’t see why some undergraduate club needs to be exclusive. In terms of work experience, you need experience to know who’s a worthwhile hire. This is why all mba programs require work experience. No one without work experience is worth much. So a college junior bragged about running a consulting club that only accepted 50 out of 500 applicants, I would raise my eyebrow. That child doesn’t know a thing about consulting and is excluding possible talent already?

Yet all those consulting firms hire undergrads, many who run these clubs.

You think people would continue to operate them this way if it wasn’t seeing a payoff?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clubs that have zero applications at Harvard Business School: consulting, private equity, marketing, banking, real estate, family business…

Undergrads with zero work experience have no business filtering out who can be in these clubs. As someone in the industry I would scoff at a kid who tried or boasted about it.

Nothing in your comment makes much sense. I am sure if HBS has a private equity club, there are tons of students in it.

Not sure how work experience has anything to do with undergraduate clubs. BTW as “someone in the industry”…what industry?

The young man who was the head of the consulting club at my son's non-Ivy a few years ago is now a first-year at HBS.

My husband and I are "in the industry" and the younger analysts ALL have clubs on their resumes like student-managed investment fund, consulting group, TAMID, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the university admission departments aren’t doing their job of identifying and admitting the best and the brightest, the kids have to do it themselves. This is the meritocracy at work. If your kid can’t cut it, there’s always government work.

Stfu. It's people like you with your crap attitude that discourage bright hardworking people from going into government service. We live in a capitalist society. Somebody has to clean up your externalities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the university admission departments aren’t doing their job of identifying and admitting the best and the brightest, the kids have to do it themselves. This is the meritocracy at work. If your kid can’t cut it, there’s always government work.

Stfu. It's people like you with your crap attitude that discourage bright hardworking people from going into government service. We live in a capitalist society. Somebody has to clean up your externalities.

Somebody has to put assh*ts like that in prison for securities fraud and insider trading.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC at Cornell just went through this. Essentially hazing with the business clubs that operate as frats and seek to embarrass applicants during the "interview" round by forcing them to tell jokes until they run out or making them solve impossible brain teasers. Most of these pre-professional clubs take 5-10 members out of 250 applicants.

Toxic, competitive and mean culture. Maybe that's why we end up with horrible Ivy people like Vance, Trump and DeSantis.

Ask around: work colleagues have current students at Michigan, Georgetown, UVA and Chicago have all complained about club application and audition culture and huge cuts from everything IB to A Capella to Journalism clubs. They also have many open clubs and the kids eventually figure it out and find something they like. This is not a problem exclusive to ivies, by any stretch. It is everywhere.

I am a Michigan MBA grad. I have enjoyed many an a capella concert there. There are quite a few different groups. The talent is amazing and the kids have all different majors. However, the ensembles are all of a certain size. It makes sense.

I was in high school choir and two years of college choir. I was cut before my third year because my musicality was not up to par. Sadly choir's a bit like sports.

[Anonymous]

I thought you were talking about eating clubs at Princeton OP. Some are bicker ( competitive+ others are not).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clubs that have zero applications at Harvard Business School: consulting, private equity, marketing, banking, real estate, family business…

Undergrads with zero work experience have no business filtering out who can be in these clubs. As someone in the industry I would scoff at a kid who tried or boasted about it.

Nothing in your comment makes much sense. I am sure if HBS has a private equity club, there are tons of students in it.

Not sure how work experience has anything to do with undergraduate clubs. BTW as “someone in the industry”…what industry?

The young man who was the head of the consulting club at my son's non-Ivy a few years ago is now a first-year at HBS.

My husband and I are "in the industry" and the younger analysts ALL have clubs on their resumes like student-managed investment fund, consulting group, TAMID, etc.

I don’t ding kids for being members of these clubs. I see them all the time too. Who knows which ones are exclusive. But if any kid bragged about creating exclusivity, I would ask questions that I’m sure would show sloppy thinking. They don’t have the experience to decide who makes a good future consultant, and I guarantee they would say something that would make me think not as highly of them as the less exclusive, more open and curious kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clubs that have zero applications at Harvard Business School: consulting, private equity, marketing, banking, real estate, family business…

Undergrads with zero work experience have no business filtering out who can be in these clubs. As someone in the industry I would scoff at a kid who tried or boasted about it.

Nothing in your comment makes much sense. I am sure if HBS has a private equity club, there are tons of students in it.

Not sure how work experience has anything to do with undergraduate clubs. BTW as “someone in the industry”…what industry?

These clubs at HBS all exist. They are all open to anyone who wants to join including non-student significant others. No one gets rejected. What a waste of time.

Multiple industries: consulting, banking, private equity. The industries are incestuous.

HBS is not undergrad

These things are even less important at the undergrad level.

it's basically just an expression of interest

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clubs that have zero applications at Harvard Business School: consulting, private equity, marketing, banking, real estate, family business…

Undergrads with zero work experience have no business filtering out who can be in these clubs. As someone in the industry I would scoff at a kid who tried or boasted about it.

Nothing in your comment makes much sense. I am sure if HBS has a private equity club, there are tons of students in it.

Not sure how work experience has anything to do with undergraduate clubs. BTW as “someone in the industry”…what industry?

These clubs at HBS all exist. They are all open to anyone who wants to join including non-student significant others. No one gets rejected. What a waste of time.

Multiple industries: consulting, banking, private equity. The industries are incestuous.

If HBS’s consulting club can have 800 members, I don’t see why some undergraduate club needs to be exclusive. In terms of work experience, you need experience to know who’s a worthwhile hire. This is why all mba programs require work experience. No one without work experience is worth much. So a college junior bragged about running a consulting club that only accepted 50 out of 500 applicants, I would raise my eyebrow. That child doesn’t know a thing about consulting and is excluding possible talent already?

Yet all those consulting firms hire undergrads, many who run these clubs.

You think people would continue to operate them this way if it wasn’t seeing a payoff?

Rejecting people is a reward in and of itself for some people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the university admission departments aren’t doing their job of identifying and admitting the best and the brightest, the kids have to do it themselves. This is the meritocracy at work. If your kid can’t cut it, there’s always government work.

Stfu. It's people like you with your crap attitude that discourage bright hardworking people from going into government service. We live in a capitalist society. Somebody has to clean up your externalities.

And some of us just don't want to die at our desk while our third wife is having dinner with her personal trainer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clubs that have zero applications at Harvard Business School: consulting, private equity, marketing, banking, real estate, family business…

Undergrads with zero work experience have no business filtering out who can be in these clubs. As someone in the industry I would scoff at a kid who tried or boasted about it.

Nothing in your comment makes much sense. I am sure if HBS has a private equity club, there are tons of students in it.

Not sure how work experience has anything to do with undergraduate clubs. BTW as “someone in the industry”…what industry?

The young man who was the head of the consulting club at my son's non-Ivy a few years ago is now a first-year at HBS.

My husband and I are "in the industry" and the younger analysts ALL have clubs on their resumes like student-managed investment fund, consulting group, TAMID, etc.

I don’t ding kids for being members of these clubs. I see them all the time too. Who knows which ones are exclusive. But if any kid bragged about creating exclusivity, I would ask questions that I’m sure would show sloppy thinking. They don’t have the experience to decide who makes a good future consultant, and I guarantee they would say something that would make me think not as highly of them as the less exclusive, more open and curious kid.

So...you can't unlearn what you are learning here...you now know all these clubs are exclusive (or at least that should be your default position).

So, how do you plan to interview and hire going forward?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC at Cornell just went through this. Essentially hazing with the business clubs that operate as frats and seek to embarrass applicants during the "interview" round by forcing them to tell jokes until they run out or making them solve impossible brain teasers. Most of these pre-professional clubs take 5-10 members out of 250 applicants.

Toxic, competitive and mean culture. Maybe that's why we end up with horrible Ivy people like Vance, Trump and DeSantis.

Vance went to Ohio State undergrad.

There are toxic people at every college.